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The only time I remember it being explicitly stated that he fought a Primarch is the clone of Horus he faces on Harmony in the Talon of Horus book by ADB. Though I wouldn't exactly say it was one on one either, since he comes with his entire posse of marines who charge at him from all sides before Abbadon gets a good whack at him.
Other than that, he's never come across the loyalists ones so far AFAIK. The Daemon Primarchs, he's seemed to just have made bargains with, outside of Magnus the Red, who seems to have been forced to kneel via Khayon, which implies Abbadon may have fought him in some capacity with Khayon's help.
Abaddon is such a boss he has lackey Daemon Princes to do that sort of thing for him. He strikes me as the kind of guy who, if inclined to kill a Primarch, would blow up the planet they were standing on as the culmination of a long and well thought-out plan.
only clone horus.
throughout the heresy the primarchs only seem to fight each other really. They only seem to get killed by one another, except curze, who's death seems out of sync with the mechanics of the rest of them.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: They only seem to get killed by one another, except curze, who's death seems out of sync with the mechanics of the rest of them.
Curze basically commits suicide by cop, which is why it has such a different feel to other Primarch deaths.
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queen_annes_revenge wrote: only clone horus.
throughout the heresy the primarchs only seem to fight each other really. They only seem to get killed by one another, except curze, who's death seems out of sync with the mechanics of the rest of them.
Curze let himself die via suicide by assassin to get what he felt was a moral victory. If he had wanted to win that fight he could have done so fairly easily.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: only clone horus.
throughout the heresy the primarchs only seem to fight each other really. They only seem to get killed by one another, except curze, who's death seems out of sync with the mechanics of the rest of them.
Curze let himself die via suicide by assassin to get what he felt was a moral victory. If he had wanted to win that fight he could have done so fairly easily.
I think you are splitting hairs there. Everyone knows Kruze took the swan-dive, he saw it coming in his visions and he was suicidal well, well before that, but technically he was killed.
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I just wanted to try and clarify the point that only a primarch could kill another primarch or that it's some how odd that one died outside of a duel with their brothers. Dorn also probably died in a more mundane fight than a duel between two demi gods.
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HoundsofDemos wrote: Dorn also probably died in a more mundane fight than a duel between two demi gods.
Given that only a hand was recovered, he could easily still be alive. I'm sure GW won't pass-up the chance for another $100 model.
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I think a story and context would be more interesting than them fighting in a vacuum, for sure. The only problem being that it would have to be either pivotal, or a stalemate.
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I think an abaddon vs gulliman fight is likely gonna happen
if one looks at the two of them, it's pretty clear to me GW is setting Abaddon and Gulliman up as oppisite numbers.
that's a picture put up for model comparison purposes but if you look at them the base has a similer posing (standing victorious over a crushed opponent from their oppisites legion. with a torch on the base) each has a sword and "fist with built in gun" weapon.
On the other had, did Calgar and Abaddon ever actually FIGHT? if not I could see that finally happening.
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Fighting a primarch one on one would be the kind of arrogant behaviour that Abaddon hates Horus for.
Abaddon 'killed' Rogal Dorn (or at least has MIA presumed deaded him for thousands of years). I believe he got a bunch of Iron Warriors (who died in the process) to do the dirty work for him.
BrianDavion wrote: I think an abaddon vs gulliman fight is likely gonna happen
if one looks at the two of them, it's pretty clear to me GW is setting Abaddon and Gulliman up as oppisite numbers.
that's a picture put up for model comparison purposes but if you look at them the base has a similer posing (standing victorious over a crushed opponent from their oppisites legion. with a torch on the base) each has a sword and "fist with built in gun" weapon.
On the other had, did Calgar and Abaddon ever actually FIGHT? if not I could see that finally happening.
I don't think that they should face off (Guilliman v Abaddon). At least not "til the death" Neither can lose without dramatic consequences for the setting. Both are the head honchos for their factions and Abby just got his model, so he isn't going to lose. They should fight, definitely, but there should be other stakes at hand the prevent either from killing the other
What would be much cooler, is if history were to repeat itself, but with new characters. The Blood Angels have yet to make an appearance on Vigilis, despite being a major Chapter located in the Nihilis segmentum (I think). So it would be very cool if Dante and his BAs show up to battle Abby, Abby and Dante face off and just before Guiiliman arrives, Dante is struck down. This would exactly mirror Horus v Sanguinius and the Emps.
But this time, the Angel is saved at the last minute, albeit grievously injured (hello Primaris upgrade). Guilly has to must an escape to save Dante, so he isn't able to properly smack down Abby.
Just some thoughts I've seen going around.
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Galef wrote:...Guilly has to must an escape to save Dante, so he isn't able to properly smack down Abby...
