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The robes? To tie them aesthetically to the other robes-wearing sisters on the board

I agree, let’s steer away from the lame retcon.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I was kinda hoping for something more along those lines, something to tie the Repentia into the greater SoB aesthetic, but I suppose that's what pro-create is for.

Honestly, that looks pretty nice.

I'm not completely sold on the new Repentia models.

The plugs are a really big stickler for me (and I suspect a great many others too.) It does go against established Canon that the SoB don't have a black carapace and the originals didn't have them either. The poses are pretty good but they look more like "angry berserker women" than "forgiveness through death" vibe.

Don't get me wrong, the originals in my eyes, struggled with this as well but their design was similar to the human pilots of the pentinent engines so it helped them convey it somewhat.

Really love the clothes redesign. GW, please hire His master's voice asap!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Really love the clothes redesign. GW, please hire His master's voice asap!

The odds of a GW redesign are slim (though worth a shot at putting it up on their facebook), but it does give hope for greenstuffing/3d printing them.

Having never had much success with greenstuff myself is there a better material? Or perhaps liquid greenstuff over a stiff paper or a similar template material to create robes that don't turn into finger-marked messes.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Very nice!

It's just the clothes on the renders they've shown that I don't like. This, with the more flowing and tattered robes (that also mirror the robes on the fully armoured sisters, which is not only logical, it also maintains the army's visual cohesion), fixes that. Give them some taller boots rather than the slip-on looking shoes they have now and I think we would be in a good place. Not perfect perhaps, but good overall.

Such a minor change makes such a big improvement on them! I'm guessing it's too late for GW to alter them though :(

Schmapdi wrote:
Such a minor change makes such a big improvement on them! I'm guessing it's too late for GW to alter them though :(

I would hope that the current preview is an unfinished model - the positioning/visibility of the connecting pegs on the arms is terrible and the wrists don't fit correctly on some of them for starters.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
The plugs are a really big stickler for me (and I suspect a great many others too.)

At least they look like they will be easy to neatly cut off without leaving marks or the need for resculpting. Removing the clothes will be stupidly hard by comparison.

I might start a sister’s army when the plastics drop. Or not. I’m indecisive and have already tried to start Primaris Imperial Fists just this summer. And after attempting to paint a Canoness Veridian I got on release day a few years ago, I realised I probably can’t paint them very well. But I like these a lot more than the old ones.

 insaniak wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Well I guess the average woman look too much like a man, and only the most spine-bended top models look like women enough or something?

Unfortunately, for decades heroic' scaling meant female models with tiny waists, giant boobs, and no visible muscles.

Heroic scaling is always going to be something of a caricature, but the trick for manufacturers is finding a new direction that isn't insulting or embarrassing.

Raging Heroes clearly choose to stick to the 'traditional' path, while GW are clearly trying to find a better visual... And honestly, I think they've nailed it, and I suspect that those few peope claiming these don't look 'female enough' are just having trouble getting out of that traditional heroic scale mindset.

For all that I don't like the fashion choice, these models are, for me, a perfect 'heroic' female warrior style.

I thought we were talking about miniatures here, no? Maybe i'm wrong, but all news and threads and pictures seems to be about plastic, resin or metal figurines...

Perhaps some people should take a deep breath before writing certain things, I feel almost like some of us commited some sort of crime for liking or disliking some goddam miniatures, judging by the over-the-top reactions i have read... It is sort of the Thought Police from 1984.

Clearly, having an opinion different is "having troubles to see the real truth" or somewhat 'wrongthinking', or god forgive us... toxic behaviour... Wow... And no problems whatsoever for the people saying those insanities...
I wil try to not repeat the mistake of expressing a different opinion on this 'warming and welcoming' forum for all (accepted) opinions.

This is the most contentious model release I’ve seen since... probably the first Primaris leak when everybody here was fighting over whether they were real.

This is one unit in an all new range of plastics that people otherwise seem to think looks fine so far. I’d say “Get over it” but I don’t like to be argumentative.

Well somebody posted the robed repentia on the facebook page and it looks like the mods killed it pretty sharpish.

 Taarnak wrote:
That was art made for the Inquisitor 54mm game, right? It was never intended as art representing Repentia as a whole, just that one who was serving an Inquisitor (hence the armor, guns, and lack of an Eviscerator).

No, it's cropped from a full-page piece of concept sketches from the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.

 BuFFo wrote:
I want to see if GW is going to make new units for the sisters.

I'm pretty confident they will be. I'm also really confident that they'll be the last things we hear about, to avoid third party designers getting units out before the book launches.

 Sim-Life wrote:
Also I can't see how anyone can defend the shoes. They're throwing themselves to their death but their main concern is sensible footwear? Bare feet would actually go a long way towards fixing the models. Giving them shoes humanizes and civilizes them to which are both things they're supposed to have given up when they became repentia.

