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Two episodes into season 2, this show is still one of the best around. Right from the start (and even from the S1 recap) it remains stylish as hell, so,e super clever directing. a snappy and sharp script delivered excellently, and while still relatively sparse, the action sequences are as slick and well-paced as before. Kisoc is very different. but still as excellently integrated into the show rather than there for the sake of it.
Most importantly, it doesn't commit that greatest of sequel series crimes, rolling back everyone's character arcs to a nice even status quo and retreading old ground Some go in very different directions from what you might guess, but they're all firmly rooted in the events of the first series.
Oh, and the opening of the first episode is just beautifully bizarre and bombastic as only this show can be...
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
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So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
Spoiler:
So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy
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I dunno. I think given the times I think he reacted fairly in keeping with the times and quite reasonably... Of course theres an entire thing with communism and soviets going on. People forget how hard the US had to come down on the budding communist movement post WW2. It was the boogey man back then. Communist evil coz Russia evil narrative certainly would have fed into his though process.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ok, Ok, I want to know what people think about Carl. Ill put it in spoilers.
Spoiler:
So, like, am i the only one who thinks he was poorly written as a bad guy/foil? At the beginning, he is shown to not be abusive, just distant and a drunkard, but he still seems to care for his family, even helping vanya find her family. He seems a little....resrntful of his son, but cares for him(and let me tell you this, that is not an uncommon feeling today even when we know about the diagnosis). but it seems that once its decided that Vanya MUST fall for Sissy, he took a turn into cuckoo town and raging. But even then, he handled it....kinda well, just telling Vanya to leave. He just tells her to leave.
He reallly seems to suffer from what the Audience knows, vs what he knows. Yeah we know the whole story about Vanya and family and superpowers, and because we have been following them for awhile, it doesnt seem weird. But he doesnt, He sees someone he took in after hitting them. who then helped with his son, then turn on and cheat with his wife and then somehow affect his son who he is already worrying about? That is terryfying. Yeah he said he wanted to send him to "One oof those places" Which we know today as being bad(BTW, No, he would in all likelyhood not have had a lobotomy, those fell outta favor in the 50s) because in the 60s, that is what he knew.
IDK, dude is still a scumbag, but he seems to suffer from poor writing. The "You dont get to Ask for more" was particularly scummy
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Like you, I was very pleased with his reserved response to the revelation that Vanya was stealing his woman. He didn't beat his wife, and when he asked her to come out to the farm, I thought for sure he was going to try to kill her. Using his brother's position to keep her from running was very inappropriate by our standards, but I think he stands in nicely for the attitudes of the times. I wouldn't even grant him villain status, he just was very much a product of the times.
Personally, I thought Sissy probably caused more harm with her indecisiveness. Had she picked a person and stuck with it, Vanya and Harlan would have been spared a world of grief, and Carl probably would have still been alive. Still not a villain by any means, mind you.
Really excellent show, and if anything a stronger season than the first! And the bar was already quite high. Set aside time to stream the whole thing though, because the pacing and cliffhangers drive you to keep going to the end in one sitting.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.
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I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.
Dreadwinter wrote: Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.
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I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.
I agree he seems to be the most 1 dimensional of all the characters.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Dreadwinter wrote: Season, imo, got off to a bit of a slow start. But by episode 3-4 I decided to just binge the last of it. Enjoyed it, look forward to next season. I only had one really major complaint.
Spoiler:
I honestly did not like Luther in this season. He just didn't seem well written at all and his lines were sometimes pretty cringe.
I agree he seems to be the most 1 dimensional of all the characters.
I didn't hate him in the first season. He had a lot going on. But this season it was mostly just "heh, yeah, oh yeah I am really dumb. Yup, super dumb here." Which is confusing because that is kind of Diego's running joke in the series. But hell, Dumb Batman had more character development than Ape Boy.
I didnt see luthor as dumb, just letting his emotions be in control for most of his stuff. Stays with Jack Ruby because he needs validation, throws the fight because of Allison.
