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My immediate "want to know" is .. will the Battle Sanctum terrain line up with my Imperial Basilica terrain? I own like 3 of that kit, and more stuff to add there is .. drooling...
Since I did not have Arco's nor Penitent Engines in my all-metal sisters, I am certainly picking them up to add to my current army. I MIGHT get a box of the flying gals to add to my force as either heroes, or unit leaders
Lastly, if there is such a thing as Celestians in the new codex, I might get the new Troops to use as them..
I just cannot imagine I might rebuy troops and heavy weapons because I already got em..
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Order of St Ursula (Sisters of Battle): W-2, L-1, T-1
Get of Freki (Space Wolves): W-3, L-1, T-1
Hive Fleet Portentosa (Nids/Stealers): W-6, L-4, T-0
Omega Marines (vanilla Space Marine): W-1, L-6, T-2
Waagh Magshak (Orks): W-4, L-0, T-1
A.V.P.D.W.: W-0, L-2, T-0
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I don’t mean that, I mean the ‘feather’/exhaust parts of the wings. There seems to be more space between them towards the tips on the Zephyrim to the Seraphim. Pipes wasn’t a good word for it. The Zephyrim wings seem more open.
porkuslime wrote: Lastly, if there is such a thing as Celestians in the new codex, I might get the new Troops to use as them..
I just cannot imagine I might rebuy troops and heavy weapons because I already got em..
Celestians are definately a thing. The multipart Battle Sisters box includes special Celestian Helmets for them. They also re-roll all Hit Rolls when within 6" of an <<Order>> Cannoness. At one point more per model than Battle Sisters, I imagine they aren't totally bad.
porkuslime wrote: Lastly, if there is such a thing as Celestians in the new codex, I might get the new Troops to use as them..
I just cannot imagine I might rebuy troops and heavy weapons because I already got em..
Celestians are definately a thing. The multipart Battle Sisters box includes special Celestian Helmets for them. They also re-roll all Hit Rolls when within 6" of an <<Order>> Cannoness. At one point more per model than Battle Sisters, I imagine they aren't totally bad.
in my own personal thinking, Celestians being bigger and beefier KINDA works and I can rationalize that.. plus they are more "dynamically posed" than my metal gals, so, that helps in thinking they are "special"
2+2=5 for sufficiently large values of 2.
Order of St Ursula (Sisters of Battle): W-2, L-1, T-1
Get of Freki (Space Wolves): W-3, L-1, T-1
Hive Fleet Portentosa (Nids/Stealers): W-6, L-4, T-0
Omega Marines (vanilla Space Marine): W-1, L-6, T-2
Waagh Magshak (Orks): W-4, L-0, T-1
A.V.P.D.W.: W-0, L-2, T-0
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porkuslime wrote: Lastly, if there is such a thing as Celestians in the new codex, I might get the new Troops to use as them..
I just cannot imagine I might rebuy troops and heavy weapons because I already got em..
Celestians are definately a thing. The multipart Battle Sisters box includes special Celestian Helmets for them. They also re-roll all Hit Rolls when within 6" of an <<Order>> Cannoness. At one point more per model than Battle Sisters, I imagine they aren't totally bad.
Also extra WS, attack, LD and body guard. Only reason I don't spam celestians rather than BSS is they are elite and I already will need minimum 6 squads of battle sisters.
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alextroy wrote: They also re-roll all Hit Rolls when within 6" of an <<Order>> Cannoness. At one point more per model than Battle Sisters, I imagine they aren't totally bad.
They also got a stratagem to reroll to hit and to wound, but it's a bit expensive at 2CP when you already reroll to hit anyway…
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I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
I'd says Celetians are not bad as opposed to great. The do seem to be a nice basis for some buff stacking:
Celetians
Canoness
Imagifier
Priest
Bloody Rose
They are now 4 S4 AP -1 Attacks per model that Re-roll all To Hit Rolls along with Rerolling all Shooting Hit Rolls. And every buff there works on multiple units at the same time.
pm713 wrote: I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
I just think they're just a bit boring. They're just better normal sisters. I hoped that they would have used this opportunity to make them more distinct.
pm713 wrote: I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
I just think they're just a bit boring. They're just better normal sisters. I hoped that they would have used this opportunity to make them more distinct.
