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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

So your point… is that repentia… look like they train for their job, and are similar to real life women, hence don't look like women?

No, it is that they are dressed like women in their exercise clothes. It's too contemporary looking and it really takes away from the gothic feel of the Sisters of Battle. It'd be like if a Space Marine was wearing a t-shirt and cut-offs. Oh, look, the Space Marine looks like a real life man - but he's in fething cut-offs. Who cares if he looks like a real life man if he looks stupid? These Repentia models are wearing tennis shoes and in either their exercise clothes or their pajamas. Those big swords may as well be hedge trimmers for all of the suburban feel they have. I don't want my models to be practical and realistic. I want the models to exude theme and style. If I'm going to play 40k, I want gothic grimdark, not LEGO Friends.

"So your point is..." - No. That's not not my point. Don't put words in my mouth in an attempt to make me out to be a misogynist. This has nothing to do with the "women" part of the equation and everything to do with them being lazy models in ugly outfits that have all of the charm of a strip mall parking lot.

GW does some amazing female models. I thought the Daughters of Khaine update was brilliant, and what they've done with the Sylvaneth is beyond cool. The female Stormcasts and some of the Warcry characters, I also love. When you compare those models to the Druhkari or the scant other female models they had before that, they are a huge improvement in every way. I think they know the SoB will have a lot of eyes outside of their regular fans (similar to Slaanesh), so they've decided to play it bland/safe when they should really be going the extra mile to blow us away. Safe GW is terrible, every time. GW really excels when they are surprising, weird, and a little bit dangerous.

If Sisters have plug ports on their heads like these repentia, how do they not get their hair caught up in them all the time?

Sees several pages of complaint

"Wow, these must be awful"

Scrolls back. Sees lunatics with forehead brands, knives rammed though legs and going into battle blindfold.

Sigh. Never change, dakka....

(Also, like the interface plugs. Really makes it seem like their armour is permanent in combat, rather than something with an MIU you can take off when you feel like it)

A friend just said there like beige given miniature form, which seems about right.

They look like the perfect example of design by committee there repentia after they have been de40ked.
I mean even the ritual nails etc look more safe,sane and consensual than grimdark, except the fleur de lobotomy that jut looks gak.

I quite like them myself: good poses, nicely muscled without being over the top, cool faces... also, remember these are renders, so details are exaggerated: these will look different when ported to plastics.

The robes I'm less enthused with. Not horrible, just... kinda there. I would have preferred something along the lines of Blanche's, but well, it doesn't bother me that much.

I also see really great potential for cross conversion between these gals and the Eschers sprue.

If they are not stupid expensive I see myself buying some, which is something I won't ever say of the older ones.

SeanDrake wrote:
A friend just said there like beige given miniature form, which seems about right.

They look like the perfect example of design by committee there repentia after they have been de40ked.
I mean even the ritual nails etc look more safe,sane and consensual than grimdark, except the fleur de lobotomy that jut looks gak.

Do you know how how it comes across when you choose to describe a plastic model as "consensual"?

I do like the fact that they wear what clearly looks like basic clothes a sister might wear when out of power armor, not some weird bandage bikini that implied they spend more time worrying about looking good than killing enemies of the emperor.

 Graphite wrote:
Sees several pages of complaint

"Wow, these must be awful"

Scrolls back. Sees lunatics with forehead brands, knives rammed though legs and going into battle blindfold.

Sigh. Never change, dakka....

Not sure which thread you were looking at, because there's been a much praise as criticism in this one. Some people like them, some don't. If you do, good for you.

Why is everyone saying they are wearing fitness clothes? In some of the pics, it looks like they are either wearing minidresses or miniskirts.

Would've preferred it if they were wearing a full robe though...

 parakuribo wrote:
Why is everyone saying they are wearing fitness clothes? In some of the pics, it looks like they are either wearing minidresses or miniskirts.

Would've preferred it if they were wearing a full robe though...

Part of the issue is that these are renders not models nor painted models and that influences how some people interpret the designs and appearance.

 Sqorgar wrote:
No, it is that they are dressed like women in their exercise clothes.

Well, it wasn't easy to gues, because you were quoting Melissia, who obviously was talking about their build and frame, not their clothes.

 Sqorgar wrote:
"So your point is..." - No. That's not not my point. Don't put words in my mouth in an attempt to make me out to be a misogynist.

That was a question, ending with an interrogation mark, that gave you the opportunity to clarify what you meant. Because I'm pretty sure I wasn't the only one who misunderstood your point.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I think they know the SoB will have a lot of eyes outside of their regular fans (similar to Slaanesh), so they've decided to play it bland/safe when they should really be going the extra mile to blow us away.

I don't think a lot of eye outside of regular GW fans are looking at Sisters of Battle, to be honest.
But yeah, I agree that they could have gone more over the top, especially on the clothing. Still a massive improvement compared to the old ones, and a great base to build upon.