He is just a big boy i want to give a hug.
Him outside Allisons/Rays house was my favorite, along with eating the chocolate.
He also gives off this vide of just, being kind. Like he shows up outside the house, this big white boy, and says Allison is his sister(Granted, he knew her maiden name) and he lets him in. This big civil rights activist, very active, just trusts this guy built like this.
Kinda goes to show how both are, and why maybe Allison fell for them both.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I didnt see luthor as dumb, just letting his emotions be in control for most of his stuff. Stays with Jack Ruby because he needs validation, throws the fight because of Allison.
He is just a big boy i want to give a hug.
Him outside Allisons/Rays house was my favorite, along with eating the chocolate.
He also gives off this vide of just, being kind. Like he shows up outside the house, this big white boy, and says Allison is his sister(Granted, he knew her maiden name) and he lets him in. This big civil rights activist, very active, just trusts this guy built like this.
Kinda goes to show how both are, and why maybe Allison fell for them both.
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I mean, the last half of the season is 5 explaining to Luthor how dumb he is every time he suggests something/talks. The thing is, it isn't Five being mean, those were actually bad ideas. He even has parts where he just completely spaces for, uh, reasons and people have to snap him out of it to do things. No explanation why he is spacing out really, he just is. He is hanging on to Ruby but ultimately lets him down because, uh, he found out his sister was married. It devastates him, even though he knows she has been in other relationships and she even has a child. It really makes no sense. It would make more sense to me if he found out she was married and went "Huh, well that isn't surprising. Good for her." Him confronting his Father wasn't even that great because he really just stood up and yelled at a guy who had no idea what the hell he was talking about.
I think luthor is a direct consequence of s1. Both the fallout of seeing what his father put him through and the pointlessness of it all and his part in pushing vanya over the edge.
His confidence and self image is broken. And when hes trying to act confident now its a sham and his heart isnt really in it. So his ideas are half baked and he falls into the background.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Personally I loved him with the 5s. Great episode, and his credulity and care contrasted well with their maniacal scheming. He was definitely not the focus of this season, which is totally fine! With 7 or more compelling characters you won't be the star every time. I expect he'll be more of a focus in the next season as he's the most likely to fall in line with a functioning Sparrow academy, and function as a bridge to his own fragile team.
For me, most disappointing were
Spoiler:
The Swedes. Their code of honor was very cool, but they didn't hold a candle to the menace and humor of Cha-cha and Hazel. Cha-cha brought so much personal hatred to the table it was unreal.
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Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
Yeah that is what i really hate about Netflix shows, such a long wait between seasons. I think the Gabriel Iglesias show was like, 2 years for 6 episodes.
Season 2 was far funnier than the first season. I thought it was great, although the humour perhaps became a little broad during the "Two 5's" part.
And I know that Ellen Page gets first billing because she's the "big Hollywood actor", but really Aidan Gallagher should be the first name on the cast list. For someone so young he does so well with the rest of the cast, and a lot of the times is carrying the whole show on his shoulders.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Season 2 was far funnier than the first season. I thought it was great, although the humour perhaps became a little broad during the "Two 5's" part.
And I know that Ellen Page gets first billing because she's the "big Hollywood actor", but really Aidan Gallagher should be the first name on the cast list. For someone so young he does so well with the rest of the cast, and a lot of the times is carrying the whole show on his shoulders.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Just finished season 2, IMHO not as good as S1, but still good.
And yeah, HBMC is totally right, Aidan Gallagher is the breakout star here.
I think 2 things disappointed me. The whole season is set in the early 60s and devoted to demystifying that whole era, the collision of the idealized 50s and Kennedy's Camelot and honestly, I don't care. We've been deconstructing that era since the 80s and I have no rose-colored memories of it.
The other is the music, besides using modern songs in the 60s, it felt like once or twice an episode everything stops so we can have a music video. The 'I think we're alone now' number in the first season was so, so good and on point I felt like they were trying to replicate it.
