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 Overread wrote:
These aren't like the half undressed raving maniacs that might appear in Old World in droves to fight for Sigmar; these are warriors trained to the highest level who have failed and fallen from grace who seek to redeem themselves through battle.

In old word terms, those aren't flagellant, they are slayers. And slayers are indeed pretty buff.

A.T. wrote:
-No chains around the wrists, or chains/cords/robe in general.

Plenty of locks though.

A.T. wrote:
-Only one hood.

Remember what they said about the helmets for basic Sisters. Enough bitz for full helmet or full helmetless. So keep faith!!!

Great Repentia in my oppinion. Better than I could have hoped given the concept.
I admit the shoes are a bit weird, but all in all I like the more realistic proportions GW is going for these days.

And Im sure there are plenty of alternative sculpts on the internet for those who prefer.

Well... Those are really ugly models. No idea what they were thinking, they have changed the previous design a bit too much, in my opinion.

And I think they look too much like men, and they don't look like belonging to 40k... Almost all female figures by GW have the same problem, they don't look like women in many cases, it seems like they choose to make miniature females awful, when other of their models are brilliant.

Fortunately we have brands like Raging Heroes, Artel W, Wargame Exclusive, etc... that have enough good looking proxies in case someone dislike a certain unit or model.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Overread wrote:
So we don't like authentic casual like shoes but platform high heels are fine?

I like this strawman. I think I've seen maybe one person say they liked the old models?

Feh. That's because the topic isn't about who liked the old models. There are more people than this who liked them. I liked them, had 30 of those in my old metal army. But then Wargame Exclusive came and I admit I took those instead.

For sure, these renders give a far more different vision of repentias. I don't dislike that, but it will take some time for me to get used to them.

But the assumption that because people dislike these models so they MUST like everything about the old model or we wanted nudey bondage ladies is a strawman and not at all reflective of most peoples actual issues with the models.

I don't like them. to the people saying "they are better sculpts than the old ones" id just like to say i would hope so, considering my searches for the original Repentia dated them to 2004. if that is indeed true, 15ish years should indeed mean something on general model quality.

I'm not sure precisely what is wrong with them to me, but the thoughts "boring" and "not religious enough" do come to mind. maybe it's the plugs throwing me off when I expected more built-in scars (incidentally, wheres the mistress of repentence? they had a solid parallel to flagellants in that as well as dwarven slayers in general- thus maybe why im expecting the scars, guess another do-it-yourself...). maybe it's the clothing I still can't quite even figure when looking at the render. heck, as much as i hate to say this i almost wish they gave them fuller, if tattered robes, Even if that goes against the ceremony to become a Repentia. in the end the only picture i liked was the fourth one due to the extra head bits, detracted by the bionic arm.

Evicerator-sized swing and a miss for me. can't say i favored the old ones very much either especially in game,but im not replacing them with these.

Melissia wrote:As an aside, I'm surprised so few have referenced the Blanche concept art for Repentia given how much people say they love his artwork and influence on the setting.

Spoiler:

Then again, GW itself has never used that concept art for Repentia.

Taarnak wrote:That was art made for the Inquisitor 54mm game, right?

I don't know if the art was made specifically for Inquisitor, but is was directly translated into an Inquisitor miniature, namely this one:


IIRC the character profile which accompanied the miniature described the repentia as Battle Sisters who had been exiled from their order for being dogmatically inadequate, but whose (relatively) free-thinking nature made them excellent agents for less puritanical inquisitors. I think that this Inquisitor character may have predated the Witch Hunters codex and the Reprentia as we now know them.

Melissia wrote:Then again, GW itself has never used that concept art for Repentia.

Citadel Journal #49, page 28. 2002.

The image comes from the Inquisitor sketchbook (2001) and was later used for the first generation of repentia rules, along with a conversion guide using an escher model.

 Sim-Life wrote:


But the assumption that because people dislike these models so they MUST like everything about the old model or we wanted nudey bondage ladies is a strawman and not at all reflective of most peoples actual issues with the models.

If there is such an assumption, it is indeed a bad one. But I don't think that was the point here. The point is the only models we had so far are the metal ones, and the metal ones were never as crazy as they were pictured on some of the GW official drawings.

The drawings are the main reason people think Repentias should be half naked crazed women with no shoe. The miniatures were never that far that way.

 Warpspy wrote:
And I think they look too much like men
[...]
Fortunately we have brands like Raging Heroes

Well I guess the average woman look too much like a man, and only the most spine-bended top models look like women enough or something?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Warpspy wrote:
And I think they look too much like men
[...]
Fortunately we have brands like Raging Heroes

Well I guess the average woman look too much like a man, and only the most spine-bended top models look like women enough or something?

