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Are we expecting any of the youtube reviewers to have a preview video soon? Or do those come in a week right before the release?

I think sales for CSM is going to be through the roof. I know I will be spending more on CSM ths year than I have for years. And if others are like me, sales are going to be good. If sales for CSM are so good, it will be very tempting for GW to come out with a World eaters codex and such.

 Galef wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
None of the new models, so far has been demonstrated with a Emperor's children or world eaters colour scheme this gives me the impression they are only be included in this codex as a temporary thing, until GW gets around to giving them there own codex.

Don't get too excited. EC and WE schemes are often left off of generic CSM boxes. The previous CSM box didn't have any and the Termie box only had CS and BL

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I mean they have been showing off preview images of all the new models on warhammer community, not a single new model has been painted in either of those legions colours, I'm aware box art normally does omit the cult legions.

 Rydria wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
None of the new models, so far has been demonstrated with a Emperor's children or world eaters colour scheme this gives me the impression they are only be included in this codex as a temporary thing, until GW gets around to giving them there own codex.

Don't get too excited. EC and WE schemes are often left off of generic CSM boxes. The previous CSM box didn't have any and the Termie box only had CS and BL

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I mean they have been showing off preview images of all the new models on warhammer community, not a single new model has been painted in either of those legions colours, I'm aware box art normally does omit the cult legions.

GW hedging their bets for a future WE or EC army?

 Roknar wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
The Shadowspear CSM are more of an ETB kit, right? If so I imagine they'll be released separately down the road.

I don't see how. The csm kit is going to be released now and it doesn't seem to have an autocannon. They're not going to re-release those.
The only possibility would be havocs but then I find it weird they wouldn't show it in any of the pics as part of a havoc squad.

I assumed for awhile it was going to be in the Havoc box. But the fact we haven't actually seen a Havoc holding a Autocannon yet I'm starting to get worried also.

Dread Master wrote:
Lord Executioner is the weakest model of the release imo. Starting to doubt we are going to see updated Berzerkers.... possibly ever. Hope I’m wrong.

Why would they do new berzerkers for the main csm dex when they can release a separate world eaters book later with other kits as well?

Oh BoSL actully has the Havoc Sprue!

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Broken image

Uh... Latro_ posted the havoc sprues already. The Autocannon is there.

 Latro_ wrote:
sprue

Click on Latro_'s name in the quote box and it will take you to the original post.
Bottom right of the sprues.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
I think sales for CSM is going to be through the roof. I know I will be spending more on CSM ths year than I have for years. And if others are like me, sales are going to be good. If sales for CSM are so good, it will be very tempting for GW to come out with a World eaters codex and such.

I might buy the disciples and MAAAYYBE the Lord Executioner. The rest... eh. If someday an EC or WE book happens, I might care enough to buy some of the vanilla stuff, like havocs, if whichever of those legions doesn't end up with better gun options. [Quite likely they won't because GW is bizarrely shortsighted and narrow of vision in regards to what a chaos god can have (in complete opposition to the actual fluff), but just in case]. And thats if one of those actually tickle my fancy.

Okay, I kinda wanna just kitbash the Havocs with the regular kit...

...but I also want another Kill Team...

This thread kinda moves fast sometimes and I didn't realize it was already posted. Dose one of the sprues get repeated? Because I noticed their only seems top be 3 bodies?

I wonder if we will get a real box of oblits eventually. that's why I hate these easy to build box. some of the minis never get real kits and we're stuck with using the same duplicate models over and over again

 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder if we will get a real box of oblits eventually. that's why I hate these easy to build box. some of the minis never get real kits and we're stuck with using the same duplicate models over and over again

I don't think the Oblits are easy-to-build, are they?

Keep in mind several other kits are not, but still pretty close to monopose, The beast of nurgle and the fleshhounds both come to mind. The former can swap an arm out, and has a couple headswap options but that's it. The hounds are always the same five dogs.

Talking to some guys at my GW store they seemed doubtful that we'd get a separate Oblits kit. They might come out as their own 'Easy to Build' kit like the Myphitic Blight Hauler.

I'd be super upset if that was the case. They're such big models that after you get your second box of Shadowspear they're going to look very same-y... Might go back to converting Terminators instead if that's the case, tbh. :/

But, we're just now getting the first wave, GW hasn't really shown off everything yet, and we still have two more days for them to do the Emperor's Children and Alpha Legion focuses.

Black Legion teased the Terminators
Word Bearers showed off the Dark Apostle
World Eaters revealed the Master of Executions

It's possible that more is coming. They were trying to build hype for the Emperor's Children focus in particular in other articles for some reason, so we'll see what happens.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder if we will get a real box of oblits eventually. that's why I hate these easy to build box. some of the minis never get real kits and we're stuck with using the same duplicate models over and over again

Monopose =\= Easy to Build. The fact that I needed a vice-like grip to build one JUST NOW is proof of that.

That said, it WOULD be nice to see a multi-part kit.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder if we will get a real box of oblits eventually. that's why I hate these easy to build box. some of the minis never get real kits and we're stuck with using the same duplicate models over and over again

Mutilators have always been "close combat oblits" since they were introduced. If they are making Plastic Oblits I see no reason GW would not to make it a duel kit with Mutilators. So I don't see them going the Easy to build route.

