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 Geifer wrote:

Benionin wrote:
Lately we've been getting bulletins every other week. What are the odds GW will give us a new update this coming week instead of waiting so we can have something else to talk about? I'd say "I'll take anything else," but I have a sinking suspicion that we'll get something even more controversial as a result.

I'd expect they stick with their schedule. I don't know how controversial new Repentias are across the wider Internet, but the only part of it GW cares about, their Facebook page, is by all accounts strictly moderated so they can pretend there is no controversy. And if they don't see it, there's no reason for them to act on it.

I don't think there's much controversy, sure some people complain here but it's the useal "GW did something new how dare they!" level of complaints that happen everytime something gets added to 40k. This isn't to say the folks who dislike the new repenta's are just complaining, just... everytime GW introduces something new it's never been met with universal acclaim, no reason to expect that to change.

 Geifer wrote:
I don't know how controversial new Repentias are across the wider Internet

Very mixed. Perhaps it's just GW looking to head off more of the vocal complaints and petitions about the style of the other sisters that they have been getting over the past few years - sacrifice the traditional look of the repentia/unarmoured sisters for the greater good of keeping the power armour design.

 Mmmpi wrote:
They still don't have huge black carapace looking interfaces.

Well the black carapace interfaces are and have always been big circular ports on the body and limbs, so perhaps we are just looking at different repentia.

ERJAK wrote:

 dracpanzer wrote:
I for one, do not like the nu-Repentia models. I can (and would if I were to buy them, which I won't) certainly file the plugs off. I don't care about that, what I do not like is the lack of tattered robes, chains, and rosary beads. No need to try to explain why they took them away. I really don't care, I just don't like them without them! We are all entitled to our opinions, right?

I for one hope that the upcoming codex doesn't mention the plugs at all. That way this little bulletin will remain the one reference to Sisters having them and will remain a thorn in the side of everyone who either tries to disprove them or wants to use a Warhammer community article as pure canon. Sisters are a penitent Order correct? We do deserve to suffer...

I can't even begin to understand why the plugs are somehow a problem. It's 40k, that kind of ridiculous crap is on basically everything. Tanks have exhaust vents made to look like braziers.

The whole universe is (deliberately) dumb as gak. Arguing 'doesn't make sense' in 40k is kinda ridiculous.

Again, the plugs aren't a problem, they seem easy to file off if you don't like them. The problem I have is that the render doesn't have anything to really tie them in with the aesthetic of the rest of the line. Robes, and rosaries mostly or the hoods/headwraps and chains that were a large part of the aesthetic of Repentia themselves.

Again, the plugs aren't a problem, they seem easy to file off if you don't like them.

Did you manage to miss the last 5 pages, where the main point of criticism was that having plugs makes them too much like marines, and that's icky because reasons that totally aren't fear of making the precious posterboys seem less special?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Benionin wrote:
Lately we've been getting bulletins every other week. What are the odds GW will give us a new update this coming week instead of waiting so we can have something else to talk about? I'd say "I'll take anything else," but I have a sinking suspicion that we'll get something even more controversial as a result.

I'd expect they stick with their schedule. I don't know how controversial new Repentias are across the wider Internet, but the only part of it GW cares about, their Facebook page, is by all accounts strictly moderated so they can pretend there is no controversy. And if they don't see it, there's no reason for them to act on it.

I don't think there's much controversy, sure some people complain here but it's the useal "GW did something new how dare they!" level of complaints that happen everytime something gets added to 40k. This isn't to say the folks who dislike the new repenta's are just complaining, just... everytime GW introduces something new it's never been met with universal acclaim, no reason to expect that to change.

I mean sure, but the grumbling here isn't just personal taste stuff about the concept itself, it's also about the execution of the concept. I keep seeing variations on the "repaints" of the image floating around, and it baffles me how GW could have thought the Tennis Ladies of Doom were quality work, especially when a couple of days of iteration by random internet people can come up with something like this(not even remotely my work):



If they'd have dropped something like that then, sure, I'd have been disappointed that they didn't go full nudey-whackaloon, but it's Current Year and I get that companies often have to moderate their creativity to avoid being "called out" on social media and dragged through the mud in clickbaity OpEds, and I could accept that kind of version of the concept. Hell, stick a few interface plugs on there too, makes no sense but why not. As they are though, they're a disappointment, and while there maybe isn't much "controversy", I've not seen very much enthusiasm either.

