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I ask this, because earlier, I super-glued my fingers together whilst working on metal miniatures, and the previous week, I cut my finger open with a craft knife. And that's probably the 1,018th time I've done that over the last 30 odd years.
And then I look back at a long history of using spray cans without adequate protection for my respiratory system, years of breathing in poly cement,
and various mishaps over the years with paint thinner, hammers, drills, screw-drivers, and the damage to my knees as I crawl around the carpet looking for that tiny, missing part
I once accidentally stabbed myself in the hand with metal lancers from the Napoleonic era
and add to that my precarious mental state, as I impulse buy new releases I don't need, and groan in despair at the stuff that's been sitting around for ten years.
And I look at my hobby room, shelves filled with glues, paints, electric batteries for RC aeroplanes etc etc
and if that stuff blows up, half of my street is going with it
I can't be the only dakka member who's thought that sometimes, this hobby is a health hazard?
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I mean, i've stabbed myself and accidentally jammed pieces of plastic under my fingernails, but I've also done the same while trying to learn to knit! And then there's all the fun burns I have from baking
amazingturtles wrote: I mean, i've stabbed myself and accidentally jammed pieces of plastic under my fingernails, but I've also done the same while trying to learn to knit! And then there's all the fun burns I have from baking
So...
Hobbies. Hobbies are dangerous.
Yeah, but at least with baking, you can eat the stuff you make, and enjoy yourself.
This hobby is insidious. I've always wanted a skaven army, and years ago I tried, I really tried, to get one.
And then I had 30 Clanrats. And each Clanrat was made of 4 pieces = 120 parts. And I sat down to file and glue 120 parts, and I couldn't take it anymore.
I was like Jack Nicolson in The Shining...
This hobby is evil
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JamesY wrote: There is nothing dangerous in the hobby that a bit of patience, will power, and cutting away from yourself can't overcome.
I like a knife sharp enough to shave myself.
But even when you cut away from yourself, with a really sharp knife (and you should never use a blunt blade )
the blade can sometimes catch something and bounce back on you. Probably best to wear gauntlets.
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Desubot wrote: Its about as bad as any tactile hobby honestly.
its basicly about the same as any maker, model train, scale model maker. way "safer" then most home machine or wood shop hobbits as well.
Just use your brain and keep your nose picker safe.
I actually invested in a lathe, a jig, and some power tools for RC modelling, and I tell you, you take your life into your hands, sometimes.
People say other hobbies are safer, but I've tripped over piles of books, come off my bicycle, and got jabbed when moving some cactus.
It's a mad world.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Gluing fingers together and knife cuts is just flesh wounds. Though the stuff in the spray cans is frightening, I also kinda question that polyurethane primer stuff. But the thing is life is kind of dangerous all around. Every time you leave the house you're basically in peril. Some car could veer off and plow you on the sidewalk, it does happen.
I will say though I have decided to stop using rattlecans entirely because the last time I did I ended up feeling strange. And i've also been using this stuff for a decade or so with no protection. I know i've done some damage cause at 25 yo I have more memory problems and concentration issues than I think is normal.
Safer than cave diving... there us a reasonable expectation after each modelling or gaming session that all members of the session will return home alive.
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Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Thargrim wrote: Gluing fingers together and knife cuts is just flesh wounds. Though the stuff in the spray cans is frightening, I also kinda question that polyurethane primer stuff. But the thing is life is kind of dangerous all around. Every time you leave the house you're basically in peril. Some car could veer off and plow you on the sidewalk, it does happen.
I will say though I have decided to stop using rattlecans entirely because the last time I did I ended up feeling strange. And i've also been using this stuff for a decade or so with no protection. I know i've done some damage cause at 25 yo I have more memory problems and concentration issues than I think is normal.
In the last 2-3 years, I've started using brush on primer. The Vallejo range is quite good. I do this mostly because the weather up here is bad, but also for health reasons as well.
I agree with you on spray cans - you don't want that stuff sticking to your lungs
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skchsan wrote: Well technically, you age because you breathe.
If you don't breathe you die.
If you age you die.
Anything in between (like inhaling some spray can fumes) are non-consequential to the ultimate paradox of life.
I'm the first to appreciate deep level philosophy on dakka
so answer me this: why hasn't my pot of goblin green from the 1990s not run out yet? I've used it loads over the years, but it never seems too empty.
But in answer to your point, it's a fair point.
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Flinty wrote: Safer than cave diving... there us a reasonable expectation after each modelling or gaming session that all members of the session will return home alive.
From what I've heard, it rarely happens, and thank God for that, but I have seen people upend tables when they've lost a game of Warhammer...
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Asides there's really no safe hobby - there are dangers in everything in life. Just gotta be sensible, take proper steps to avoid problems and use a bit of experience and foreplanning and keep going onward.
Certainly I'd rank it a pretty safe hobby; possibly a bit more dangerous than book reading but certainly a lot safer than most sports.
