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Is 40k cars a lot of inventory for a global company to have in stock or transit? Many of the legacy car makes have six months of backstock sitting in lots, not even in dealers lots yet. I'm not sure if you can find numbers for who has what percentage of stock sitting in lots, but I'd bet Teslas by percentage is very low. Probably mostly Xs and Ss. People are waiting for them to get upgrades.

When I looked it up, there were lots of articles about how worried the legacy automakers are about the amount of inventory they are sitting on.

https://www.autonews.com/sales/near-record-inventories-pinch-dealers

and also logical explanations for a the tesla invebtory.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/03/09/breaking-down-teslas-inventory-increase.aspx

And lets not pretend that Tesla is the only company that changes and drops pricing on cars. Trying to buy a car the traditional always feels like you are haggling at a bazaar, and you know in a month there is going to be some new rebate, or incentive. Legacy car makers change the pricing on their cars all the time.

This is one of those remarks I don't understand. "Tesla has a problem" Not really, not compared to what everyone else is doing. Why point these things out like they are exclusively issues for Tesla?

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Is 40k cars a lot of inventory for a global company to have in stock or transit? Many of the legacy car makes have six months of backstock sitting in lots, not even in dealers lots yet.

It is a lot because, for starters, they only make 3 models with very limited trim options.

And of course, because no other manufacturer out there claims to be supply constrained.

So, that claim is demonstrably BS.

jouso wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Is 40k cars a lot of inventory for a global company to have in stock or transit? Many of the legacy car makes have six months of backstock sitting in lots, not even in dealers lots yet.

It is a lot because, for starters, they only make 3 models with very limited trim options.

And of course, because no other manufacturer out there claims to be supply constrained.

So, that claim is demonstrably BS.

Ha, lets look at it 40k cars to put it in perspective. Even if that was stock only in the US that on average 800 cars per state unsold, thats 267 of each car on average. On average each state has what 5 major cities, thats 54 of each car per metro area. Break it down further by trim level as each tesla has at least 3 trim levels or more and we have 18 of each car per trim level......yep thats a ton. I can go down the street to any of the dealerships in my area and I most likely find more than that in my podunk nothing of a city (Sharon PA) And again thats if all 40k are in just the US. Thats nothing.

in q2 The company delivered 95,200 vehicles, producing 87,048 cars.

Every quarter since q3 2018 tesla has been hovering just below 100k cars sold. So 40K cars represents less than a one month supply. Other manufacturers are sitting on 3 to six months of supplies. How long does it take to get a product from factory to customer?

How many Models does Chrysler make right now?

 Andrew1975 wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Is 40k cars a lot of inventory for a global company to have in stock or transit? Many of the legacy car makes have six months of backstock sitting in lots, not even in dealers lots yet.

It is a lot because, for starters, they only make 3 models with very limited trim options.

And of course, because no other manufacturer out there claims to be supply constrained.

So, that claim is demonstrably BS.

Ha, lets look at it 40k cars to put it in perspective.

BYD, a Chinese manufacturer which makes both electric and ICE cars, with a similar yearly production of 300-somethingK but several more models and substantially more engine options has less than those units in stock (or at least used to, I don't have data for the last quarters and the Chinese market has been rough)

The perspective is Tesla doesn't sell all they make, simple as that.

You can find new Teslas for sale which were manufactured in early '19, that Tesla can't find buyers for despite selling them for substantially less that their price last year.

jouso wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

jouso wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Is 40k cars a lot of inventory for a global company to have in stock or transit? Many of the legacy car makes have six months of backstock sitting in lots, not even in dealers lots yet.

It is a lot because, for starters, they only make 3 models with very limited trim options.

And of course, because no other manufacturer out there claims to be supply constrained.

So, that claim is demonstrably BS.

Ha, lets look at it 40k cars to put it in perspective.

BYD, a Chinese manufacturer which makes both electric and ICE cars, with a similar yearly production of 300-somethingK but several more models and substantially more engine options has less than those units in stock (or at least used to, I don't have data for the last quarters and the Chinese market has been rough)

The perspective is Tesla doesn't sell all they make, simple as that.