Unfortunately, for decades heroic' scaling meant female models with tiny waists, giant boobs, and no visible muscles.

Heroic scaling is always going to be something of a caricature, but the trick for manufacturers is finding a new direction that isn't insulting or embarrassing.

Raging Heroes clearly choose to stick to the 'traditional' path, while GW are clearly trying to find a better visual... And honestly, I think they've nailed it, and I suspect that those few peope claiming these don't look 'female enough' are just having trouble getting out of that traditional heroic scale mindset.

For all that I don't like the fashion choice, these models are, for me, a perfect 'heroic' female warrior style.

so for what they're wearing, obviously opinions will differ but my reading is it's supposed to be a simple 1 piece tunic not too dissimiler from this


and honestly, thats about what I'd imagine a pentinent wearing, nothing fancy. not some weird torture gear, just humble cheap clothing. the type of thing they proably wore as young girls in the schola.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


But the assumption that because people dislike these models so they MUST like everything about the old model or we wanted nudey bondage ladies is a strawman and not at all reflective of most peoples actual issues with the models.

If there is such an assumption, it is indeed a bad one. But I don't think that was the point here. The point is the only models we had so far are the metal ones, and the metal ones were never as crazy as they were pictured on some of the GW official drawings.

The drawings are the main reason people think Repentias should be half naked crazed women with no shoe. The miniatures were never that far that way.

What's wrong with expecting new models to look like the official art thats been in use for nearly 20 years?

Too sci-fi, not enough masochistic gothic fanaticism. I could handle the clothing choice if the rest of the design was good, but between then ugly and nonsensical power armor interface ports and lack of anything that really says “self inflicted punishment”, these just don’t look good. They look like the crew of a spaceship from a generic sci-fi series, who are angry that they got woken up from their cryo/stasis sleep too soon.

At least we’ll get nice plastic two handed chainsword bits to use for INQ28/Necromunda conversions.

BrianDavion wrote:
so for what they're wearing, obviously opinions will differ but my reading is it's supposed to be a simple 1 piece tunic not too dissimiler from this


and honestly, thats about what I'd imagine a pentinent wearing, nothing fancy. not some weird torture gear, just humble cheap clothing. the type of thing they proably wore as young girls in the schola.

I'm pretty sure a big part of the repentia ritual is the symbolic shredding and wearing of their habits.

 Casbyness wrote:
About the Matrix style "ports" in the skin. Here's my issue with those:

Sisters wear habits under their power armour. Robes long enough that the sleeves and bottoms fall out of said armour to a significant degree.

Are we now saying those robes have multiple holes punched through them, so the sister's body can interface directly with the armour? Really?

Try sticking something to your forearm and upper arm, then making holes in a top so that they accommodate the objects that are stuck in place, when your arm is outstretched. Now try bending your arm at the shoulder or elbow, and see what happens to the clothing.

Now imagine you have the same issue of the robe being tugged and ripped every which way, each time you twist your body or bend your spine.

Now imagine you're a Seraphim, jumping flying and bouncing all over the battlefield, wearing power armour locked directly to your body in fixed locations, like a Space Marine, but with an intervening robe chafing constantly in-between.

The ports are complete nonsense.

Good lord. You're right. That IS unrealistic.

They've really jumped the shark with these futuristic space nun warriors.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


But the assumption that because people dislike these models so they MUST like everything about the old model or we wanted nudey bondage ladies is a strawman and not at all reflective of most peoples actual issues with the models.

If there is such an assumption, it is indeed a bad one. But I don't think that was the point here. The point is the only models we had so far are the metal ones, and the metal ones were never as crazy as they were pictured on some of the GW official drawings.

The drawings are the main reason people think Repentias should be half naked crazed women with no shoe. The miniatures were never that far that way.

What's wrong with expecting new models to look like the official art thats been in use for nearly 20 years?

well when people have been saying "this'll proably get changed as it comes off as kinda sexist now adays" for the past 15....

 zend wrote:
lack of anything that really says “self inflicted punishment”

Are we even looking at the same renders?

Spikes inserted in to flesh. Massive, painfully deep brandings. A metal ring around a thigh with spikes pointing inside. Ritual scars upon the face and limbs. A map of scars upon a bare scalp.

The "self-inflicted punishment" is there, on each model. Yeah they could have more of it. But it's still there.

I'm guessing you can probably use some of the warcry cultists if you want a super emaciated body-horror type repentia, or even just elements from that. Personally, I'm just glad with how non-grimdark the new space marine units have gotten that we're finally getting a little more Chainsword back into 40k.