The major benefit you gain from Celestines are as bodyguards for your characters (Imagifiers, Canoness, etc...) I have 2 min squads in my army just to help keep them alive and a Hospitalier thrown in to keep them at full strength.
"Elysians: For when you absolutely, positively, must have 100% casualties"
pm713 wrote: I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
I just think they're just a bit boring. They're just better normal sisters. I hoped that they would have used this opportunity to make them more distinct.
The major benefit you gain from Celestines are as bodyguards for your characters (Imagifiers, Canoness, etc...) I have 2 min squads in my army just to help keep them alive and a Hospitalier thrown in to keep them at full strength.
With the character rules as they are I don't think they need bodyguards. I can keep characters just as safe with things like Dominions who I can give good weapons to.
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I'm really glad I didn't spend $45 on ebay just to pick up a solo PE since they'll come in units of 2 and probably cost the same. Unless they pull an Armiger and charge $70 for them.
It's nice that the Mortifactor has at least three pilot body options. Regular body, half an iron maiden, and Harlequin.
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pm713 wrote: I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
I just think they're just a bit boring. They're just better normal sisters. I hoped that they would have used this opportunity to make them more distinct.
The major benefit you gain from Celestines are as bodyguards for your characters (Imagifiers, Canoness, etc...) I have 2 min squads in my army just to help keep them alive and a Hospitalier thrown in to keep them at full strength.
With the character rules as they are I don't think they need bodyguards. I can keep characters just as safe with things like Dominions who I can give good weapons to.
You've obviously not met Eliminators on the table yet
pm713 wrote: I feel like the only person who doesn't like Celestians at all. They don't seem to have decent enough weapons to benefit from rerolling all hits and their better stats aren't better in ways I care about for Sisters.
I just think they're just a bit boring. They're just better normal sisters. I hoped that they would have used this opportunity to make them more distinct.
The major benefit you gain from Celestines are as bodyguards for your characters (Imagifiers, Canoness, etc...) I have 2 min squads in my army just to help keep them alive and a Hospitalier thrown in to keep them at full strength.
With the character rules as they are I don't think they need bodyguards. I can keep characters just as safe with things like Dominions who I can give good weapons to.
You've obviously not met Eliminators on the table yet
Admittedly that's true. Everyone I play with hates Primaris as much as me so I never have to worry about them.
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Have we already talked about Junith Eruita' alternate head option?
I kinda like this head but it would look better on a fully cloaked body like the sisters on the Triumph of St. Katherine. I may have to swap her out for a different model.
I'm so sad that this model is faction locked. They really messed up by not giving us a generic battle pulpit option, and it is weird to have alternate head for a special character.
Crimson wrote: I'm so sad that this model is faction locked. They really messed up by not giving us a generic battle pulpit option, and it is weird to have alternate head for a special character.
agreed. sisters really needed some additional HQ choices too. I think some sort of Chaplain equivilant would be an great idea.
If GW assigned me to write a new sisters book and put in some additional HQs I;d do a Leuitenant equivilant called a Prioress, and a something similer to a chaplain called "Choir Superior" or something.
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Crimson wrote: I'm so sad that this model is faction locked. They really messed up by not giving us a generic battle pulpit option, and it is weird to have alternate head for a special character.
agreed. sisters really needed some additional HQ choices too. I think some sort of Chaplain equivilant would be an great idea.
If GW assigned me to write a new sisters book and put in some additional HQs I;d do a Leuitenant equivilant called a Prioress, and a something similer to a chaplain called "Choir Superior" or something.
Junith bugged me from the start for not being more like a Catacomb command barge equivalent, but for sisters. they called junith a centerpiece, AND missed out on jetpacks while reducing canoness range options. they really went the distance here.
gonna point out here though, if you look at the old sister chain of command, a Prioress would actually rank higher than a Canoness (and last i checked there was several Canoness subranks). if you wanted a lesser Canoness, you would want a Palatine, something else id been asking for as well.