You can find new Teslas for sale which were manufactured in early '19, that Tesla can't find buyers for despite selling them for substantially less that their price last year.

Yes please I would like to see some data. please account for vehicles in shipment and freight containers as I'm not if they ship their products around the world. I mean i just showed you a quarter where Tesla actually sold more cars than it produces...so I would really enjoy seeing some actual supported data.

I'm not sure exactly what older cars you are talking about.....I was able to get a showroom car with 2800 miles on it, they dropped 7800 off the price. Is this what you are talking about? Or are you talking exclusively about model X and S...which make up a very small percentage of what Tesla sells anymore. The demand for x and s are not that high people don't want the older none Raven versions. The Model 3 however sells as fast as they can make them.

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

Lego is onboard with the new truck:
https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/27/legos-take-on-the-tesla-cybertruck-comes-with-innovative-roof-racks/

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

So Tesla has stepped up and asked Ford to do the competition and Ford has been absolutely silent.....so OPPPS on Ford. They need to back up the talk or shut up. Sounds like a Ford exec bit off more than he can chew.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/teslas-elon-musk-says-yes-to-fords-f-150-cybertruck-challenge/

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

Come on, surely the Tesla fanboys won't selectively ignore data...

Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

So Tesla has stepped up and asked Ford to do the competition and Ford has been absolutely silent.....so OPPPS on Ford. They need to back up the talk or shut up. Sounds like a Ford exec bit off more than he can chew.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/teslas-elon-musk-says-yes-to-fords-f-150-cybertruck-challenge/

... huh. Well, I'll be damned.

What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

So Tesla has stepped up and asked Ford to do the competition and Ford has been absolutely silent.....so OPPPS on Ford. They need to back up the talk or shut up. Sounds like a Ford exec bit off more than he can chew.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/teslas-elon-musk-says-yes-to-fords-f-150-cybertruck-challenge/

Here's how Ford competes: show Tesla it's income statement and say "companies that made a profit last year, raise their hand."


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 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market.

Humvee?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

So Tesla has stepped up and asked Ford to do the competition and Ford has been absolutely silent.....so OPPPS on Ford. They need to back up the talk or shut up. Sounds like a Ford exec bit off more than he can chew.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/teslas-elon-musk-says-yes-to-fords-f-150-cybertruck-challenge/

Here's how Ford competes: show Tesla it's income statement and say "companies that made a profit last year, raise their hand."


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 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market.

Humvee?

nope Humvees max out around 10,000 pounds for towing.

Meh, Tesla is in growth stage, they just built a couple of factories this year. We could play this game all day

Who didn't shut down a factory this year?
Who still makes sedans? (Ford has publicly stated they can not compete with the accord or camry, they will no longer make sedans)
Who outsold The honda accord or Toyota Camry this year? (no telsa did not outsell Honda civic or Toyota Camery in total.....but in California the largest automobile market in the US they did!)
Who released and marketed and advertised an EV and got 15,000 reservations total?
Who released with no marketing or advertising an EV and got 250,000 reservation in a week?

We really only need look at the number of delivered vehicles to see the winners here.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
We really only need look at the number of delivered vehicles to see the winners here.

Shhhh, only certain metrics are allowed. The Ford pull was a one sided contest set up specifically to fluff the Tesla, it's why other large trucks aren't even being challenged in this.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/cybertruck-faced-off-ford-f-183338252.html


Ooooops.

That won't affect the fanbois at all. . . . And at any rate, doesn't Ram currently boast about having "best in class" towing/torque/horsepower and all that? . . funny how Tesla doesn't touch them.

So Tesla has stepped up and asked Ford to do the competition and Ford has been absolutely silent.....so OPPPS on Ford. They need to back up the talk or shut up. Sounds like a Ford exec bit off more than he can chew.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/teslas-elon-musk-says-yes-to-fords-f-150-cybertruck-challenge/

Here's how Ford competes: show Tesla it's income statement and say "companies that made a profit last year, raise their hand."