Cronch wrote:

Again, the plugs aren't a problem, they seem easy to file off if you don't like them.

Did you manage to miss the last 5 pages, where the main point of criticism was that having plugs makes them too much like marines, and that's icky because reasons that totally aren't fear of making the precious posterboys seem less special?

This really isn't true. The people who have mostly been arguing against including them are long time sisters players, not marine players. At least in this thread.

Cronch wrote:

Did you manage to miss the last 5 pages, where the main point of criticism was that having plugs makes them too much like marines, and that's icky because reasons that totally aren't fear of making the precious posterboys seem less special?

...really?

I will admit i played a minuscule part of the back and forth, but I have to ask if you considered those being against the plugs could be against them because to those people it makes the Sisters less special, not the Marines? That because of the lack of them until now and the fact the lore heavily plays up the Sisters Faith and martial discipline hand in hand, the idea of Sisters with such things being asserted now takes away from their perspective of this faction as a whole in some way?

because that's where I stand in that. Frankly I despised the Astartes for some time due to them being pushed on me so much, and because this was a setting where I liked (comparatively) regular humans. I was sooner captivated by the IG's grit, and the Sisters, then eventually the Mechanicus's religious trappings. This idea that sisters are doing this process to wear it as opposed to flat out learning the armor with diligence, skill, and faith has the mechanicus side of me snickering like they won a bet. "hah, your flesh needed the help of the Machine anyway, as expected"

I can justify the change or ignore it, say it's about how much they are willing to sacrifice or file them off, but if i justify it its a sweeping justification i have to make on top of a model that appears to have given up it's own religious trappings as well (the Rite of Repentance, and maybe even the Flagellant reference, we don't know).

I don't know about the others here, but if the concern is "Marines are going to be less special now!?" they are DRASTICALLY missing the point, and also rather late to the party. later than this line update.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I've not seen very much enthusiasm either.

Maybe you haven't looked very hard? The people saying "I hate this" always drown out everyone else, because they have the most motivation to do so. Only so much you can do with saying either "I like this" or "I kinda like this". It's a similar problem restaurants face with customer review sites-- people often go and eat and enjoy then don't say anything, but if they get a bad experience they HAVE to tell someone.

Doesn't mean every customer has the negative experience, however.

Cronch wrote:
the main point of criticism was that having plugs makes them too much like marines, and that's icky because reasons that totally aren't fear of making the precious posterboys seem less special?

You’ve got that backwards, at least as far as my main point: making Sisters more like Space Marines makes Sisters seem less special. This is because Sisters are, or were, just ordinary humans, rather than surgically enhanced super soldiers.

That said, I still like the new Repentia models. I’m pretty grateful that Repentia are still a thing, at all, but beyond that, the new figs are pretty cool IMO in and of themselves. I just object to anything that makes Sisters more like the “poster boys,” to use your phrase.


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 warboss wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Retcanoness!



Genius!

As the coiner of the term Adeptus Restartes when primaris were introduced, I approve.

That one is also pure genius! How did I miss it?

 Manchu wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Retcanoness!



Genius!

As the coiner of the term Adeptus Restartes when primaris were introduced, I approve.

That one is also pure genius! How did I miss it?

Yeah, I tried to make fetch happen in the primaris release thread with that (along with renaming classic marines as secundus). The former got some traction.

I am a huge fan of the fact that the sisters are basically normal humans and not super people, but for the life of me I just cannot see this sort of minor bionics affecting that. This is an universe where far more extensive bionics are commonplace. In art it seems like half the people in the setting have at least some bionics and they're not uncommon on models either. It would be like arguing that a guardsman with a bionic eye is some sort of a super soldier and them having that destroys the idea that the guard are just normal people.

I 100% would have bought the new Repentia if they looked like this. The above image is several orders of magnitude better than the official models. If I see someone who converts and paints the real models to look like this, or 3D prints them as an unofficial variation, I will definitely buy/commission them. The wrapped feet alone is a genius move that elevates the design back to the level and theme of other SOB models.

