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2019/03/31 16:23:04
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
I'm on the fence. I want to get me a box of the new terminators as I skipped the last ones and they look fine.
The sprues on the other hand... There is no way I'm getting 5 boxes for not just the basic load out but any load out really.
With one of everything you can't make anything work.
So I'd like to know how to mitigate that. I've checked a bunch of third party bitz sellers, but none of them really work for me.
Plus there aren't even enough arms to chop off the hand and stick an axe or whatever on there. There's 5 bolter arms and only 4 melee arms with weapons.
The rest are powerfist/heavy weapons, so you need arms too.
With dual lighting claws on 4 + a heavy could could maybe get away with 2 boxes due to the fist coming in...chassis if that makes sense.
You'd still have to make your own claws. Regardless of whether or not you can stomach the scissor-hand claws. And you're short a claw dude.
Mixing with the FW cataphractii weapons also doesn't work as the tops of the shoulders come with the terminator kits, at which point you may as well use those.
TBH, The only way I see is ebay and even then you're stuck with the new claw unless you can find enough bits from the old kit Is there something I'm not seeing?
2019/03/31 16:30:55
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Confused about the problem. You're trying to build a squad of 5 of the new Terminators with chainaxe/bolter and object to needing to buy one extra arm on ebay?
The fact that GW released a kit that doesn't have the bitz to put together it's default load out is just asinine.
I can deal with the idea that not every combination a unit can take will be in one kit but having to buy third party bitz or go to FW for a default load out shows a clear disconnect between who designed models and the person who wrote the data sheet.
2019/03/31 16:47:12
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The box doesn't have 2 dual lighting claws. It has two lighting claws, so enough to equip one guy with dual lighting claws.
Is just stupid. One of the worst kits in relation to weapon options I have seen. At least the fething 7 for 10 Plague Marines ones had enough weapons for the basic loadouts.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2019/03/31 17:08:57
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The old Chaos Termis had the same problem. I wonder why no 3rd party sells complete Terminator-arms but loads of normal Marine arms.
The Chaos terminator lord/sorcerer pack is a good source for additional arms.
Kromlech sells some Chainaxes, combi-weapons and other power weapons, but you'll still need arms.
2019/03/31 17:15:50
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Galas wrote: The box doesn't have 2 dual lighting claws. It has two lighting claws, so enough to equip one guy with dual lighting claws.
Is just stupid. One of the worst kits in relation to weapon options I have seen. At least the fething 7 for 10 Plague Marines ones had enough weapons for the basic loadouts.
That's why I said you need to make your own. The box comes with powerfists without the actual fists and you slot in the claws or fists.
So taking the empty fist and building a claw around would be at least feasible. With some minor cutting as the thumb is attached to the base fist.
@AnomanderRake there is only one chainaxe. so you'd need to get 4 more chainaxes plus an arm that fits.
These terminators a little bigger so I reckon that the old zerker axes are going to look too small. Hence the FW cataphractii suggestion.
Just about every other axe we have easily available is a bladed axe. I doubt they're going to be a steal on ebay.
I haven't seen any third party chain axes that I actually liked, bar evilcraft but their site seems to be down?
Are they still in business? Pop goes the monkey has some decent ones but their hands look atrocious.
I suppose ebay is a good way to go for if you put power weapons on them, those should be more readily available.
2019/03/31 17:25:06
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
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2019/03/31 17:30:15
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The Salt Mine wrote: You mean you might have to kitbash or convert stuff. The horror the horror...
Kitbash what? There is all of 1 guy with a chainaxe in our current range other than berzerkers, and Kharne.
Converting an axe isn't exactly easy either, I've tried it. I'm not looking forward to do that again.And then you're sitll missing an arm, so you'd need a chaos lord in terminar armor as well.
That said I guess that could work if the axes don't look too weird. That' be about the price of a second termie box.
2019/03/31 18:01:13
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The Salt Mine wrote: You mean you might have to kitbash or convert stuff. The horror the horror...
No, I love kitbashing and converting, what I don't like is when they sell me an inferior product at a luxury price. It means is a garbage kit just like Deathsroud terminators are a gargabe kit from a modeling and variety, quality and quantity of option perspective (Desing wise and technically wise they are perfect).
This terminator kit is one of the worst they have made. Nearly Blood Angel Assault Terminators leve lof bad kit, instead of the TOP Grey Knight one or the very good Deathwing box.
I love when a kit offers me the choice to be more or less homogeneus and THEN adds options for variety, not when that variety is forced just because I have a total lack of options in the basic kit unless I buy multiples .And I'm not talking even about having all the special weapons but for feth sake give me at least the basic loadout of the squad.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/03/31 18:24:53
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The Salt Mine wrote: You mean you might have to kitbash or convert stuff. The horror the horror...
Amusing statement, sofar the new boxes for CSM aswell as Terminators lacked even the basic equippment to fully equip the whole squad.