I wouldn't buy this. I can't imaging Big Rob gives enough of a gak about Dante or any other Chapter Master to let it prevent him from taking out the Warmaster.
KiloFiX wrote:Curze has fought almost every other Primarch though - Peturabo, Fulgrim, Lion, Gulliman, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Corax, Ferrus, Dorn, and almost Magnus
Galef wrote:...Guilly has to must an escape to save Dante, so he isn't able to properly smack down Abby...
I wouldn't buy this. I can't imaging Big Rob gives enough of a gak about Dante or any other Chapter Master to let it prevent him from taking out the Warmaster.
KiloFiX wrote:Curze has fought almost every other Primarch though - Peturabo, Fulgrim, Lion, Gulliman, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Corax, Ferrus, Dorn, and almost Magnus
Interesting. What's his record?
Corax got away from him. He captured Vulkan. The Lion greviously wounded him and captured him. Sanguinius spared him. Everyone else he kinda made angry then escaped.
KiloFiX wrote:Curze has fought almost every other Primarch though - Peturabo, Fulgrim, Lion, Gulliman, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Corax, Ferrus, Dorn, and almost Magnus
Interesting. What's his record?
Corax got away from him. He captured Vulkan. The Lion greviously wounded him and captured him. Sanguinius spared him. Everyone else he kinda made angry then escaped.
So the weaker end of the one-on-one Primarch fisticuffs scale then?
nareik wrote: Fighting a primarch one on one would be the kind of arrogant behaviour that Abaddon hates Horus for.
Abaddon 'killed' Rogal Dorn (or at least has MIA presumed deaded him for thousands of years). I believe he got a bunch of Iron Warriors (who died in the process) to do the dirty work for him.
Am incorrect in that Abaddon is a "normal" marine? Wouldn't a primarch wipe the floor with him?
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nareik wrote: Fighting a primarch one on one would be the kind of arrogant behaviour that Abaddon hates Horus for.
Abaddon 'killed' Rogal Dorn (or at least has MIA presumed deaded him for thousands of years). I believe he got a bunch of Iron Warriors (who died in the process) to do the dirty work for him.
Am incorrect in that Abaddon is a "normal" marine? Wouldn't a primarch wipe the floor with him?
even before the heresy he was an exceptional individual, and now he's got 10k years worth of chaos gifts as the greatest champion of chaos.
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nareik wrote: Fighting a primarch one on one would be the kind of arrogant behaviour that Abaddon hates Horus for.
Abaddon 'killed' Rogal Dorn (or at least has MIA presumed deaded him for thousands of years). I believe he got a bunch of Iron Warriors (who died in the process) to do the dirty work for him.
Am incorrect in that Abaddon is a "normal" marine? Wouldn't a primarch wipe the floor with him?
i think there is a very broad sliding scale for how well aspirants accept their geneseed.
Many reject it totally, either having no effect or suffering adverse side effects. Others accept it, but their growth and efficiency of the implants is stunted, so while they are at a peak level of human physicality they aren't really super human. Many come close to the tabletop typical space marine; very tough and strong with incredible abilities to heal or shrug off injury. A rare few are able to synergise with the geneseed nearly perfectly; taking their development to the absolute maximum of its capacity; stronger, tougher, faster and smarter than 99.99% of line astartes. These individuals become the most renowned chapter masters and champions; Sevatar, Dante and so on.
I see Abaddon as being one of these examples, but as an unaugmented human he already has an impossibly good physique and mind, so after becoming a space marine his potential for growth and development outstripped that of even the most legendary space marines. Add to this his ability to barter for power from chaos without surrendering himself to it, his esoteric collection of artifacts, his ability to muster armies and navies, and the sheer scope of time he has been around to hone his mental and physical abilities I would say he is far beyond any 'normal' space marine.
I suggest he could face up to a weaker primarch tier warrior, but the odds wouldn't be in his favour. He wouldn't want to be in this situation, but if he was he probably would have a plot device artifact to turn the tables. There are certain behaviours the chaos gods expect their champions to engage in; Abaddon may sometime have his hand forced into entering such situations.
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no, but he's already fought to essentially a draw with a woman, so I'm sure if GW ever had him fight a primarch they'd face a little fan conniption if it was even narratively interesting.
Either that or they'll have to pump up his power first. If recent major controversies in various nerd fandoms have made anything clear, people have a major problem in any fantasy setting if a woman can even possibly be construed to be anywhere near the power level of a major male character.
After all, that one time kylo ren took a shot to center mass from a massive laser crossbow that up until that point in the film had instantly killed all the armored soldiers it had been shot at, then he ran around bleeding for 15-20 minutes, then he got into a fight with a dude with basic combat training, barely beat him, took a second to remind the audience he was bleeding out and probably clinging to consciousness, and then he lost the SECOND fight to a woman.
And that was just the end of the fething world.
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