Sadly, I will not be buying the official versions. And this is coming from someone who owns four different painted copies of the updated Celestine, two copies of Veridyan, three Amalia Novenas, and forty painted old school Repentia. If GW want real SOB customers who actually buy, paint and play the faction to purchase their new plastic models, they are going to need to do better than this.

That's certainly one opinion... I'm personally not fond of the crown of spines or the feet wrapped with purity seals, and I honestly think the legs and arms look worse like that...

Like, not a fan at all of those changes, but I dig the robes.

 Albertorius wrote:
That's certainly one opinion... I'm personally not fond of the crown of spines or the feet wrapped with purity seals, and I honestly think the legs and arms look worse like that...

Like, not a fan at all of those changes, but I dig the robes.

I think the feet wraps are a great improvement, though I wouldn't paint them s purity seals.

Don't like the idea of feet wrapped in purity seals at all.

 Casbyness wrote:

I 100% would have bought the new Repentia if they looked like this. The above image is several orders of magnitude better than the official models. If I see someone who converts and paints the real models to look like this, or 3D prints them as an unofficial variation, I will definitely buy/commission them. The wrapped feet alone is a genius move that elevates the design back to the level and theme of other SOB models.

Sadly, I will not be buying the official versions. And this is coming from someone who owns four different painted copies of the updated Celestine, two copies of Veridyan, three Amalia Novenas, and forty painted old school Repentia. If GW want real SOB customers who actually buy, paint and play the faction to purchase their new plastic models, they are going to need to do better than this.

It's all a matter of taste though.

I'm one of the old sods who picked up the 2nd Ed Sisters when the release was extremely small and even the Codex design notes hinted that you were better off using them as allies rather than an standalone army!

I was a fan of the original Citadel Journal version of the Repentia when they were envisaged as lone operatives seeking redemption rather than a whip driven unit with a converted Escher ganger with a trimmed mohawk being shown as an example.

I have never owned a unit of metal Repentia simply because I wasn't a fan of them. As someone who didn't like the metal models, I have no problem with the new plastic version and may even pick up a unit so GW lose you as an individual buyer but pick me up to cover your spending gap.

Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

alphaecho wrote:

I was a fan of the original Citadel Journal version of the Repentia when they were envisaged as lone operatives seeking redemption rather than a whip driven unit with a converted Escher ganger with a trimmed mohawk being shown as an example.

Oh, the one inspired by that Blanche art!

I know that this is a pipe dream, but I really wish that the Repentia would get a dual pistol loadout option. Since seeing the picture in the Inquisitor Sketchbook, I've always wanted that.


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 Manchu wrote:
Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

Probably.

 Crimson wrote:

alphaecho wrote:

I was a fan of the original Citadel Journal version of the Repentia when they were envisaged as lone operatives seeking redemption rather than a whip driven unit with a converted Escher ganger with a trimmed mohawk being shown as an example.

Oh, the one inspired by that Blanche art!

The very one.

 Crimson wrote:
I am a huge fan of the fact that the sisters are basically normal humans and not super people, but for the life of me I just cannot see this sort of minor bionics affecting that.

I see what you mean but it’s not really a matter of how extensive the surgery is — although I do think it would take a whole series of surgeries to implant all those interface plugs. But the issue for me is something different: making an artificial enhancement necessary for a Sister to do her most basic thing as a Sister, i.e., fight in PA. Cybernetic prostheses are one thing. I got no issues with Sisters replacing damaged body parts with some chrome. But taking a normal, healthy body and saying, this is not sufficient, we need to improve it so that she can become a Sister, that is a completely different ball game. A ball game called Space Marine Ball.

 Crimson wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

Probably.

Just spitballing here, but we know that not a few women love cosplaying Sisters. I wonder if some part of the new Repentia design was informed by the notion that it could be easier to cosplay than the semi-nude original Repentia.

 Manchu wrote:
Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

Well, if there is one unit who thematically shouldn't be wearing comfortable shoes, it's probably the Repentia.

The new models look like something from a good third party site that wanted to avoid GW's lawyers.

