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So I have to assume Jon went out and turned himself in and confessed to the Unsullied. No one saw him kill Dany, only Drogon saw the body and then left with it, but not only did Greywurm know who killed her but how.

 AduroT wrote:
So I have to assume Jon went out and turned himself in and confessed to the Unsullied. No one saw him kill Dany, only Drogon saw the body and then left with it, but not only did Greywurm know who killed her but how.

Its a very Jon thing to do - but then they would have torn him apart, then and there.

I mean, what else was he going to say?

Oh yeah, err, guys, Dany totes changed her mind about "liberating" the whole world at the point of a spear, she's decided to take a gap year to travel and really, you know, find herself. She deffo left me in charge by the way.

I'd like to assume he wouldn't be stupid enough to turn himself in to Greyworm.

Then again, "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

However, he could quite reasonably, and rationally, turn himself in to Ser Davos and the Northmens custody.

The finale managed to surprise me. I really thought it couldn't get any worse after the episode five, but somehow, it still did!

So he(jon) does the right thing by telling grey worm hes killed dany. Then immediately does not do the right thing by accepting his penance to serve the nights watch and just buggers off and joins the wildlings and becomes de-facto king beyond the wall??

"I don't want it"
"I don't want to be king"
"she's my queen"
"I don't want it"
"hahaha!!1 I tricked you all I said I will joins nights watch but okay I will go be a king of the wildings..."

WTF!?

The complete lack of coherency in the final series was just appalling. Killing dany and then slaughtering drogon maybe would have worked. Drogon diidnt kill him because he's a targaryan I guess.

Aegon ended up killing one of his sisters in the days of conquest so that kind of Romanesque imperator family bullcrap of the strongest surviving kind of makes sense..

Bah whatever... At least its over and they have all been put out of their misery.

I'm not actually that sure whether he did end up going with the wildlings or was just escorting them back.

Kinda a big thing to leave ambiguous...

I think for the first time the fanbase universally agreed its all complete garbage.

Such a shame.. Its like someone running the world record marathon like the flash putting their all into it, then just stopping 5 inches from the finish line and deciding not to finish and go down the pub for a pint instead.

The only positive is for the first time on dakka there seems to be overwhelming agreement about something. maybe it will be the spark that will unite us all together for the big awakening and overthrow our alien overlords...

 Argive wrote:
I think for the first time the fanbase universally agreed its all complete garbage.

No they don't.

What it is is a small and noisy group of the fanbase using Digital Cancer to amplify their disappointment that the show didn't end the way they wanted.

This is why you should do what I do: Go into things like this accepting that it isn't you story to tell, and to react to what is made rather than trying to make it into something it's not. I pity the people signing that idiotic petition.

The show didn't end the way you wanted it. Deal with it like adults.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I think for the first time the fanbase universally agreed its all complete garbage.

No they don't.

What it is is a small and noisy group of the fanbase using Digital Cancer to amplify their disappointment that the show didn't end the way they wanted.

This is why you should do what I do: Go into things like this accepting that it isn't you story to tell, and to react to what is made rather than trying to make it into something it's not. I pity the people signing that idiotic petition.

The show didn't end the way you wanted it. Deal with it like adults.

This is really hilarious coming from you.

So a personal attack right away. Good stuff Crimson. *claps*

But this is pretty much how I approach most kinds of entertainment. It's why I never cared when there were boring Star Wars EU books, 'cause there'd always be a more interesting one around the corner. I thought Seasons 3/4 of Arrow were fething awful, but I stuck with them because I wanted to see where it was going.

There have only really been two times where something has really rubbed me the wrong way, that being the end of LOST (and the writer's assertion that it the show wasn't really about the mysteries but actually the characters), and The Las Jedi.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I think for the first time the fanbase universally agreed its all complete garbage.

No they don't.

What it is is a small and noisy group of the fanbase using Digital Cancer to amplify their disappointment that the show didn't end the way they wanted.

This is why you should do what I do: Go into things like this accepting that it isn't you story to tell, and to react to what is made rather than trying to make it into something it's not. I pity the people signing that idiotic petition.

The show didn't end the way you wanted it. Deal with it like adults.

Obviously hyberboling to the max here... but... BUT:

The people in in the real world I talked to, all agree this season has bomb dived quality wise. Nobody, and I mean nobody, I talked to is satisfied with this lever of extremely low tier generic tv show plot bullcrap they pulled...Its just a shame for taking a beautiful story and throwing it don the stairs.. I'm glad its all over so I don't have to cringe through anymore failure. I have listened tof the interviews with the cast. THEY could see it was turning into garbage.

By all means, enjoy the show I'm not going to stop you and I'm not trying to change your opinion brother.
I liked the last jedi. I didint't care what people think and I even said it on our youtube pod cast...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So a personal attack right away. Good stuff Crimson. *claps*

But this is pretty much how I approach most kinds of entertainment. It's why I never cared when there were boring Star Wars EU books, 'cause there'd always be a more interesting one around the corner. I thought Seasons 3/4 of Arrow were fething awful, but I stuck with them because I wanted to see where it was going.

