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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/04 14:27:48
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Furious Fire Dragon
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terry wrote: mokoshkana wrote:Valid points above, but I think there is a difference between things that come from WHFB and things from AOS. Beastclaw are from AOS, not holdovers from WHFB that initially/eventually got clipped. Here are the Ogre plastic kits:
Grots (Displays WHFB box on site)
Scraplauncher/Ironblaster
Ogres
Leadbelchers (Displays WHFB box on site)
Ironguts (Displays WHFB box on site, but showcased in the Ogor Tyrant reveal)
Aleguzzler Gargant
Ogor Tyrant (new kit)
And BCR kits:
Thundertusk/Stonehorn
Mournfang Pack
I would think the kits above (perhaps sans the WHFB variants should they disappear) would make a decent joined army. BCR adds cavalry/behemoth options to the gutbusters ground game.
all the beastclaw raider kits came from the WHFB ogre kingdoms, they haven't gotten a single new kit in AoS
I guess I should hold off on getting two more BCR starters then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/05 00:26:27
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Da Boss wrote:AoS is just not the game for people who want a more generic, historically inspired fantasy game. It is over the top and high magic, and I would not expect any of the stuff from the old game to last forever. Best to get what you want when you can and then find a game that has a style that you like.
ITs gonna be a badarse rpg too, C7 knows their stuff and the over the top and multipart kits will make for amazing characters... IMO Automatically Appended Next Post: mokoshkana wrote:terry wrote: mokoshkana wrote:Valid points above, but I think there is a difference between things that come from WHFB and things from AOS. Beastclaw are from AOS, not holdovers from WHFB that initially/eventually got clipped. Here are the Ogre plastic kits:
Grots (Displays WHFB box on site)
Scraplauncher/Ironblaster
Ogres
Leadbelchers (Displays WHFB box on site)
Ironguts (Displays WHFB box on site, but showcased in the Ogor Tyrant reveal)
Aleguzzler Gargant
Ogor Tyrant (new kit)
And BCR kits:
Thundertusk/Stonehorn
Mournfang Pack
I would think the kits above (perhaps sans the WHFB variants should they disappear) would make a decent joined army. BCR adds cavalry/behemoth options to the gutbusters ground game.
all the beastclaw raider kits came from the WHFB ogre kingdoms, they haven't gotten a single new kit in AoS
I guess I should hold off on getting two more BCR starters then.
I managed to trade off two getting started BCR;s and an additional 2 mournfangs for 20 chainrasps and 10 reapers  considering myself very lucky
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/05 02:06:34
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Furious Fire Dragon
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thekingofkings wrote: Da Boss wrote:AoS is just not the game for people who want a more generic, historically inspired fantasy game. It is over the top and high magic, and I would not expect any of the stuff from the old game to last forever. Best to get what you want when you can and then find a game that has a style that you like.
ITs gonna be a badarse rpg too, C7 knows their stuff and the over the top and multipart kits will make for amazing characters... IMO
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mokoshkana wrote:terry wrote: mokoshkana wrote:Valid points above, but I think there is a difference between things that come from WHFB and things from AOS. Beastclaw are from AOS, not holdovers from WHFB that initially/eventually got clipped. Here are the Ogre plastic kits:
Grots (Displays WHFB box on site)
Scraplauncher/Ironblaster
Ogres
Leadbelchers (Displays WHFB box on site)
Ironguts (Displays WHFB box on site, but showcased in the Ogor Tyrant reveal)
Aleguzzler Gargant
Ogor Tyrant (new kit)
And BCR kits:
Thundertusk/Stonehorn
Mournfang Pack
I would think the kits above (perhaps sans the WHFB variants should they disappear) would make a decent joined army. BCR adds cavalry/behemoth options to the gutbusters ground game.
all the beastclaw raider kits came from the WHFB ogre kingdoms, they haven't gotten a single new kit in AoS
I guess I should hold off on getting two more BCR starters then.
I managed to trade off two getting started BCR;s and an additional 2 mournfangs for 20 chainrasps and 10 reapers  considering myself very lucky 
Cool story bro? I mean, there isn't a confirmation that BCR is going away, so you could end up looking silly in the long run if they don't. I'm just saying I'm not going all in at the moment with potential unknowns.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/05 03:18:32
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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mokoshkana wrote: thekingofkings wrote: Da Boss wrote:AoS is just not the game for people who want a more generic, historically inspired fantasy game. It is over the top and high magic, and I would not expect any of the stuff from the old game to last forever. Best to get what you want when you can and then find a game that has a style that you like.