 Crimson wrote:
I am a huge fan of the fact that the sisters are basically normal humans and not super people, but for the life of me I just cannot see this sort of minor bionics affecting that. This is an universe where far more extensive bionics are commonplace. In art it seems like half the people in the setting have at least some bionics and they're not uncommon on models either. It would be like arguing that a guardsman with a bionic eye is some sort of a super soldier and them having that destroys the idea that the guard are just normal people.

that last bit about the guardsman would be supremely silly. but that's not quite what i'm getting at. nor am i bothered by Bionics in and of themselves. replacements arms and limbs and eyes and such im quite fine with, especially because they are likely given to those who've been injured in the line of duty as a means to continue to fight. it's only this situation that bugs me.

my issue with THESE "bionics" is that it was until now it was at the very least implied to me that an element of the Sisters capability came from wearing this armor without such things. that faith and diligence was all that was required of them. the Sisters are "normal" mostly, but they are also the ones most capable of using their faith as a sword and shield. if we must make a comparison, and it's an utterly terrible one, consider how Orks wield their technology. by a similar token, they were either being "helped along" by their Faith, or were "just that good" and it was a mark of their discipline and effort to handle the armor without help.

Now i am told some number to all of them go under the knife for this instead, and in the religious poker game i feel like the Mechanicus won the pot (because modifications are their shtick). call it silly, or stupid, or whatever you may wish, it just undermines them to me on some level. I can understand if it doesn't for others and good for them, but it does for me.

 Mmmpi wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Retcanoness!

Is that a pun?

Assuming this is a straight question: yes.

Okay rephrasing time:
Can sometime explain the pun to me? Keep in mind I'm not very bright, also that English isn't my native tongue.

Retcon => Retcanoness

Here are my two cents about the model:

Good:
- Buff girl.

Bad:
- Tennis shoes.
- Overall bland model.


Verdict:
I won't buy a box of these.

Manchu wrote:Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

I'm neutral on the shoes. It's not the direction I would have gone, but it doesn't really detract from the model IMO. I would have preferred foot wrappings like the fan mockup has (but painting them as purity seals is some next-level heresy, and I would suggest the creator report to his local commissar for re-education).

Manchu wrote:I see what you mean but it’s not really a matter of how extensive the surgery is — although I do think it would take a whole series of surgeries to implant all those interface plugs. But the issue for me is something different: making an artificial enhancement necessary for a Sister to do her most basic thing as a Sister, i.e., fight in PA. Cybernetic prostheses are one thing. I got no issues with Sisters replacing damaged body parts with some chrome. But taking a normal, healthy body and saying, this is not sufficient, we need to improve it so that she can become a Sister, that is a completely different ball game. A ball game called Space Marine Ball.

I understand where you're coming from here even if I don't really agree. Mostly because Battle Sister isn't the "most basic thing" a sister does. The Adepta Soriritas has many different orders with duties ranging from exploration to proselytizing to medical aide, and only the Orders Militant would really need to directly interface with their power armor (if they even have to wear it on a regular basis). The Hospitallers likely don't need these particular modifications, nor would the Dialogus or the Famulous. Those orders could get by just fine using the body glove. That would work just fine for the limited combat they would see.

It’s true that there are “non-combatant” (ha!) Sisters, but they are ancillary when we’re talking about the core theme of the faction vis-a-vis a tabletop war game. Anyhow, it seems we can agree that one of the coolest things about Sisters is that they are physically normal people. If the basic infantry unit of the faction now requires surgical enhancement to even be then they aren’t quite physically normal people anymore.

I mean, it's not like you'll be able to see the ports on a typical Sisters squad anyway. Also, I hesitate to continue this argument, but I will likely have to have my knee replaced in the next year or so (severe cartilage damage from sports). Will you no long consider me a physically normal person since will require a titanium prosthetic to walk? Cybernetic implants are considered a normal part of life in the Imperium.

I am fine with sisters needing the ports to interface with their powered armour - I had always assumed that, lacking black carapace, they had some other form of neural link.

It certainly doesn't make them gene-modified superfolks in the same way that Space Marines are.

 Manchu wrote:
Am I alone in thinking the shoes are neat?

You mean the ones on the GW art? I'm okay with them. They look like very simple leather affairs with an extra thick padding of leather on the soles. Fine by me. Not like they're making Sisters wear Air Jordans or something silly like that.