So ****/4 stars, enjoyed it but I'm eager to see the new timeline and the Sparrow Academy.
Ohh yeah me and the missus though he was phenomenal in his role.
Him and klaus have carried a huge chunk of the show.
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AduroT wrote: When he takes the mask off and it’s like oh my god I never saw that coming that is an extra level of insanity I was not expecting.
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I kind of gathered he was an alien from the bit with his dying wife and then all the space ships leaving the planet as he palys with a magic jar thingy. But why was he wearing a mask then
I'm certainly hungry for more background on Reggie
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AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
I don't particularly like the Umbrella Academy for several reasons.
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It's very hokey. Superhero stories are overdone to the point of being passe. Especially 'mature' ones.
Spaceboy's CGI/Suit/W/E is awful.
I generally hate time travel.
Everyone is an emotional idiot.
Actually, everyone is juggling idiot balls.
But there are some positives.
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In terms of easily consumable, mindless entertainment, it is fun and actually does pose some interesting questions.
Five and Klaus have killed it since episode 1 with their performances. Especially Klaus. He's a complete ass, but he's brilliant at it.
It's so off the wall that it does have some neat ideas.
The Doomsday reveal in s2 was actually not a bad twist and I did see it coming as soon as Vanya was accused of being Russian, but not before then.
Edit: Overall, in comparison to some other shows I've binged on Netflix (Sabrina...all 3 seasons...don't do it, Altered Carbon) Umbrella Academy is miles better even if it's just an appetizer for The Boys. I don't love it. I won't rewatch it until season 3, but it's so much better than most of what's being created.
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I'm enough of a history nerd that the Soviets in Dallas bothered me more than the time travel and dude with a gorilla body.
The opening battle was what, like 2 weeks after the (none) Kennedy assassination? No way the Soviets had time to advance through Europe much less advance that far into the US.
My working theory is that the Soviets had troops pre-positioned in Cuba. When they saw the video of Vanya they figured America had supermen who had to captured ASAP and did an amphibious landing of Houston advancing into Dallas.
(along with starting WWIII along the European front and nuking a few targets)
The Umbrella Academy's success against the Soviets convinced them the American supermen could not be captures and led to the nuclear strike that ends the opening.
I thought it was better and more consistent than season 1, I liked most of the plot and soem excellent interplay, good music and enjoyed the new powered character as much or more than some of the others.
That being said its irritating (and even called out on the show) how little Alison uses her powers - especially given the situation she found herself in - she could have actually changed the world here - but didn't. I like the actor who played her husband - usually good value ad same here again.
Vanya is just a bit dull (again) and they seemed to veer back and forth on her lovers husband - good guy/bad guy/average guy.
Although never understood the obsession with Kennedy - wasn't he just a womaniser in hoc to the Mafia? Did remind me of the excellent Red Dwarf epsiode where they accidently save him and he destroys America
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The Kennedy family was kinda.....American Royalty.
They where big, well loved and kinda gave off, ironically, an "Everyman" kinda feeling.
Not to mention, Kennedies assasination i think is a big defining moment of the latter half of the century no matter what the man actually was.
And most important to this story, Number 2 is desperate for a big defining world saving heroic moment that defines his personal value. Being able to prevent the Kennedy assassination is an act of almost pure ego for him. He validates himself, his horrific childhood in the name of heroics, and either wins his fathers respect or proves his father wrong with a dash of spite in doing it.
Number 2 is as broken as most of them (Rumor and number 5 are the 2 who seem least traumatized by their childhoods). And this is about as pure an expression of how he is broken as you can get. Which is why he in particular is so obsessed with it.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Finished it last night. For some reason I have this issue with the show where I assume I'm going to get bored of it and find myself loving every minute. Likely just habit from the rest of the Netflix lineup. I waffled on season 1 and burned through it and expected to give up on season 2 until that first episode reminded me how great the show can be.
Great second season, looking forward to seeing where they take it in season 3.
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