ITs gonna be a badarse rpg too, C7 knows their stuff and the over the top and multipart kits will make for amazing characters... IMO
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mokoshkana wrote:terry wrote: mokoshkana wrote:Valid points above, but I think there is a difference between things that come from WHFB and things from AOS. Beastclaw are from AOS, not holdovers from WHFB that initially/eventually got clipped. Here are the Ogre plastic kits:
Grots (Displays WHFB box on site)
Scraplauncher/Ironblaster
Ogres
Leadbelchers (Displays WHFB box on site)
Ironguts (Displays WHFB box on site, but showcased in the Ogor Tyrant reveal)
Aleguzzler Gargant
Ogor Tyrant (new kit)
And BCR kits:
Thundertusk/Stonehorn
Mournfang Pack
I would think the kits above (perhaps sans the WHFB variants should they disappear) would make a decent joined army. BCR adds cavalry/behemoth options to the gutbusters ground game.
all the beastclaw raider kits came from the WHFB ogre kingdoms, they haven't gotten a single new kit in AoS
I guess I should hold off on getting two more BCR starters then.
I managed to trade off two getting started BCR;s and an additional 2 mournfangs for 20 chainrasps and 10 reapers  considering myself very lucky 
Cool story bro? I mean, there isn't a confirmation that BCR is going away, so you could end up looking silly in the long run if they don't. I'm just saying I'm not going all in at the moment with potential unknowns.
I wanted to get rid of them due to model size and points costs, I only do skirmish and warcry and was looking for small odds and ends, 30 models is a good number more than i was hoping for
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 18:58:11
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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I don't think anyone should be worrying about the plastic BCR models going anywhere. They had a 1.0 tome and are plastic. They also fit with the aesthetic of a battletome we know that is coming.
I don't think any of the models that have been squatted have had all the above mentioned going for them. I'd rate it at a less than 1% that the BCR plastic models are not just rolled into the new Ogre tome.
You can buy them worry free, IMO.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/06 21:21:20
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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Yeah, I would consider anything that received a 1.0 tome to be safe.
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2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/07 20:54:46
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Updated with links to the two Bonereaper articles as well as adding in the release confirmation for Free Cities and Orruks are confirmed today, both being before Bonereapers (which are confirmed as October).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/08 09:51:55
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Fixture of Dakka
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Didnt GW openly say at Nova BCR are in the new Orruk book? lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/08 14:51:04
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Nope, they're with the Mawtribes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/09 07:16:26
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Dakka Veteran
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Orruk book would be a strange place for them, while a ogors books will come
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/09/09 11:48:10
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Fixture of Dakka
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I meant the Ogre book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/10/05 19:27:41
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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I've updated the listing now with the release of the two new Battletomes. I've also added the rumour that Ogres will be released in 2019 and a link to the summary details on the "missing" greater demons on the forgeworld website.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/10/20 20:03:01
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Updated with the Feast of Bones release information. Also updated the battletome count. Including FW armies there's now 20 2.0 Battletomes and only 4 old tomes and 1 army without a tomb. Accepting that Everchosen (old) and Slaves to Darkness (never) get combined that only means 4 more battletomes for AoS to move fully to 2.0 for existing armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/01 18:31:19
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Updated with date and link to the new Slaves to Darkness info that went up today!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/02 14:18:33
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Charging Dragon Prince
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Was there any hint of what the next or new army could be?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/02 14:28:14
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Knight wrote:Was there any hint of what the next or new army could be?
not that I know of, but its either something new or one of the following:
tzeentch
seraphon
kharadon overlords
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 12:53:20
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Charging Dragon Prince
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Easily enough material for 4 - 6 months of releases, maybe they'll release a new army between. I hope Tzeench finally gets his endless spells.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 13:02:26
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I don't think they'll take 4-6 months over those, more like 2-3 months if they stick to the rough 1 Tome a month pattern that they've had up till now (on average). Yes Seraphon and KO could easily have bigger releases with updated models for the Seraphon and new models for the KO, but at the same time GW can keep them functional with just a battletome.
Getting armies to 2.0 is more important right now than updating all the models. Getting armies to 2.0 means that they work in the game and will sell - just look how badly Slaves to Darkness are doing that their last year christmas boxed set was still on sale until now (GW have removed it, but its likely still in local stores and 3rd parties). For the "Big bad" army in the game they've had almost no support since the launch of AoS. That translates to really bad game performance and really bad sales.