Sure, they're de-sexified like we all knew they would be and sure, someone just gave them clothes by selecting areas of the cad model and hitting "Extrude 2mm" rather than doing any kind of creative robe/habit or whatever, but I give them an A for fun combat poses, cool head sculpts and cool weapons.

Now I shall sit back and continue to chuckle every time someone who apparently hasn't ever seen an athletic woman in their entire life complain about how manly they are.

Are the old models really considered all that sexy?
Ok, they're quite top-heavy, but I'm more inclined to think that was because they're just not very well sculpted than because the sculpter was giggling about boobies while working on them.

The artwork from Codex: Witch Hunters certainly isn't what I'd consider sexy...

I think they will be fine given a grimdark paintjob.

I can see why those hoping for more over-the-top, more graphic figures are disappointed. It is perhaps not unexpected that the new figures would not represent the established artwork, but I can see how some would have preferred to see something along those lines.

But those that feel Raging Heroes or Brother Vinni have anything in their catalogue that resembled what you expected to see, well, I don't even know where to start. Is it the overly sexualised nature of those figures? Yeah, that's not what I would expect from GW in 2019. Moreover, unless I'm looking at the wrong figures, those are in no way a vague approximation of Repentia. The new sculpts, whatever you think of them, certainly fit most of the characteristics. They may not be perfect, but they most certainly are a better representation of the lore than those designs.

I really like them. I had been wondering how GW was going to up-date their look (of even if they were), and I even tried my hand at a version myself, but this is pretty dam good. Looks like I'll be getting some Repentia this time round.

 Melissia wrote:
The "self-inflicted punishment" is there, on each model. Yeah they could have more of it. But it's still there.

Agreed. This is the closet thing I have to a criticism (and not even really that). I think the problem is the ports take up a little too-much of the design space, and to add more of the Pain-Bling without removing them would probably make the models a little too busy.

Maybe we should think of them, not as interface ports, but 'Pain Studs'; stamped into their flesh so each movement is shot through with appropriately chastising pain.

BrianDavion wrote:
so for what they're wearing, obviously opinions will differ but my reading is it's supposed to be a simple 1 piece tunic not too dissimiler from this

Spoiler:

and honestly, thats about what I'd imagine a pentinent wearing, nothing fancy. not some weird torture gear, just humble cheap clothing. the type of thing they proably wore as young girls in the schola.

We don't have a good look at the back of any of these, but the impression I'm getting is that there is no zipper in the back, so they have to be two-piece outfits. The shorts are evident in the first picture (and also in how the the fabric follows the back of the thigh on bent legs).

I think you could sell a lot more people on the idea of a one-piece sack than the sporty beachwear the renders suggest.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:


But the assumption that because people dislike these models so they MUST like everything about the old model or we wanted nudey bondage ladies is a strawman and not at all reflective of most peoples actual issues with the models.

If there is such an assumption, it is indeed a bad one. But I don't think that was the point here. The point is the only models we had so far are the metal ones, and the metal ones were never as crazy as they were pictured on some of the GW official drawings.

The drawings are the main reason people think Repentias should be half naked crazed women with no shoe. The miniatures were never that far that way.

What's wrong with expecting new models to look like the official art thats been in use for nearly 20 years?

well when people have been saying "this'll proably get changed as it comes off as kinda sexist now adays" for the past 15....

Tinfoil hat time. What if GW's designers have simply lost their taste and respect for older depictions and just want to go with the times on purely aesthetic grounds. I'm not saying that's the reason these Repentia suck so bad, but consider that Marines had a long standing, codified aesthetic and equipment guidelines that were overthrown almost entirely by Primaris who lost much of the established and well loved character in the process.

What if the old designers are no longer in love with the setting as it was fifteen or twenty years ago and the new designers can't get behind those old, outdated ideas?

For all GW is riding the nostalgia wave with bringing back Rogue Trader and 2nd ed stuff like Genestealers for instance, I increasingly get the idea that there is no one left at GW who is inclined or in a position to preserve the integrity of the established setting and aesthetic.

Considering the insistent repetition we got on Warhammer Community that yes, plastic Sisters are a super faithful adaptation of the old models in a new medium, it seems to me that that thought didn't extend very far beyond the basic Battle Sister. Like that was all they could bring themselves to do, and when it was the Repentias' turn nobody felt the obligation to adhere to that principle anymore because the showcase model was out of the way and they have way better ideas these days where to take the army anyway.

 kendoka wrote:
I think they will be fine given a grimdark paintjob.

That would fit right in amongst a similarly painted catachan, cadian, or necromunda force.

Or Sisters force.