Excellent. Now apply this attitude the next time GW releases a new Primaris Marine.

There have only really been two times where something has really rubbed me the wrong way, that being the end of LOST (and the writer's assertion that it the show wasn't really about the mysteries but actually the characters), and The Las Jedi.

Oh right. And perhaps some people feel the same way about this ending?

It's hard to argue that there hasn't been a substantial drop in the quality of the story over the last few seasons.

I don't have too many problems with any of the big plot points or end results (though I'm irked Cersei died as well as she did), but there have been a whole lot more macguffins, hamfisted contrived events, awkward dialogue, notable plot holes, and poor setup than in the first few seasons when they were still working from the books and had ten episodes each season.

The last two seasons should have had 20 episodes, not 12, and the series suffered for it. A lot of stuff just needed more setup and time to play out, and they had to resort to gimmicks, movie magic, and rushing the story to fit everything in. The pace of the story was just really rushed compared to the beginning of the show, and it was obvious.

That said, they didn't pull a Mass Effect 3/Battlestar Galactica/Dexter/Lost on it where we got completely inappropriate/incomprehensible endings.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nah. Bronn would’ve made a joke about it. I guarantee you.

Rather it’s ‘tough luck, Grey Worm, the King has spoken, and being Hand is justice enough’

That doesn’t jive with the way they shot the end of the scene, why have Grey sworn protest then, have Tyrion have a reaction and fade to black. That last interaction seems to make little sense to me if it is just tough luck, the scene just seemed too deliberate to me to be nothing. Bronn might have made a joke, but that is not a given in that situation.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


What it is a noisy group of the fanbase using Digital Cancer to amplify their disappointment that the show didn't end the way they wanted.

Yep. GoT isn't unique in this regard.
-Show/Franchise becomes popular
- A percentage over invest
- Some of the over investors rage because things aren't going the way they think it should.

Frankly it would have been all but impossible to have wrapped up and everybody be happy (and that isn't an invitation to write me an essay about how it would have happened if you were in charge, BTW.)

FWIW I think that pretty much everyone got an ending that they had earned/deserved/was appropriate and I look forward to the spin off show Voyage Of The Dawn Arya replete with talking gerbil.

What if the real reason for why so many people are upset with the show is because the show has had absolute trash writing for literal years now?

I'm really interested to see the show apologists ITT defend the writing in even just this season alone.

I'd say if you'd felt the show had trash writing for years and we're still watching the fault lies solely with you.

That'd be a foolish thing to say, as my motivations for doing or not doing something has zero relevence to the quality of writing. In fact one could even assume that that statement is just a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from valid criticisms of the show.

But I'm sure no dakkaite would stoop that low.

I'm not defending anything, I enjoyed it, you didn't. End of conversation.

Or you did enjoy it and are slating it anyway, which just makes this weird.

S8 is not the worst season, S7 takes that title by a landslide; 1 part I didn't like about S8 is the inconsistency of the dragon fire, undead dragon fire doesn't explode stone, Drogon's air raid explode everything it touches like an explosive, then at the last scene where it melts the throne, it acts like fire again...wtf?

I enjoyed the ending unlike the rest, I would have like to see Jon dead as well, getting eaten, or tailwhipped by Drogon. One character I really feel sorry for is the girl that hauls Bran around, she doesn't even get a 'thank you', nothing to tie that knot.

Any episode that had the sand snakes in it was miles worse than anything this season. Stupid sand snakes....

I think this season was actually fine outside of the battle of winterfell episode being just to dark. I mostly enjoyed it and found most people got the ending they deserved.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Yep. GoT isn't unique in this regard.
-Show/Franchise becomes popular
- A percentage over invest
- Some of the over investors rage because things aren't going the way they think it should.

And I don't have a problem with people not liking the end, or people being unhappy that things didn't turn out they way they wanted (I wanted Clegganebowl to be a very different fight to what it was, but I ain't signing no bone-headed petition over it).

It's just that people seem to think that "I didn't like it!" = "This is bad!". If you don't like something all it means is that you didn't like it. It's somewhat self-centred to believe that everything you dislike is inherently of low quality.

I don't like Primaris Marines. I do think the models look great (floaty autocannon guys notwithstanding), and I'm not about to denigrate the miniatures (other than calling them out-of-scale Marines) just because I think they have no place in 40K.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Frankly it would have been all but impossible to have wrapped up and everybody be happy (and that isn't an invitation to write me an essay about how it would have happened if you were in charge, BTW.)

I also agree here. There's no way everyone was going to be happy with the ending, especially for something that has captured the world's attention to such a degree.

But it's the vitriol of the detractors I take issue with, because they're acting as if this is somehow new. I remember people bitching about how awful this show was Ned got a spear to the leg way back in season one. I remember not liking Season 5 much at all. Didn't sign any petitions...