Wouldnt be interested in a chaplain equivalent, but dressing up something about choirs and singing does add up well to the sisters theme in my mind at least. not sure what you'd name them at this point though...
Crimson wrote: I'm so sad that this model is faction locked. They really messed up by not giving us a generic battle pulpit option, and it is weird to have alternate head for a special character.
agreed. sisters really needed some additional HQ choices too. I think some sort of Chaplain equivilant would be an great idea.
If GW assigned me to write a new sisters book and put in some additional HQs I;d do a Leuitenant equivilant called a Prioress, and a something similer to a chaplain called "Choir Superior" or something.
They used to have that in the "WitchHunters" codex. You had the HQ choice of "Adepta Sororitias Heroine" that has 2 options of Canoness or Palatine, with Palatine being 10pts cheaper for -1W, -1A, -1Ld, and 1 few Faith Points added. I've named by 2nd Canoness in my list that has "Heroine in the Making" as a Palatine just for personal fluff.
*edit, was said above before me*
But I agree that they should have included the options for other HQ ranks. In older fluff there were also different levels of Canonesses based upon the number of sisters they commanded. Going from high to low you had Canoness Superior, Canoness Preceptor, Canoness Commander, Palatine (Codex Witchhunters Pg 11)
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"Elysians: For when you absolutely, positively, must have 100% casualties"
Crimson wrote: I'm so sad that this model is faction locked. They really messed up by not giving us a generic battle pulpit option, and it is weird to have alternate head for a special character.
agreed. sisters really needed some additional HQ choices too. I think some sort of Chaplain equivilant would be an great idea.
If GW assigned me to write a new sisters book and put in some additional HQs I;d do a Leuitenant equivilant called a Prioress, and a something similer to a chaplain called "Choir Superior" or something.
They used to have that in the "WitchHunters" codex. You had the HQ choice of "Adepta Sororitias Heroine" that has 2 options of Canoness or Palatine, with Palatine being 10pts cheaper for -1W, -1A, -1Ld, and 1 few Faith Points added. I've named by 2nd Canoness in my list that has "Heroine in the Making" as a Palatine just for personal fluff.
*edit, was said above before me*
But I agree that they should have included the options for other HQ ranks. In older fluff there were also different levels of Canonesses based upon the number of sisters they commanded. Going from high to low you had Canoness Superior, Canoness Preceptor, Canoness Commander, Palatine (Codex Witchhunters Pg 11)
Still the same. Abbess Sanctorum at the very top (well, after the Emperor), then the Prioress, followed by the list you gave. It doesn't seem unreasonable to have the lowest three ranks on the tabletop; or more, given that Guilliman, Phoenix Lords and the likes are also available as playable characters.
If they decided to design a spare head for Junith, there is even less reason for them not to have made her pulpit thing available as an option for a generic Canoness (or other rank/role) build. Once she's released, the only thing stopping me from getting her is the fact that I'm not going for an Order of Our Martyred Lady army. And it's not like the OoOML was lacking characters otherwise.
AAAAAGH! They are going for slow-burn it seems. Codex, card, dices, batle sister box, retribution box, the triumph and no mention of others. Not even HQ.
Better than nothing but waaaay less than I expected. Wasn't expecting full 16 kits but at least something like 8 at least. As it is unlikely this will be 2 week release and will take more than that. Which might not be even successive ones. Some could be february/march releases.
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But let's see. We need: Canoness, triumph, the big flying thing, sister box, retribution box, rhino, immolator, exorcist, arco flagelant, doalogue, hospitaler, imagifier, repentia, seraphim, penitent engine, the terrain piece. That's 16 kits. So yeah 16 right there. Then there's the missionary, preacher, death cult assasins etc but I ifigure those will stay finecast/metal.
Or do you really think GW will put entry to codex leaving it without model?-)