I must admit that I had a little doubt seeing just the grey plastic. So I decided to tinker a bit
Think she looks great with a little color. The face is pretty messed up, plenty of spikes and scrolls.

The shoes remain a bit sneaker-like though, not sure about it.

Anyway, she is definitely not playing tennis.

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Likes:

Poses are ace.

Seems to be a range of head types so more variation.

Weapon designs look crisp, if more ornamented than I'd expect repentia to have.

Dislikes:

Plugs (see below)
Clothes

The slippers don't look like remnants of their armour. While I think barefoot repentia really sells the shame and indignity of the repentia, I'd be fine with some remnant of their former equipment. What look like leather slippers don't add either quality to the visual impact of these miniatures.

It's probably just one head, but the 'bound mouth' head looks too much like the gunslinger GSC guy. There were a bunch of ways to get across 'speak no evil' - sewn shut, a bridle/ballgag, bolted metal plate. It could be better in person- I expect its actually a purity seal wrapped around her mouth

The sackcloth/bikeshorts are a weird addition. They kind of look like what a sister might train in outside her armour. The visual impact of a practically nude model in an army of heavily armoured women is diluted. Again, this isn't degrading so much as inconvenient. Its an odd choice to give them these loose, shapeless bags because rather than being nude, they simply aren't wearing anything. They could be wearing habits, breadboards that say the end is nigh, a dress made out of meat, something to suggest that they are now more unhinged flagellant than professional warrior woman. Instead they look undressed, in a way that suggests they were caught off guard rather than stripped of their station and vestments (see Leonatus woken in the middle of the night, attached.)

The plugs.

The plugs are a retcon that fiddles with decades of background material. The spacemarine black carapace includes these plugs so power armour can join directly with the carapace itself- which attaches to the marines nervous system. The point of non Astartes power armour was that it required no body modification to wear, whereas Astartes plate required invasive permanent surgery (see Leonatus). Thus you had inquisitor Veil, undercover as Penelope Pitstop or a night club singer or what have you on one mission, suiting up in power armour for the next mission.

I suppose it ran counter to 40k's theme of body horror to have a useful technology that didn't require you to nail a circuit board to your face or route wires through your nose but it allowed the user to remain 'intact' and unaugmented which has other uses in universe (infiltration, retirement!) and out of universe (Making sure the army of athletic human females in form fitting armour remained attractive outside that armour)

This change is not as drastic or far reaching as secret super stasis marines from the great crusade but it's no more welcome in my view.

 Melissia wrote:
Or Sisters force.

Not even slightly. Not amongst any of the regular colour schemes.

 Melissia wrote:

 zend wrote:
lack of anything that really says “self inflicted punishment”

Are we even looking at the same renders?

Spikes inserted in to flesh. Massive, painfully deep brandings. A metal ring around a thigh with spikes pointing inside. Ritual scars upon the face and limbs. A map of scars upon a bare scalp.

The "self-inflicted punishment" is there, on each model. Yeah they could have more of it. But it's still there.

But that’s just kinkster’s first pain play compared to the old, good art.

I agree with what the other guy said - ditch the nonsense power armor interface plugs, give us more and better “pain-bling” as he put it. I’m okay with the clothes, even if they’re a bit too neat in terms of wear and tear, but they’ve barely anything that resembles the old art besides the head sculpts.. A couple piercings and scars is so basic, and the most horrific thing they’ve got is brands. The other wounds just like battle wounds.

Then again I like my Dark Angels to look like this or the old piece John Blanche did a looooooong time ago, over what we actually get, so maybe I’m just too into the grim dark gothic aesthetic.

A.T. wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Or Sisters force.

Not even slightly. Not amongst any of the regular colour schemes.

Would be pretty easy to make them fit any of the Orders Majoris color schemes, actually. They're not that complex.

Bloody Rose would just need the clothes to be dull blood red, or give the appearance of white clothes long-stained red. Red along the sides of the eviscerator and silver detail if any.

Our Martyred Lady would need a faded black color, with some red detail if any, and a similar red on the eviscerator. Easy to do and make it match.

Valorous Heart is similar, black with white detail, and a dull bronze or copper look on the weapon.

Sacred Rose would have a stained white look with black or red details, red weapon, as would Ebon Chalice.

Argent Shroud would have a gray/silver look with red weapons.

Games Workshop was not creative at all when picking out color schemes for Sisters. These would all be trivial to make look good and fit in.


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 zend wrote:
But that’s just kinkster’s first pain play compared to the old, good art.

It's closer to the "good, old art" than the current batch:



These don't have ANY of that self-mutilation theme going on, just battle-scars painted on.