Well, the fact there is footwear is something that remains constant from the previous iteration of models, so...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:
Also I can't see how anyone can defend the shoes. They're throwing themselves to their death but their main concern is sensible footwear? Bare feet would actually go a long way towards fixing the models. Giving them shoes humanizes and civilizes them to which are both things they're supposed to have given up when they became repentia.

Well, the fact there is footwear is something that remains constant from the previous iteration of models, so...

Boots fit the general theme, which for the sisters generally is 'armoured space nuns with BDSM elements' and the theme of the models- which was 'the BDSM dialled up and the armour dialled down'. Bare feet also communicate this and grace/vulnerability. These models...


That 'shop with the habit looks great and confirms my main concern with these miniatures was that they weren't wearing anything, but also weren't nude. If they're not going to be nude, they should wear something that ties them to the sisters or to the theme of disgrace. The formless bags didn't communicate anything about the models or the world they live in, other than GW's reluctance to portray female nudity in current year+4. They were blank space, a formless void. The habits rock and should be implemented immediately, with bare feet or boots as a secondary concern.

 Dysartes wrote:

 BuFFo wrote:
I want to see if GW is going to make new units for the sisters.

I'm pretty confident they will be. I'm also really confident that they'll be the last things we hear about, to avoid third party designers getting units out before the book launches.

Yeah, we were never going to see anything altogether new in the prolonged advertising period Sisters received. GW is to afraid of third parties for that.

If new units are made, we'll get to see them close to actual release like with any other army.

That said, we are entering the usual advertising time frame for a new release, so it's not like we'll have all that long to wait anymore.

 Dr. Mills wrote:

The plugs are a really big stickler for me (and I suspect a great many others too.) It does go against established Canon that the SoB don't have a black carapace and the originals didn't have them either.

No it doesn’t.
No, seriously, plugs don’t equal black carapace. Especially since the plugs are in the arms and legs rather than the torso. Or do Titan Princeps have the black carapace now?
From the article itself:

The power armour worn by the Adepta Sororitas … doesn’t require the full interface of an Adeptus Astartes black carapace.

How is this so hard to grasp?

 Warpspy wrote:
I thought we were talking about miniatures here, no? Maybe i'm wrong, but all news and threads and pictures seems to be about plastic, resin or metal figurines...

Yes, yes.

 Warpspy wrote:
It is sort of the Thought Police from 1984.

Clearly, having an opinion different is "having troubles to see the real truth" or somewhat 'wrongthinking'

So you are comparing people disagreeing with your opinion on how those plastic figurines are modeled to being taken from your home, sent in a facility where you are tortured until your mind is broken, and then released as a mindless drone cheering for the regime.
That seems a bit much, even for the internet where hyperbole is common.
Maybe you should apply your own advice and take a deep breath before answering?

People disagreeing with you on the internet isn't censorship, it's the opposite: it's free speech. In case that needs to be said.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:

The plugs are a really big stickler for me (and I suspect a great many others too.) It does go against established Canon that the SoB don't have a black carapace and the originals didn't have them either.

No it doesn’t.
No, seriously, plugs don’t equal black carapace. Especially since the plugs are in the arms and legs rather than the torso. Or do Titan Princeps have the black carapace now?
From the article itself:

The power armour worn by the Adepta Sororitas … doesn’t require the full interface of an Adeptus Astartes black carapace.

How is this so hard to grasp?

Its not hard to grasp. Up until the release of these miniatures, the only power armour plugs were for the black carapace. Lots of humans in 40k have mind interface tech, lots of humans in 40k have plugs for different things. But sisters specifically (and other humans generally) did not have them or need them for power armour. In decades of art, miniatures and stories, they did not exist in Fiction, RPG or Tabletop.



The previous (first) iterations of these models didn't have them, evidence that sister-plugs didn't exist when the repentia were realised, and nothing has changed since then - with the exception of our recent WC post. These plugs are being borrowed whole cloth from the Astartes, without the black carapace that necessitates them.

 =Angel= wrote:
Up until the release of these miniatures, the only power armour plugs were for the black carapace.

That's not actually true, so... no, you're pretty much just flat out wrong. Knight and Titan drivers have plugs like this, as does the Mechanicus, as do civilians in the Dark Heresy roleplaying games, as do people in the novels. These plugs fit in to 40k's lore quite snugly.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Oooh that's a really nice mock-up - if I do pick up any repentia I'm definitely going to try and make them look more like this.

 Melissia wrote:
That's not actually true, so... no, you're pretty much just flat out wrong. Knight and Titan drivers have plugs like this, as does the Mechanicus, as do civilians in the Dark Heresy roleplaying games, as do people in the novels. These plugs fit in to 40k's lore quite snugly.

You mention dark heresy but in rulebooks for both editions the only mention of interface plus is this: "versions of the Adeptus Astartes are a separate class of power armour, using special implants to link the armour to the user in a manner no human could wear or operate".