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 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market.

Humvee?

nope Humvees max out around 10,000 pounds for towing.

Meh, Tesla is in growth stage, they just built a couple of factories this year. We could play this game all day

Who didn't shut down a factory this year?
Who still makes sedans? (Ford has publicly stated they can not compete with the accord or camry, they will no longer make sedans)
Who outsold The honda accord or Toyota Camry this year? (no telsa did not outsell Honda civic or Toyota Camery in total.....but in California the largest automobile market in the US they did!)
Who released and marketed and advertised an EV and got 15,000 reservations total?
Who released with no marketing or advertising an EV and got 250,000 reservation in a week?

Who made a profit this year?

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

Slipspace wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

All of what you say is true. . . but one would think that if Tesla actually wanted to be remotely taken seriously, they would've chosen a better example than a stripped down base model that only has 2WD, and the smallest engine offered by the company.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

All of what you say is true. . . but one would think that if Tesla actually wanted to be remotely taken seriously, they would've chosen a better example than a stripped down base model that only has 2WD, and the smallest engine offered by the company.

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

All of what you say is true. . . but one would think that if Tesla actually wanted to be remotely taken seriously, they would've chosen a better example than a stripped down base model that only has 2WD, and the smallest engine offered by the company.

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

I think the type of person that buys one is the type of person that would scream if you dropped masonry blocks into its bed.

EDIT: Your fanboyism is making me want to trash them.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

When the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine is under the hood of the 2018 Ford Super Duty F-350 SRW its maximum towing capacity with 4WD or 2WD and either the 3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio is 18,000 pounds and its max payload rating is 4,710 pounds when equipped with 4WD.

from: https://www.sleepyhollowauto.com/blog/2018-ford-super-duty-f-350-srw-towing-payload-capacities/

Almost twice what the Tesla pulls.

 CptJake wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

When the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine is under the hood of the 2018 Ford Super Duty F-350 SRW its maximum towing capacity with 4WD or 2WD and either the 3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio is 18,000 pounds and its max payload rating is 4,710 pounds when equipped with 4WD.

from: https://www.sleepyhollowauto.com/blog/2018-ford-super-duty-f-350-srw-towing-payload-capacities/

Almost twice what the Tesla pulls.

in what world is 18,000 almost twice 14,000. and again in order to do that it must be equipped with the with the dual rear wheels....as I said "Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?"
also in order to get the 6.7 turbodeisel.....you are STARTING at $83,600. Far above even the most expensive Tesla Truck.

As for going after RAM https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/03/tesla-cybertruck-vs-ram-1500/


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

All of what you say is true. . . but one would think that if Tesla actually wanted to be remotely taken seriously, they would've chosen a better example than a stripped down base model that only has 2WD, and the smallest engine offered by the company.

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

I think the type of person that buys one is the type of person that would scream if you dropped masonry blocks into its bed.

EDIT: Your fanboyism is making me want to trash them.

Most people who drive an f150 or any truck would scream if you dropped masonry blocks in the bed. The 3mm stainless stainless steel bed of the Tesla truck laughs at your masonry blocks by the way, or sledgehammers...pretty much whatever you want to throw in it.

The major issues i see with towing large loads with the Tesla truck could be range. Every truck loses range when towing heavy loads, but over long distances it will be easier to find a diesel station, also I don't know how accomodating most tesla chargers are to trucks towing a long load.....I've not seen one that would really accommodate a giant trailer.

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

When the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine is under the hood of the 2018 Ford Super Duty F-350 SRW its maximum towing capacity with 4WD or 2WD and either the 3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio is 18,000 pounds and its max payload rating is 4,710 pounds when equipped with 4WD.

from: https://www.sleepyhollowauto.com/blog/2018-ford-super-duty-f-350-srw-towing-payload-capacities/

Almost twice what the Tesla pulls.

in what world is 18,000 almost twice 14,000. and again in order to do that it must be equipped with the with the dual rear wheels....as I said "Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?"
also in order to get the 6.7 turbodeisel.....you are STARTING at $83,600. Far above even the most expensive Tesla Truck.