Even more funny considering the ammount of glorified gardenfences there are in the Terminator kit but no really ornate shoulder pads.
Even funnier when the only hw's you get in the CSM box is a HB or RL, because an autocannon would've been to much to ask for, but he we have 3 diffrent E weapons in there for the champion,.... hu fething Ray
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2019/03/31 19:10:14
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
The Salt Mine wrote: You mean you might have to kitbash or convert stuff. The horror the horror...
Bad take, but username checks out.
It's terrible box design. If they have the option for 5/5 double claw terminators, they should come in the box. It's one of the most popular loadouts for CC. I wouldn't even convert, just buy some Cataphracts or Tartaros and paint them Chaos legion colors. They have basically no iconography anyways.
The Salt Mine wrote: You mean you might have to kitbash or convert stuff. The horror the horror...
Kitbash what? There is all of 1 guy with a chainaxe in our current range other than berzerkers, and Kharne.
Converting an axe isn't exactly easy either, I've tried it. I'm not looking forward to do that again.And then you're sitll missing an arm, so you'd need a chaos lord in terminar armor as well.
That said I guess that could work if the axes don't look too weird. That' be about the price of a second termie box.
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
2019/03/31 19:36:35
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
This is kinda disingenuous and is letting GW off the hook. It's one thing for a kit to not have every single upgrade or option included in the maximum that they can be taken. It's another to not include enough bitz to build the default load out on a data sheet.
If GW released a new tactical marine box that came with one bolt gun, I would understand people being pissed that I need to scavenge just to put together a unit's default state, let alone upgrades.
2019/03/31 19:43:04
Subject: Re:How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/03/31 20:20:18
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
So, what I'm getting from this is the CSM Termies come from the Blightlord and Plaguemarine school of sprue design? IOW utterly gak.
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2019/03/31 20:37:10
Subject: Re:How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Yeah, I agree it's pretty crappy. I can understand not including EVERY SINGLE upgrade option on a unit like CSM Termis, but include at least the default loadout for everyone!
Ideally, they'd sell upgrade kits too, so you can buy the box and upgrades as needed.
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2019/03/31 20:38:05
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Havoc and CSM kits have three sprues, Termis don't. They should. Then they could have enough chainaxes and lightning claws and more guns. This kit will be sold for another 10+ years, just pay for the third sprue. It's not that hard.
Apparently it is, though, so unless they release Emperor's Children or World Eaters Termis with tons of claws, axes and guns they'll have a ton of Chaos Terminator kits, but not a single good one.
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2019/03/31 20:52:54
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Binabik15 wrote: Havoc and CSM kits have three sprues, Termis don't. They should. Then they could have enough chainaxes and lightning claws and more guns. This kit will be sold for another 10+ years, just pay for the third sprue. It's not that hard.
Apparently it is, though, so unless they release Emperor's Children or World Eaters Termis with tons of claws, axes and guns they'll have a ton of Chaos Terminator kits, but not a single good one.
Tzaangors have one and they're a somewhat new unit, but I suppose they fired the guy whose idea that was.
But then Rubrics also come with enough weapons to make any kind of squad, maybe they only make decent kits of stuff they can copyright.
Also, seems obvious, but I just realized that you don't even WANT to buy multiple boxes as they're all look the same with the same loadout...
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2019/03/31 21:10:40
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
so the kit has no weapons? or it just comes with the ones you don't want?
obviously GW thought the loadout was good enough otherwise they wouldn't have released the kit.
So let me get this straight, you want the entire squad to have the same weapons, isnt that what people have been complaining about with Primaris? Basically GW cant do anything right?
2019/03/31 21:37:28
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
so the kit has no weapons? or it just comes with the ones you don't want?
obviously GW thought the loadout was good enough otherwise they wouldn't have released the kit.
So let me get this straight, you want the entire squad to have the same weapons, isnt that what people have been complaining about with Primaris? Basically GW cant do anything right?
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
2019/03/31 21:57:42
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
This kit has more options than the previous termie kit.
How many combiplasma in the last one? Zero, iirc.
Too few options? Complain about lack of variety.
Too many options? Complain about lack of default weapons.
Now, I'm sure GW could have made an extra spruce, but then we'd be bitching about cost, wouldn't we?
2019/03/31 22:17:53
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
This kit has more options than the previous termie kit.
How many combiplasma in the last one? Zero, iirc.
Too few options? Complain about lack of variety.
Too many options? Complain about lack of default weapons.
Now, I'm sure GW could have made an extra spruce, but then we'd be bitching about cost, wouldn't we?
Other kits have 3 sprues and cost less, that's no excuse at all. In fact people should be bitching about the cost in the sense that you're paying for 3 sprues and only getting two
The previous kit came with three power weapons, which was their default loadout and three combiolters, that's enough for a minimum squad.
It wasn't a GOOD sprue, but it at least let you build the squad. It's not even in the same continent bad as the current one.