At the moment people are dancing around 'not black carapace' point, but there is no denying that the new repentia model retcons literally every visual representation of sisters out of their armour (including those from dark heresy) for the past two decades with this new 'marine-like/lite interface', for better or worse.

Biggest issue I see with the paint mock up is the contrast between skin and clothing, it's too stark and this makes the shoes stand out. Dirty the flesh a little more and make the shoes brown and they will be less distinguishable.

A.T. wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
That's not actually true, so... no, you're pretty much just flat out wrong. Knight and Titan drivers have plugs like this, as does the Mechanicus, as do civilians in the Dark Heresy roleplaying games, as do people in the novels. These plugs fit in to 40k's lore quite snugly.

You mention dark heresy but in rulebooks for both editions the only mention of interface plus is this: "versions of the Adeptus Astartes are a separate class of power armour, using special implants to link the armour to the user in a manner no human could wear or operate".

And? That doesn't contradict the wide-ranging existence of cybernetic plugs and mind-impulse units. In many parts of the Imperium they are practically ubiquitous.

There's no "dancing around" this, the whines of that "buh mah black carapace, therefor no one can have cybernetics!" simply have no basis in the lore. No one in this thread is arguing they have to be as good or effective or efficient or useful as black carapace. Marines still get the best gear. But just because marines have to get the best gear doesn't mean no one else can get anything.

As for this being a retcon? Yeah. I explicitly called it "new lore" in a background thread discussing it. I think it's good new lore. A good change. The plugs make the Repentia look like they're ex-powera armor users, which is exactly what they should look like. That Sisters so rarely get new lore is no reason, in and of itself, they shouldn't get new lore.

Going to be honest, don't see the issue with the plugs. If you don't like them they look like they'll be really easy to scrape off.

Sisters are regular people. They aren’t super heroes. The notion that they have special implants to allow them to wear their armor cuts against this core aspect of their faction identity. Therefore, to me, it’s a really bad retcon.

The notion that, in the 40k setting, even certain civilians require implants to interact with technology is beside the point. Even more so, the idea that Titan pilots have them. For the same reason you wouldn’t design IG sculpts with these implants, neither should Sororitas have them.

 Melissia wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:
Up until the release of these miniatures, the only power armour plugs were for the black carapace.

That's not actually true, so... no, you're pretty much just flat out wrong. Knight and Titan drivers have plugs like this, as does the Mechanicus, as do civilians in the Dark Heresy roleplaying games, as do people in the novels. These plugs fit in to 40k's lore quite snugly.

Are Knights and Titans power armour? Did I stutter?

 =Angel= wrote:
Lots of humans in 40k have mind interface tech, lots of humans in 40k have plugs for different things. But sisters specifically (and other humans generally) did not have them or need them for power armour. In decades of art, miniatures and stories, they did not exist in Fiction, RPG or Tabletop.

They fit into 40k lore and their purpose is clear from the lore, but they ignore all the art, lore and models that showed us that sisters didn't have plugs because the only power armour plugs were for black carapace.

 =Angel= wrote:
Are Knights and Titans power armour?

Mental interfacing with tech is mental interfacing with tech. If anything, power armor would be far easier to interface with than a Titan.

It's one thing to object aesthetically, or to say you don't think Sisters SHOULD need them like Manchu did. It's another thing to say that these plugs don't fit the lore. They just flat out do fit the lore, and have for more than a decade now.


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 Manchu wrote:
Sisters are regular people. They aren’t super heroes. The notion that they have special implants to allow them to wear their armor cuts against this core aspect of their faction identity.

I gotta disagree? I don't see them as "special" implants. Plugs like that are fairly common in the Imperium.

Also, you know they've had cybernetics on a few of their minis since the 90s, and in their artwork since the start, right? The interface-plugs are new, but Sisters being cybernetically augmented isn't. It's really not that far of a stretch. This IS the first time it's been "standardized", I'll grant. But see above regarding them not being "special" in my eyes.

 Manchu wrote:
Sisters are regular people. They aren’t super heroes. The notion that they have special implants to allow them to wear their armor cuts against this core aspect of their faction identity. Therefore, to me, it’s a really bad retcon.

The notion that, in the 40k setting, even certain civilians require implants to interact with technology is beside the point. Even more so, the idea that Titan pilots have them. For the same reason you wouldn’t design IG sculpts with these implants, neither should Sororitas have them.

That's a really baffling take.

The reason they need them at all is -because- they aren't superheroes. Its a move away from 'Sisters can use the super special armor without issue because magic.'
It actually reinforces that they aren't engineered superhumans, but humans with human needs and limitations- which reinforces the 'faction identity'

If guard used power armor, they'd need them too. They'd be odd on guard models because they're the massed soldiery who don't get nice things because it isn't worth it. Sisters are the right hand of the Ecclesiarchy, so they DO get nice things. But they still need to be able to use them.

And since GW finally has the tech and sculptors to do repentia models that don't look like gak, its a good time to make the lore connections and stop handwaving.