As for going after RAM https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/03/tesla-cybertruck-vs-ram-1500/

No, My link was very specifically to the SINGLE REAR WHEEL F350. That would be what the SRW in the link stands for. And at https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/cybertruck/2021/tesla-cybertruck-electric-pickup-photos-info/ I see the towing capacity of the Tesla listed at "With a single motor, maximum tow capacity will be about 7,500 pounds and payload about 3,500 pounds. Mid-level dual-motor Cybertrucks can carry 3,500 pounds in the bed and tow 10,000 pounds. Cybertrucks with the larger, stacked battery and three-motors should be able to tow about 14,000 pounds and haul 3,500 pounds. " I used the mid range of 10k pounds when I said almost twice. I figured if I couldn't max out the Ford and go the DRW route, why should I max out the Tesla?

As for price? Did I mention the cost? No, I disputed your statement that no SRW truck could out tow a Tesla. You are wrong. Move the goal posts all you want. The SRW F350 out tows the even the maxed out Tesla by 2 tons.

Interestingly enough, I have a DRW, not because of added towing capacity, but because the DRW gives a lot more stability when towing. Love to see the Tesla with a 30ft goose neck flat trailer with 250 hay bales stacked on it. The shorter and narrower wheel base is gonna make towing that load a bitch, and weight has nothing to do with it. My F350 towed that easily two weekends ago.

 CptJake wrote:


Interestingly enough, I have a DRW, not because of added towing capacity, but because the DRW gives a lot more stability when towing. Love to see the Tesla with a 30ft goose neck flat trailer with 250 hay bales stacked on it. The shorter and narrower wheel base is gonna make towing that load a bitch, and weight has nothing to do with it. My F350 towed that easily two weekends ago.

Face it, no one who is going to be towing hay bales and other long trailers around is going to be doing it with a Tesla. . . . But at the same time, you or I will never be heard by the Tesla fanbois

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

When the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine is under the hood of the 2018 Ford Super Duty F-350 SRW its maximum towing capacity with 4WD or 2WD and either the 3.31 or 3.55 axle ratio is 18,000 pounds and its max payload rating is 4,710 pounds when equipped with 4WD.

from: https://www.sleepyhollowauto.com/blog/2018-ford-super-duty-f-350-srw-towing-payload-capacities/

Almost twice what the Tesla pulls.

in what world is 18,000 almost twice 14,000. and again in order to do that it must be equipped with the with the dual rear wheels....as I said "Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?"
also in order to get the 6.7 turbodeisel.....you are STARTING at $83,600. Far above even the most expensive Tesla Truck.

As for going after RAM https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/03/tesla-cybertruck-vs-ram-1500/


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 Frazzled wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
What data am I missing. Ford called Teslas test unfair....Tesla offered Ford any test they want.....Ford went silent. Sounds like you are missing something.

The Tesla Cybetruck will also out tow any truck with 4 wheels on the market. The most powerful 4 wheel truck right now I believe is the f-150 at around 13,000 pounds. Cybertruck is 14,000 pounds. There are trucks that can tow more....but they all require duallies to accomplish it.

Engineering Explained did an interesting video on the Tesla tow which shows that all it really proves is which truck is heavier. They break down the maths behind it in quite a bit of detail. I mean, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that this is just a publicity stunt, exactly like the one with the F-150 pulling 1,000,000 of railway cargo containers. It's a meaningless PR stunt along the lines of Sony saying the PS2 would let us jack into the Matrix (or was that the PS3?).

All of what you say is true. . . but one would think that if Tesla actually wanted to be remotely taken seriously, they would've chosen a better example than a stripped down base model that only has 2WD, and the smallest engine offered by the company.

Publicity stunts work...shocking. I think it was brilliant. Tesla got ford to mouth off, then back down. Tesla said bring it on, I'm sure they will take on any takers. The reason they chose the f150 is its the best selling truck in the US. Man you haters are hilarious.

Do any of you actually think any truck besides a dually will be able to out pull the Tesla?