Giving those armies 2.0 Tomes is the most important step
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 13:05:45
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Clousseau
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Fancy that, no one wants to play a faction that looks awesome but couldn't fight off teletubbies, let alone anything else in the AOS game lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 13:12:39
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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auticus wrote:Fancy that, no one wants to play a faction that looks awesome but couldn't fight off teletubbies, let alone anything else in the AOS game lol.
I think its time to turn turn the record to Side B now that we've got a confirmed Battletome coming out in less than 2 weeks time
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 13:17:26
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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Overread wrote: auticus wrote:Fancy that, no one wants to play a faction that looks awesome but couldn't fight off teletubbies, let alone anything else in the AOS game lol.
I think its time to turn turn the record to Side B now that we've got a confirmed Battletome coming out in less than 2 weeks time 
Well hold on now, we don't know if it will be any good. It could be a crap battletome, or it could be hugely OP.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/03 13:33:30
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Clousseau
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Overread wrote: auticus wrote:Fancy that, no one wants to play a faction that looks awesome but couldn't fight off teletubbies, let alone anything else in the AOS game lol.
I think its time to turn turn the record to Side B now that we've got a confirmed Battletome coming out in less than 2 weeks time 
Just because they are getting a battletome does not mean they won't be flaming garbage.
A good chunk of the 2.0 books aren't viable against the top three or four books when those three or four books are running in powerplay mode. The pattern is alternating. Meaning a strong power book is followed by a mediocre for fun book. The last book was the masters of the universe undead book which is a power book right now. All signs point to slaves to darkness being a meh for fun book. Though the mawtribe book (a meh for fun book) might have been the for fun team's last effort, meaning slaves to darkness will be off the chains like slaanesh.
We just won't know until the book drops and we have our 12 second flip through of the rules trying to find the obvious busted pieces if they exist.
I know some of you guys feel that as long as its a 2.0 tome its viable, but I watch every week just how not true that is. Our AOS campaign that is wrapping up is about 8 players now, and we've gone through 14 players this year (since jan 2019) who started and quit for a different game because of the balance issues and almost all of them were using 2.0 tomes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/04 20:27:38
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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auticus wrote: Overread wrote: auticus wrote:Fancy that, no one wants to play a faction that looks awesome but couldn't fight off teletubbies, let alone anything else in the AOS game lol.
I think its time to turn turn the record to Side B now that we've got a confirmed Battletome coming out in less than 2 weeks time 
Just because they are getting a battletome does not mean they won't be flaming garbage.
A good chunk of the 2.0 books aren't viable against the top three or four books when those three or four books are running in powerplay mode. The pattern is alternating. Meaning a strong power book is followed by a mediocre for fun book. The last book was the masters of the universe undead book which is a power book right now. All signs point to slaves to darkness being a meh for fun book. Though the mawtribe book (a meh for fun book) might have been the for fun team's last effort, meaning slaves to darkness will be off the chains like slaanesh.
We just won't know until the book drops and we have our 12 second flip through of the rules trying to find the obvious busted pieces if they exist.
I know some of you guys feel that as long as its a 2.0 tome its viable, but I watch every week just how not true that is. Our AOS campaign that is wrapping up is about 8 players now, and we've gone through 14 players this year (since jan 2019) who started and quit for a different game because of the balance issues and almost all of them were using 2.0 tomes.
Sure there is a difference in power between books, but I in no way feel its as bad as you make it out to be. With a couple of exceptions most 2.0 tomes can give each other good games.
Some of the stuff I seen people complaining about has been: Ghoul King on Terrorgheist was almost impossible to play against for a melee army before they nerfed it a bit, now FEC are "just" very strong. Slaanesh very much depend on what you play against them, can go from very good to OMG NERF ALREADY if they are a bad match for you. Also have to say I'm a little scared of the new Bonereapers, have not played them yet.