First you put in the parts to build whatever you (GW) decides is the default loadout, THEN you add stuff.
I figured that would just be common sense. Of course not many people would actually want to stick to a barebones unit usually so they're still going to be buying more.
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2019/03/31 22:21:24
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
This kit has more options than the previous termie kit.
How many combiplasma in the last one? Zero, iirc.
Too few options? Complain about lack of variety.
Too many options? Complain about lack of default weapons.
Now, I'm sure GW could have made an extra spruce, but then we'd be bitching about cost, wouldn't we?
It's like there is no helping the bitchfest.
I'm gonna buy 2 boxes, why, cuz I want 10 and am fine with their loadout.
o and btw calling me a fanboy is the most ludicrous name I've ever been called. I specifically avoided GW for 25yrs cuz the rules blew and the models were ok. Now the rules actually are fun and the models kickass. I might be guilty of many things but fanboy I am not.
2019/03/31 22:24:33
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
Hmm. It's almost as if the there's theme going on here. In a Chaos army I wonder what that could possibly be?
Perhaps that hodgepodge look is what GW intends. Though of course they're also fine with draining your bank account if optimization is your thing....
2019/03/31 22:24:53
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
This kit has more options than the previous termie kit.
How many combiplasma in the last one? Zero, iirc.
Too few options? Complain about lack of variety.
Too many options? Complain about lack of default weapons.
Now, I'm sure GW could have made an extra spruce, but then we'd be bitching about cost, wouldn't we?
It's like there is no helping the bitchfest.
I'm gonna buy 2 boxes, why, cuz I want 10 and am fine with their loadout.
o and btw calling me a fanboy is the most ludicrous name I've ever been called. I specifically avoided GW for 25yrs cuz the rules blew and the models were ok. Now the rules actually are fun and the models kickass. I might be guilty of many things but fanboy I am not.
^_- seriously? How bout we just start mixing melee weapons with long range stationary guns too then.
Maybe sprinkle a few special wepons to have the full range rainbow.
And while we're add it, add deepstrike only to some models of the squad.
I'm so NOT a competitive player, but that's insane. Nobody has ever played with a mix of all the options a unit has.
You pick a role and arm accordingly, otherwise you're deliberately shooting yourself in the foot.
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2019/03/31 22:33:49
Subject: How to deal with the new CSM terminator BOX?
Adeptus Doritos wrote:This terminator kit is the biggest disappointment of the entire Chaos release wave.
I almost hate GW's audacity for thinking people will buy 5 kits for a power claw squad, or multiple boxes... but they're only doing what they've learned they can get away with, and I've seen people spend ludicrous amounts already.
So wait, the box doesnt come with enough parts to make 5 terminators? You cant build the models with what's supplied? How in the hell did GW dare to do that.
Back to reality, I'm pretty sure that you can play with what's included in a box. It may not be the "optimal" loadout for you, but more people with be fine with what's in the box than not.
Stop making this crap claims nobody has made. Nobody is upset because they can't take the most "optional" build. People is upset because the kit has a total lack of weapons, even the BASIC ones, and it forces you to make a zoo of different load outs without any reason or sense. It isn't just bad desing for a plastic kit, it also looks horrible on the table.
Hmm. It's almost as if the there's theme going on here. In a Chaos army I wonder what that could possibly be?
Perhaps that hodgepodge look is what GW intends. Though of course they're also fine with draining your bank account if optimization is your thing....
This makes more sense than what they're saying. Not well organized or supported, so their combibolters are strapped together etc...
I defend a lot of what GW does, but you are absolutely fanboy levels of nuts if you think not including the default layout from a unit's datasheet on the sprue is defensible. I don't even play Chaos and I could immediately tell the box was a raw deal when I saw the weapon contents.
This kit has more options than the previous termie kit.
How many combiplasma in the last one? Zero, iirc.
Too few options? Complain about lack of variety.
Too many options? Complain about lack of default weapons.
Now, I'm sure GW could have made an extra spruce, but then we'd be bitching about cost, wouldn't we?
It's like there is no helping the bitchfest.
I'm gonna buy 2 boxes, why, cuz I want 10 and am fine with their loadout.
o and btw calling me a fanboy is the most ludicrous name I've ever been called. I specifically avoided GW for 25yrs cuz the rules blew and the models were ok. Now the rules actually are fun and the models kickass. I might be guilty of many things but fanboy I am not.
^_- seriously? How bout we just start mixing melee weapons with long range stationary guns too then.
Maybe sprinkle a few special wepons to have the full range rainbow.
And while we're add it, add deepstrike only to some models of the squad.
I'm so NOT a competitive player, but that's insane. Nobody has ever played with a mix of all the options a unit has.
You pick a role and arm accordingly, otherwise you're deliberately shooting yourself in the foot.
Umm, if you dont have any melee offense in you long range or no long range in your melee, how do you deal with threats that are not optimal?
So you basically want chaos hellblasters or suppressors?
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