I think the type of person that buys one is the type of person that would scream if you dropped masonry blocks into its bed.

EDIT: Your fanboyism is making me want to trash them.

Most people who drive an f150 or any truck would scream if you dropped masonry blocks in the bed. The 3mm stainless stainless steel bed of the Tesla truck laughs at your masonry blocks by the way, or sledgehammers...pretty much whatever you want to throw in it.

The major issues i see with towing large loads with the Tesla truck could be range. Every truck loses range when towing heavy loads, but over long distances it will be easier to find a diesel station, also I don't know how accomodating most tesla chargers are to trucks towing a long load.....I've not seen one that would really accommodate a giant trailer.

Did you NOT see that the author to your vaunted Dodge vs Tesla article is a freaking TESLA SHAREHOLDER?!?!?!?!? Starting to see a trend with your "unbiased" sources...

I'm not a fan of EVs. Most of the pure electrics that have been hyped and released into the mass market have been busts. Tesla has been the main exception to this.

And while I'm supportive of Elon Musk's ventures in the commercialization of space and space exploration, I'm not sold on his cars and trucks. It will be decades before self driving becomes a thing, and his electric vehicles have a tendency to burst into flames from battery fires. Even when cold, not charging, and at rest. Tesla defenders will point out the fires that sometimes happens in both hybrids and ICE vehicles. But when looked at proportionally, the black mark goes to the Tesla. And the company isn't fessing up that there might be a problem with their cars and SUVs (which are made in the People's Republic of China, by the way).

Add to that, there has been one death attributed to the computer-controlled, automated crap on higher end Teslas (a man in the United States was killed by his car's automatic doors).


When it comes to electric powered cars, hybrids are the best compromise right now, in terms of safety, practicality, and costs.


Either way, I'll stick with my gas burning cars and SUVs for the time being. I'm getting old and set in my ways.

 oldravenman3025 wrote:


When it comes to electric powered cars, hybrids are the best compromise right now, in terms of safety, practicality, and costs.

While I don't want to get too much into the other parts of your post (I think we've long since passed the point of reasonable debate about Tesla thanks to a certain poster's attitude) I do want to say that the above is not entirely accurate. Hybrids are certainly more practical. Not sure about safer, unless you're talking about Teslas, as every other EV, as far as I can tell, has had a vanishingly small number of battery-related safety issues. Hybrids aren't cheaper though. We looked into this when we were looking at getting an EV and hybrids are in this weird place where they're more expensive than ICE cars (not quite on the same level as EVs. though) and also have the running costs associated with both. We weren't 100% decided on getting an EV, hybrid or regular ICE car but once we started looking seriously the very first option we discounted was a hybrid.

That's what I am seeing.
Hybrids have both sets of parts to go wrong. Batteries add weight and complexity, while only adding a bit of benefit.
The pros do not weigh enough to balance the cons, for me at the moment.

Either a 'clean' petrol car, or a full-EV.

It depends on how much you drive. For me, when I bought my Honda Insight this year, I ran the numbers. In under five years I will save the difference in price between the Insight and the Civic in savings on gas. But then, I drive 15000-20000 miles a year.

 Andrew1975 wrote:


Every quarter since q3 2018 tesla has been hovering just below 100k cars sold. So 40K cars represents less than a one month supply. Other manufacturers are sitting on 3 to six months of supplies. How long does it take to get a product from factory to customer?

How many Models does Chrysler make right now?

I don't know, but FCA (Fiat, Chryler, Jeep, Ram, Alfa, etc.) have 44 days of inventory (https://www.gurufocus.com/term/InventoryTurnover/FCAU/Inventory+Turnover/Fiat+Chrysler+Automobiles+NV)

As per last filed quarterly figures Tesla has 62 days inventory (https://www.gurufocus.com/term/InventoryTurnover/TSLA/Inventory%252BTurnover/Tesla%2BInc)

BMW has 71, but other multinational groups like Renault or Subaru have 52.

We're talking groups with significantly more models, trims and operations in more countries than Tesla.