But where I mostly see problems is if the person with the weaker tome brings a fluffy list or if the person with the stronger list is also a better player. Most of the time you have good games even if one side has a advantage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/04 22:22:14
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Humming Great Unclean One of Nurgle
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IMO Bonereapers are one part OP, one part horribly unfun game design, and one part brilliant tactical game design. It's a bipolar battletome where some parts are really well designed (relentless discipline, all the sub-factions save 1) while others seem like they were designed by someone who has no skill at wargame design (mortek crawler, bone-tithe nexus). I would not be surprised if the actual writer of the 'tome changed hands somewhere during the design process.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/04 22:38:27
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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NinthMusketeer wrote:IMO Bonereapers are one part OP, one part horribly unfun game design, and one part brilliant tactical game design. It's a bipolar battletome where some parts are really well designed (relentless discipline, all the sub-factions save 1) while others seem like they were designed by someone who has no skill at wargame design (mortek crawler, bone-tithe nexus). I would not be surprised if the actual writer of the 'tome changed hands somewhere during the design process.
There's a meme on one of the Sigmar shitposting pages showing "Sam's Books" vs "Jervis Book". FEC, OBR and HoS on one side under Jervis book. BoC, Mawtribes and CoS under the Sam side, showing the positives and negatives of both styles of books.
Not that its true(could be), but there definitely seems to be two different design philosophies in one studio.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/05 00:14:51
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Clousseau
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Sure there is a difference in power between books, but I in no way feel its as bad as you make it out to be. With a couple of exceptions most 2.0 tomes can give each other good games.
I would certainly challenge you to bring forth battle reports highlighting a "competitive" gitz, mawtribe, khorne, tzeentch, nurgle, orcs, or sylvaneth army taking on a competent player playing triple keeper of secrets, tournament powered FEC, or masters of the universe undead and it not being pretty much decided on the opening credits.
Yeah there are a number of 2.0 books that can give each other good games. And then there are the other half of the 2.0 books that don't bother showing up unless you are playing one of those set of books unless you are just there to mash models together and you don't give a damn about the outcome of the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/05 01:55:30
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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It is weird how they design books. Always has been. And then they show only half-assed ways of playing when they show battle reports, so everything looks fine and then it's not.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/05 10:55:13
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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auticus wrote:Sure there is a difference in power between books, but I in no way feel its as bad as you make it out to be. With a couple of exceptions most 2.0 tomes can give each other good games.
I would certainly challenge you to bring forth battle reports highlighting a "competitive" gitz, mawtribe, khorne, tzeentch, nurgle, orcs, or sylvaneth army taking on a competent player playing triple keeper of secrets, tournament powered FEC, or masters of the universe undead and it not being pretty much decided on the opening credits.
Yeah there are a number of 2.0 books that can give each other good games. And then there are the other half of the 2.0 books that don't bother showing up unless you are playing one of those set of books unless you are just there to mash models together and you don't give a damn about the outcome of the game.
I play Khorne myself and while scary and I would not give myself 50% of winning against triple Keeper or FEC, I don't consider the game lost either. There are certain bad matchups, Mawtribes vs Slaanesh with the way depravity points works is just stupid.
The new Orruk Warclans books seems very able to compete, so not sure why you put it in there. I know some people who would put it in with Slaanesh and FEC. Instead of digging up battlereports there is this:
Thats top 5 for some of the AoS tournaments in october. Pretty sure they are all 5 games and I checked for a couple of the ones that don't mention number of players: 28, 30 and 56 so not tiny ones. Most of the armies you mention have several top 5 spots. Mawtribes was not out yet, but the rest have played 5 games in a event and made it to top 5, a couple only once, but most several times. Maybe they will have a very hard time against triple Keeper or FEC, but that hardly makes the armies impossible to play. Clearly some people do and win more than they lose.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/05 15:51:46
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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You must be new here. Tournament results are only relevant when they fit auticus' narrative.
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/12/05 16:42:53
Subject: The Current State of Age of Sigmar
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auticus wrote:Sure there is a difference in power between books, but I in no way feel its as bad as you make it out to be. With a couple of exceptions most 2.0 tomes can give each other good games.
I would certainly challenge you to bring forth battle reports highlighting a "competitive" gitz, mawtribe, khorne, tzeentch, nurgle, orcs, or sylvaneth army taking on a competent player playing triple keeper of secrets, tournament powered FEC, or masters of the universe undead and it not being pretty much decided on the opening credits.
Yeah there are a number of 2.0 books that can give each other good games. And then there are the other half of the 2.0 books that don't bother showing up unless you are playing one of those set of books unless you are just there to mash models together and you don't give a damn about the outcome of the game.
https://youtu.be/CL2h_ByV3R4
A recent GT where an Orruk player outright outplays the Hedonites meta list, at a significant GT, top table. :-)
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