Well they're muscular, but still not as muscular as Alarielle the Russian Bodybuilder queen, who is a stick figure in old WHFB. And I know lots of people love that model

 Overread wrote:

 parakuribo wrote:
Why is everyone saying they are wearing fitness clothes? In some of the pics, it looks like they are either wearing minidresses or miniskirts.

Would've preferred it if they were wearing a full robe though...

Part of the issue is that these are renders not models nor painted models and that influences how some people interpret the designs and appearance.

I couldn’t tell anything apart when I first saw the renders. They were just vaguely human shaped grey blobs.

 xttz wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
A friend just said there like beige given miniature form, which seems about right.

They look like the perfect example of design by committee there repentia after they have been de40ked.
I mean even the ritual nails etc look more safe,sane and consensual than grimdark, except the fleur de lobotomy that jut looks gak.

Do you know how how it comes across when you choose to describe a plastic model as "consensual"?

Do you know what the word consensual means? It's not just a sex thing. What Sister who would choose to be a repentia in the sense that they WANT to do it? No Sister wakes up in the morning and thinks "I really feel like I want to be stripped of my humanity, dignity and agency today." Being a repentia is something they feel they HAVE to do because they feel that they have failed or transgressed their faith and need to make amends in the eyes of the Emperor.

Sure, some Sisters CHOOSE to become repentia but thats because their devotion is so strong that they join the repentia due to their own self-perceived failings and they feel like the only way to alleviate their guilt (self-percieved or otherwise) is to repent. Unless you think Sisters consent to failing or self-self-perceived notions of failure?

And again this is another reason I think these models aren't great. I don't get any sense of repentance or, possibly more importantly, despair from them. Repentia are sisters at their lowest and I don't get that from these models. I agree with the people who say they're sanitised, its a good way to describe them. Maybe they'll look better when they're painted and stuff like blood from the eye bandages and stuff can be added.

Also I can't see how anyone can defend the shoes. They're throwing themselves to their death but their main concern is sensible footwear? Bare feet would actually go a long way towards fixing the models. Giving them shoes humanizes and civilizes them to which are both things they're supposed to have given up when they became repentia.

I'm slightly baffled why you think throwing themselves to the death means you'd go barefoot on a 40k battlefield full of shrapnel. That means you're less likely to get to actually hit the enemies of the Emperor before injuring your foot too much to run tbh.

I don't really see the gym gear here. They're wearing undersmocks, like... real nuns do?

The footwear seems like a weird hill to die on, one way or another.

 The Phazer wrote:
That means you're less likely to get to actually hit the enemies of the Emperor before injuring your foot too much to run tbh.

To be fair, not wearing armor also means you are less likely to actually hit the enemies of the Emperor before being injured too much. And blinding yourself also doesn't help to actually hit the enemies of the emperor. And... well, being a repentia generally makes you less likely to actually hit the enemies of the emperor, and more likely to die, in general, because of so many small reasons.

Wow, lots of sexism and toxic masculinity here. Obviously, these are very well sculpted models, even some might not appreciate the design choices. Come on, it's 2019, there's no way the mainstream number 1 in tabletop gaming can release a bunch of naked degraded women with fantasy sexualised body types. Things change, and that's a good thing.

The response from all female wargamers and painters I've read so far were all pretty positive and thankful that the models aren't just "breasts and swords". Keep your imagination to adult magazines

To be honest, I understand people not liking these renders. To me, it feels indeed there's less "grimdark" in them. But then maybe if we add more seals, scrolls and skulls to cover the main base, it would be better ? We still don't know what will be on the sprue, after all.

I like their build, they're muscular women indeed and you can feel you don't want to face them in a brawl. They also look clearly feminine and you can feel their anger from their faces. I think some are better showing their status than others.

The implants on their skin is a first on sisters, but that's okay. I admit I saw them first instead of the scars and knifes stuck in their flesh.

Their main clothes is certainly the less liked part so far. It feels bland. I understand why it should be, but that's the part I feel has the less "grimdark". Because it's bland, you don't get that "40k" over the top feeling. There aren't enough skulls, scrolls, seals, reminder of a dystopia future where they think technology is mystical. Cover them with more of those and I believe the feeling will be a lot more different.

Something like this, for example :



EDIT : on another thought, I have another feeling from the renders...they look like what could be space marine women without their armor. Maybe the strong dislike is also coming from that feeling ?

 The Phazer wrote:
I'm slightly baffled why you think throwing themselves to the death means you'd go barefoot on a 40k battlefield full of shrapnel. That means you're less likely to get to actually hit the enemies of the Emperor before injuring your foot too much to run tbh.

I don't really see the gym gear here. They're wearing undersmocks, like... real nuns do?

I literally explained my issues with the footwear in the last paragraph. You're allowed to make concessions on logic and realism in order to artistically convey a concept via symbolism.

Also, if you're a branded, pierced, blinded zealot getting a cut on your foot is the least of your worries.

So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

Sometimes I think the impression and interpretation of grim-dark is so extreme in some peoples imagination that no model could ever faithfully represent it.