 Azreal13 wrote:
FWIW I think that pretty much everyone got an ending that they had earned/deserved/was appropriate and I look forward to the spin off show Voyage Of The Dawn Arya replete with talking gerbil.

I prefer "West of Westeros: The Voyages of Arrrrrya Stark".

 Azreal13 wrote:


Yep. GoT isn't unique in this regard.
-Show/Franchise becomes popular
- A percentage over invest
- Some of the over investors rage because things aren't going the way they think it should.

I love when Gravity Falls calls this out before revealing Ford.

And fwiw, I have qualms about the writing of the last few seasons, but as I said in my first impressions of the finale, I don't really lay blame on the show, but squarely on Meereen.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I think for the first time the fanbase universally agreed its all complete garbage.

No they don't.

What it is is a small and noisy group of the fanbase using Digital Cancer to amplify their disappointment that the show didn't end the way they wanted.

This is why you should do what I do: Go into things like this accepting that it isn't you story to tell, and to react to what is made rather than trying to make it into something it's not. I pity the people signing that idiotic petition.

The show didn't end the way you wanted it. Deal with it like adults.

So the show droping in quality harder than pound's value after Brexit , and tons of characters arcs being destroyed, tons of continuity or just sloppy errors that in past seasons wouldn't have even think of being possible in THIS series, etc, etc... are just Digital Cancer and people thats screaming "REEEEE" because the show didn't ended as they wanted.

Yeah. Thats exactly what happened H.B.M.C.
Theres no legitimate criticism about this. Is just people being infantile about something not going how they wanted.


And I have no problem to admit something is bad evenif I like it, like the Warcraft Movie, or something is good even when I dislike it, like Back to the Future.
But the drop in quality of this last season after one very weak season is staggering. I have no vitriol, as I said, I was watching the last episode with a couple of friends and we were laughing our ass off as how many cheap emotional moments they where throwing at the audience, like darts at a diana.

For example, Tyrion finding the bodies of Cersei and Jaime after everything collapsed but OPS no it really didn't it was just a small amount of rubble. Why? Because cheap dramatic moment.

When a show which Rotten Tomatoes audience rating has been hovering around 90% for seven seasons suddenly drops below 40% then I don't think that it is unreasonable to surmise that something might have gone a tad wrong in the show making department...

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm not defending anything, I enjoyed it, you didn't. End of conversation.

See, this is where you fethed up. It's not the end of the conversation. I can spend the next ten pages doing nothing but making max character limit posts going into detail about the various failings and blunders the writers have made over the course of the show, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. I can even quote your specific posts praising it, and vocalize my dissenting opinion on the show, and again there's nothing you can do to stop me.

You don't have to respond of course, but you don't get to moderate the discussion, and complaining about people saying things you don't like just makes you look bad. In fact it's kind of ironic, because an 8-paragraph rant about how much the show sucks is actually a more relevant post then any you've made on this page, in that it's actually discussing the show itself, while complaining about how much people dislike the show is just complaining about people.


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 Crimson wrote:
When a show which Rotten Tomatoes audience rating has been hovering around 90% for seven seasons suddenly drops below 40% then I don't think that it is unreasonable to surmise that something might have gone a tad wrong in the show making department...

No no, it's just people being haters. If you don't turn your brain off and mindlessly consume the media given to then you're a sad person/toxic/have unrealistic expectations etc.

 Crimson wrote:
When a show which Rotten Tomatoes audience rating has been hovering around 90% for seven seasons suddenly drops below 40% then I don't think that it is unreasonable to surmise that something might have gone a tad wrong in the show making department...

No, is just manchildren being mad. Like The new Star Wars trilogy. They are hating it because potatoes, theres NO VALID criticism whatsoever.


And really to see some of the most critic posters of all of Dakkadakka, normally accused of being Black Knights in wargaming related threads, being such dimissive of any criticism about something they like is really, really funny.


Really stupid things like this ones would never have happened in past seasons



But I'm glad the ending was as bad as it was (Compared to one of the best TV shows of history of course. In other show this would have been a mediocre ending. But this is series deserved better than a mediocre ending, thats why I watched GoT and not other series), because at least we have all of the memes.

I just don't understand how with all the time and money involved, this is what we got.

I'm lucky i never let myself get emotionally invested in the show, because hot damn the way it ended would have gutted me.

On the bright side, maybe now GRRM will finish a book. Hah.

I really don't think this is a vocal minority situation. What metric indicates most people loved this season? Reviewers? Public comments? Tweets? Fan pages? This page?

Cmon. I don't begrudge anyone who enjoyed it. I really don't. If anything, I envy them.

But pretending there is no problem, that it is merely a few industrious malcontents is the entertainment equivalent of '5 million illegal votes for Hillary by busses full of travelling democrats'. A baseless assertion with no evidence to back it up concocted to excuse the facts in front of us.