So what are we looking at in terms of pricing?

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
So what are we looking at in terms of pricing?

Well. GW priceing is bracketed to you usually can figure it out but looking at similar things that are the same price bracket in NZ dollars and then looking up what they are in you local currency.

The nz price for CSM is $115 and the NZ price for SM tacticals are $75. Primaris Intercessors are $115.

Abadon is $124 and Roboute Guilliman is $124

Noctilith Crown is $99 and Sector Mechanicus Alchomite Stack/Ferratonic Furnace are $99.

So, let's enjoy a bit of scheming.

New "Start Collecting" box for CSM - go!

Abaddon and Chaos Marines will both be $60usd. The noctolith shrine will be as well iirc.

 Elbows wrote:
So, let's enjoy a bit of scheming.

New "Start Collecting" box for CSM - go!

Chaos Lord
Helbrute
New CSM

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
So, let's enjoy a bit of scheming.

New "Start Collecting" box for CSM - go!

Chaos Lord
Helbrute
New CSM

The two most common layouts are:

Mono-Pose HQ, 10 Troops, and a "big" thing.
OR
Big HQ, 10 Troops, and a small Elite unit.

I couldn't see them putting in the multipart Terminator Lord. The new master of executions feels like it makes more sense for a start collecting. They favour Heros you may take in multiples in the Start Collectings over a "centerpiece" hero.

Of note don't they usely wait like 6+ months before releasing a Start Collecting for a updated army?

I'd wager that the Master of Executions is going to be an Elite choice, like the Greater Possessed.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Are we expecting any of the youtube reviewers to have a preview video soon? Or do those come in a week right before the release?

The Youtubers usually get their videos up the day it goes on pre-order, so tomorrow.

I would expect Shadowspear to be discontinued eventually and the contents to be split into Start Collecting Primaris Scouts and Start Collecting Chaos Bois. Get rid of 1-2 primaris heroes and swap floating Chaos Sorcerer with Chaos Lord from Blackstone Fortress.

hmm ok so, the new start collecting box..

1 squad of CSMs.
1 Dark Apostle
1 squad of Chaos Terminators


this is a pretty solid set up, one that will show off the new kits, and really gives a solid foundation to a CSM list.



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jullevi wrote:
I would expect Shadowspear to be discontinued eventually and the contents to be split into Start Collecting Primaris Scouts and Start Collecting Chaos Bois. Get rid of 1-2 primaris heroes and swap floating Chaos Sorcerer with Chaos Lord from Blackstone Fortress.

I dunno, that'd be a pretty big starter set. more likely you'd see them use the stuff from "Know no fear" which would be 5 intercessors, 3 inceptors, 1 gravis captain, and then whatever the death guard have in it

BrianDavion wrote:
hmm ok so, the new start collecting box..

1 squad of CSMs.
1 Dark Apostle
1 squad of Chaos Terminators


this is a pretty solid set up, one that will show off the new kits, and really gives a solid foundation to a CSM list.



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jullevi wrote:
I would expect Shadowspear to be discontinued eventually and the contents to be split into Start Collecting Primaris Scouts and Start Collecting Chaos Bois. Get rid of 1-2 primaris heroes and swap floating Chaos Sorcerer with Chaos Lord from Blackstone Fortress.

I dunno, that'd be a pretty big starter set. more likely you'd see them use the stuff from "Know no fear" which would be 5 intercessors, 3 inceptors, 1 gravis captain, and then whatever the death guard have in it

I doubt a squad of terminators and the new csm, that doesnt boost anythings sales.

My guess is a squad of csm, a helbrute, and the lord from blackstone fortress.

It's not going to be the Blackstone Fortress lord, that's a specific dude with specific rules.

Dark Apostle seems like the obvious choice to me, though there are definitely other choices available to them.

Chaos stuff is brilliant, my main 40k army without doubt is my crimson fists and first and foremost want to get the vanguard marines added to them even though they won't see much use yet.

The chaos stuff in shadow spear will definitely be the start of my alternate army though, not going to go crazy but will gradually build them up. Think I'll pick up vigilus next month as my hobby buy and leave the rest for now as I just spent 90 quid on shadow spear and some inceptors for my CF!

BrianDavion wrote:
hmm ok so, the new start collecting box..

1 squad of CSMs.
1 Dark Apostle
1 squad of Chaos Terminators


this is a pretty solid set up, one that will show off the new kits, and really gives a solid foundation to a CSM list.



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jullevi wrote:
I would expect Shadowspear to be discontinued eventually and the contents to be split into Start Collecting Primaris Scouts and Start Collecting Chaos Bois. Get rid of 1-2 primaris heroes and swap floating Chaos Sorcerer with Chaos Lord from Blackstone Fortress.

I dunno, that'd be a pretty big starter set. more likely you'd see them use the stuff from "Know no fear" which would be 5 intercessors, 3 inceptors, 1 gravis captain, and then whatever the death guard have in it

A new getting started with that list of models would be awesome; most of the new stuff I want with a heavy discount. Which is why it’s unlikely to happen, at least for 6-months or so; they’re not going to want to undercut sales of the new kits like that.