Also for those talking about the pose not looking repentant enough I think they are forgetting that these are warriors going to war and that for them to repent is to give themselves fully into battle for their God. So it makes sense that they have a more powerful and aggressive stance. These aren't like the half undressed raving maniacs that might appear in Old World in droves to fight for Sigmar; these are warriors trained to the highest level who have failed and fallen from grace who seek to redeem themselves through battle. Because of that they are going to be more powerfully built, better fed, better trained and more warrior-like. They might be stripped of their armour, but not their training

 xttz wrote:
Do you know how how it comes across when you choose to describe a plastic model as "consensual"?

SSC is a common turn of phrase in... other hobbies. It's a reasonable connection honestly.

I'm somewhat surprised by the hate on these models, even from dakka. The arms, heads and legs can clearly be swapped around, each model has at least 3 purity seals, they're significantly more scarred and grizzled than the old models, they actually look like they have enough musculature to lift their weapons and the poses are significantly more dynamic. Fair enough if you dislike the sculpts, but some of the complaints are so bizarre: they don't look like women (they really do), they have to many muscles (they aren't even as muscled as half the women at my gym), they're not wounded enough (they're substantially more wounded than the old models, every single one has multiple scars and at least on other disfiguration), etc. If you're gonna be disingenuous about wanting them to be in a greater stage of undress, just say that instead of throwing out flimsy excuses which are visibly untrue; you'll look dumb, but you'll at least look dumb and have a shred of integrity instead of merely the former.

 Overread wrote:
So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

Sometimes I think the impression and interpretation of grim-dark is so extreme in some peoples imagination that no model could ever faithfully represent it.

Also for those talking about the pose not looking repentant enough I think they are forgetting that these are warriors going to war and that for them to repent is to give themselves fully into battle for their God. So it makes sense that they have a more powerful and aggressive stance. These aren't like the half undressed raving maniacs that might appear in Old World in droves to fight for Sigmar; these are warriors trained to the highest level who have failed and fallen from grace who seek to redeem themselves through battle. Because of that they are going to be more powerfully built, better fed, better trained and more warrior-like. They might be stripped of their armour, but not their training

I think it is this picture that is the main culprit :



It gave such a strong feeling in the minds of people that they are expecting nothing less than this for repentia sisters - even though the miniatures were never that crazy (they always had shoes, after all).

It comes back often in the arguments. That's why people got to see repentia as half-naked crazed women likely to die from their self bad treatment than from the enemies themselves.

You have other pictures on the internet for Repentia sisters, fan made, that are quite more NSFW most of the time. It also doesn't help when you see the difference between these pictures and the renders.

 Overread wrote:
So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

Honestly was expecting wraps or bare feet personally, like I said earlier, they're a bit more practical than I expected, which isn't a horrible thing. They look like penitents in sackcloth with some basic military considerations... so I'd say they've more or less hit the mark, just not the one I was expecting. I was expecting a more frothing at the mouth look, got determined instead. Guessing the arco flagellants will do the frothing if they're re done.

That said, if they make the exorcist practical they'll be breaking my heart.

 Sarouan wrote:
To be honest, I understand people not liking these renders.

If I were to list a few -
-Shoulders are badly fitting
-Repentia look fresh from the gym and could to with being more tattered, starved, and feral
-Gym shorts, not robes
-Gym shoes, not boots or bare footed
-Scrolls are too stiff with little suggestion of motion/rotation compared to the poses
-No chains around the wrists, or chains/cords/robe in general. The clothing is very clean and sterile in appearance and don't give any sense of movement
-Rectangular bodyshape due to belts/posture
-Only one hood. I know some people like the branded heads but they aren't for me - it looks like they were punched in the face by a marine with a fluer-shaped knuckle

I could go either way on the plugs, though i'm leaning towards them being too distinctively 'black carapace/marine'.

 Overread wrote:
So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

I like this strawman. I think I've seen maybe one person say they liked the old models?

Although I can feel they miss the mark of some of the excellent artwork, they are still amazing miniatures with both realistic proportions/muscles and good fighting poses.
GW obviously went in a direction not everybody likes (I love the Vasques-post) - but the execution of that choice is flawless.

They will become important assets in my Inq28 warbands.

 stahly wrote:
Wow, lots of sexism and toxic masculinity here. Obviously, these are very well sculpted models, even some might not appreciate the design choices. Come on, it's 2019, there's no way the mainstream number 1 in tabletop gaming can release a bunch of naked degraded women with fantasy sexualised body types. Things change, and that's a good thing.

The response from all female wargamers and painters I've read so far were all pretty positive and thankful that the models aren't just "breasts and swords". Keep your imagination to adult magazines

Which thread are you reading? The vast majority of people who have issues with these models have listed reasons that are nothing whatsoever to do with them not having boobs on display.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Overread wrote:
So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

I like this strawman. I think I've seen maybe one person say they liked the old models?

Feh. That's because the topic isn't about who liked the old models. There are more people than this who liked them. I liked them, had 30 of those in my old metal army. But then Wargame Exclusive came and I admit I took those instead.

For sure, these renders give a far more different vision of repentias. I don't dislike that, but it will take some time for me to get used to them.