I'm the first to appreciate deep level philosophy on dakka
so answer me this: why hasn't my pot of goblin green from the 1990s not run out yet? I've used it loads over the years, but it never seems too empty.
This thread is gold.
I'm still using a pot of Black Ink from 2003, one of the first colors I ever bought (because I didn't know what a wash was). I've painted 3000points of Mordor, 2000points of Moria, and about 4000points of Nurgle with that pod (always washing armor with it). There's still about 1/3 left. Despite it falling over at one point.
I'm the first to appreciate deep level philosophy on dakka
so answer me this: why hasn't my pot of goblin green from the 1990s not run out yet? I've used it loads over the years, but it never seems too empty.
This thread is gold.
I'm still using a pot of Black Ink from 2003, one of the first colors I ever bought (because I didn't know what a wash was). I've painted 3000points of Mordor, 2000points of Moria, and about 4000points of Nurgle with that pod (always washing armor with it). There's still about 1/3 left. Despite it falling over at one point.
I have a theory about this. Years ago in some issue of White Dwarf, I think it was Andy Chambers or Rick Priestly, they were saying that back in the day, not a lot of people worked at GWHQ. So at busy times like Christmas, a games designer might have to help out in the warehouse with packing or unloading, because they were short staffed.
So maybe there was a problem with paint production, say staff shortage, and the God Emperor himself, Rick Priestly, made that pot of goblin green and your of of black ink.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
My only issue with stabbing myself is when I bleed so badly that I have to stop building whatever model I'm working on to avoid the blood getting on it.
If I can seal it off with super glue and carry on, it's not a problem.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: My only issue with stabbing myself is when I bleed so badly that I have to stop building whatever model I'm working on to avoid the blood getting on it.
If I can seal it off with super glue and carry on, it's not a problem.
That's pretty hardcore - sealing your wounds with super-glue.
For my own part, I've noticed that over the years, my thumbs and the tips of my fingers have become knife-proof. Probably due to repeated cuts building up some resistance.
On the subject of glue, I remember back in the day with the old Airfix kits, and the glue they used to flog. God Almighty, that stuff could raise the dead!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
The worst knife injury I've ever received came from trying to scrape some sprue bits that were stuck on a Necron Warrior head. So bad that the doctor almost wanted me to get stitches.
Otherwise plastic glue eventually comes off your fingers.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
I've nicked my fingers here and there with a blade tip, one or two cuts but no real damage. Sharp blade cuts tend to knit back together fairly quick.
Worst I had was when my scalpel slipped off my desk and managed to flip itself over point down (which is really odd because its the old GW one with the big heavy handle) and stab my thigh all the way into the blade. Thankfully the blades are fairly short and oddly it really knitted up fast - I thought it was going to be my first "grab some darn superglue to stop the annoying flow" situations.
That said it went deep enough that I think it hit muscle because that cut felt really odd and grating for a while till it fully healed up.
Azreal13 wrote: My only issue with stabbing myself is when I bleed so badly that I have to stop building whatever model I'm working on to avoid the blood getting on it.
If I can seal it off with super glue and carry on, it's not a problem.
That's pretty hardcore - sealing your wounds with super-glue. !
But but but... that's what it's for. And certainly better at it than sticking metal minis together
Please excuse any spelling errors. I use a tablet frequently and software keyboards are a pain!
Azreal13 wrote: My only issue with stabbing myself is when I bleed so badly that I have to stop building whatever model I'm working on to avoid the blood getting on it.
If I can seal it off with super glue and carry on, it's not a problem.
That's pretty hardcore - sealing your wounds with super-glue.
It's what cyanoacrylate was developed for. Strictly speaking one shouldn't use hobby glue because it isn't sterile, but for superficial, clean cuts from a scalpel I think the odds of infection are pretty low. Stings a bit, but it's really effective, stops the bleeding instantly, and the 'callous' the glue forms really protects the cut if it's part of a finger you're using to hold things in place etc.. Don't get the impression I'm doing it on a weekly basis or anything, but I've done it once or twice in the last year. Fortunately experience does seem to help reduce accidental cuts, at least in my case.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: It's what cyanoacrylate was developed for. Strictly speaking one shouldn't use hobby glue because it isn't sterile, but for superficial, clean cuts from a scalpel I think the odds of infection are pretty low. Stings a bit, but it's really effective, stops the bleeding instantly, and the 'callous' the glue forms really protects the cut if it's part of a finger you're using to hold things in place etc.. Don't get the impression I'm doing it on a weekly basis or anything, but I've done it once or twice in the last year. Fortunately experience does seem to help reduce accidental cuts, at least in my case.
I'm surprised more people don't do this! My mom actually always kept super glue around for the sole purpose of sealing up little cuts. She hates bandages on her fingers. I... was never quite sold on it as a kid.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I ask this, because earlier, I super-glued my fingers together whilst working on metal miniatures, and the previous week, I cut my finger open with a craft knife. And that's probably the 1,018th time I've done that over the last 30 odd years.
And then I look back at a long history of using spray cans without adequate protection for my respiratory system, years of breathing in poly cement,
and various mishaps over the years with paint thinner, hammers, drills, screw-drivers, and the damage to my knees as I crawl around the carpet looking for that tiny, missing part
I once accidentally stabbed myself in the hand with metal lancers from the Napoleonic era
and add to that my precarious mental state, as I impulse buy new releases I don't need, and groan in despair at the stuff that's been sitting around for ten years.
And I look at my hobby room, shelves filled with glues, paints, electric batteries for RC aeroplanes etc etc
and if that stuff blows up, half of my street is going with it
I can't be the only dakka member who's thought that sometimes, this hobby is a health hazard?
It depends how you go about it i would think, like when using spray cans if you have your face fully covered with complete ventilation then that wouldn't matter at all, unless your very paranoid and you think little tiny fragments of spray over the years have some how gotten in to your body, but you would get more chemicals i would think with just a 1 hour walk out in the streets. And same with all other things, if you go about it in a safe thought out manner then there shouldn't be any issues to your health. Just think about people that work with knives there whole lives with no bad injury and then compare it with wargaming and you can conclude wargaming is not bad for your health at all. But i don't think there's one hobby that doesn't have the potential or no matter how minimal to cause some harm, so its how you go about it.
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With this hobby, though. ROHS regs in civilised parts of the world have done a fair bit to decrease risks to life. Toluene isn't used in as many "hobby" products as it used to for example. It's a carcinogen (nowhere near as bad as MEK or hexavalent chromium, but still bad.)
Polycement (I use Revell's contacta, for example) switched from a toluene solvent base to an n-butyl acetate (which isn't AS active on polystyrene, but it still works). What it's crap for now is "cutting" squadron green putty (which still uses toluene). When they both used it, you could thin the putty with polycement and paint it into cracks and it would dry very had and could be drilled and filed and still didn't shrink as much as GWs "liquid greenstuff".
Testors dullcote uses a different (non toluene) carrier. It took them a while to get the formulation back to "true flat" as a result.
Paying attention to even BASIC personal protection will do a lot.
Don't huff paint or glue fumes.
Don't grind up your minis and do lines.
Wash your hands after handling metal minis.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
The angle you've asked the question from is the problem, and ridiculous.
Is it dangerous to make and play with toy soldiers?
People have dropped dead playing Wii with their kids.
I've been making minis and models for 25 years. and yet the worst injury I've had in that time was slicing the end of my finger off cutting a radish for my wife's lunch.
Compare to that, my house was built in 1930's NZ, which means it's pretty much certain to be built with asbestos, and I've been doing DIY since I bought it 15 months ago. That's a shedload of drilling, cutting and sanding asbestos walls, even before you add in the chemicals from MDF, pallet wood and chipboard.
I grew up on a main road near London, and with both my parents smoking constantly way into my late teens.
I've used way harsher chemicals in every day life than I ever have in the hobby - do you know combining the wrong bathroom cleaning chemicals makes chlorine gas? Not to mention finding WW1 weapons-grade chemicals in my garage which it turns out was just widely used in NZ as a borer treatment.
So, yeah, sure, cutting myself with a knife or breathing a bit of glue could be harmful.
PossumCraft wrote: The angle you've asked the question from is the problem, and ridiculous.
I read it as a light hearted and fun comment on hobby accidents, albeit with a serious note on how we neglect to protect ourselves from aerosols. Maybe I've taken my personal policy of assuming things are tongue in cheek if I'm not sure too far! To the detriment of my own health no less, hopefully I don't hit an artery next time I partake in my addiction.
On the OP. I've managed to get far more scars (and almost falling off of cliffs) from my other hobby of camping and hiking. Which is part of my job now (geologists do field work). Not to mention the chemicals I've worked with in the lab, fume hoods only do so much and milling rocks to powder means I've breathed in a fair amount of granite.
I suppose it would be healthier to go exercise instead of hobby, but I would probably sit on my ass (in a far less productive/creative manner) either way.
I stood on a gretchin whilst playing floorhammer, the spike off his helmet stuck in my foot and I didn't realise it for a few days, just thought the pain was from being spiked. Long soak in a bowl of water, tweezers and a bit of coercion with my craft knife (skin had closed over it) sorted that out.
I have had lots of shallow cuts, and once dropped a craft knife onto my leg, naturally blade down.
Probably breathed in various fumes that I shouldn't have.
Overall I don't think war gaming is particularly bad for your health, bad for your wallet however but that's another matter entirely.
I've been playing a while, my first model was a lead marine and my first White Dwarf was bound with staples
I mostly worry about whether I have enough ventilation. Fumes might be a problem, but I am more concerned by all of the sanding with plastic, metal, and resin, and there's a little concern about spray from the airbrush.
For accidental cuts, I have had a much better history with wargames than with cooking.
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