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2019/05/16 17:33:25
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
Carlovonsexron wrote: you might have better luck with red contrast over silver- I iagine the yellow in gold might change the color of the red into an orange.
This is Red contrast, over gold, and with a silver high light. The yellow of the Gold helps to make the Red look Warmer. It's the same reason FW used gold as the base for their Clear Red paint to paint their 1Ksons.
It's a bit surprising but the truth. ^^
Spoiler:
May I please have this recipe?
GW clear red and which gold?
DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
2019/05/16 17:45:36
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
Carlovonsexron wrote: you might have better luck with red contrast over silver- I iagine the yellow in gold might change the color of the red into an orange.
This is Red contrast, over gold, and with a silver high light. The yellow of the Gold helps to make the Red look Warmer. It's the same reason FW used gold as the base for their Clear Red paint to paint their 1Ksons.
It's a bit surprising but the truth. ^^
Spoiler:
May I please have this recipe?
GW clear red and which gold?
It’s the new red CONTRAST paint coming out in June. Looks like he painted it over retributor gold primer, then added silver highlights.
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2019/05/16 18:02:20
Subject: Re:'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
A review from someone that was at Warhammer Fest. Shows the Black Templar contrast paint pretty well, and also a yellow and a purple metallic space marine done with the contrast paints.
The single coat flesh on the unhelmeted space marine also looks decent.
Redemption wrote: A review from someone that was at Warhammer Fest. Shows the Black Templar contrast paint pretty well, and also a yellow and a purple metallic space marine done with the contrast paints.
Spoiler:
The single coat flesh on the unhelmeted space marine also looks decent.
Purple marine around 9:14 looks pretty cool.
2019/05/16 18:27:17
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
drbored wrote: Good lord, why are people still arguing about these things?
If you're going to buy it, buy it. If you're not, don't.
Isn't it really that simple? What am I missing here?
Are you missing the fact that people can make their decisions and then discuss those decisions on a public forum? Let me know if you need further guidance.
If we were talking about the merits of picking a chainfist over a powerfist, I'd totally understand some of these arguments. Instead, it just seems like people are screaming at each other for daring to buy a GW paint or not.
2019/05/17 04:28:03
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
greatbigtree wrote: This sounds ideal for a painter like myself. I have been applying two *thin* coats of base paint over white, then adding a wash.
Consistency can be tricky for the base costs, so if this is consistent and a “one-coat” for the base, and I can still put a wash on to further define detail, I’d be very happy.
I’m a neat painter by nature, so I plan to buy a few to try on some Kill Teams I’ve got in the works. Should I get to them... I’play post some pics.
Absolutely. I had 11K of miniatures to paint *before* KS, and I'm sure it's a few more thousand by now.
Hobby paint companies need to understand that not all of us like to paint for the sake of painting, want display-level results, or have much time to paint. Finally, someone gets it.
Sure, it's just extra-thick wash (that doesn't use water as a medium) on top of primer. And many experienced painters know this technique. But it's never been popular because it's only been seen as an intermediate step, or was a speed paint with glazing and zenithal priming.
And if Contrast paints make it easier to enter the painting hobby, no doubt some of these new painters will find out they do enjoy painting and will continue into the hobby!
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Perhaps it's me, but I waste more paint from dropper bottles than I ever have from Citadel paint pots (even including the occasions where I've spilled a tall pot of Shade). Is it because I store the Vallejo paints horizontally? I shake the pots to mix the medium and pigment up before each time I open them, and half the time trapped air or something pushes half the paint out of the pot when all I wanted was to paint one gemstone. the variable consistency of the Game Color paints means getting a single drop can be difficult (compounded by the occasions when the paint has clumped in the bottle, resulting in nothing coming out until the blockage clears, then a huge splodge on the palette.). The nozzles split, too, making it more likely for excess paint to clog the threads of the caps. they're better than the infamous "bolter shell" screw-top pots, but that's not saying much.
I haven't noticed a difference between storing dropper bottles horizontally or vertically. I do use glass beads as agitators in my bottles and an battery powered drill to spin mix my bottles. Which is definitely better than shaking when it comes to consistently mixing the paint and medium. I've never had an nozzles split on me but I bought a 100 empty dropper bottles of eBay to next to nothing to store my paint mixes. So if you have a problem with split nozzles to can get some cheaply so you'll always have some spare nozzles.
"Fear the cute ones."
2019/05/18 18:53:56
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
The first dropper bottle I ever used exploded on me because the tip was apparently clogged and given it was the first one I’d used I wasn’t sure how hard I was supposed to have to squeeze it.
2019/05/18 19:58:36
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
AndrewGPaul wrote: Perhaps it's me, but I waste more paint from dropper bottles than I ever have from Citadel paint pots (even including the occasions where I've spilled a tall pot of Shade). Is it because I store the Vallejo paints horizontally? I shake the pots to mix the medium and pigment up before each time I open them, and half the time trapped air or something pushes half the paint out of the pot when all I wanted was to paint one gemstone. the variable consistency of the Game Color paints means getting a single drop can be difficult (compounded by the occasions when the paint has clumped in the bottle, resulting in nothing coming out until the blockage clears, then a huge splodge on the palette.). The nozzles split, too, making it more likely for excess paint to clog the threads of the caps. they're better than the infamous "bolter shell" screw-top pots, but that's not saying much.
Since you're not a Real Painter (tm) , here's what I do.
* Have a paperclip nearby to unclog nozzles.
* Since I don't mix or blend paints (bought too many on sale!), I (gasp) don't use a wet palette.
* Instead of putting the drop onto the wet palette, drip it into either the flip-top of the pot lid or a bottle of (again, gasp) craft paint. Shake the bottle first. I add a drop of thinner. Paint from the lid. This means I mess with the eyedroppers less.
* Or use a bottle cap as a dry palette to mix paints and thinner.
* Brush-prime with different colored primers.
* Use washes like crazy, including after priming. Use a dark wash on the shadow part of a blade, rather than different shades of metallics.
While I still put on details (eg. pupils, blood), I don't highlight figures. Or, rather, I'll leave a figure open to highlighting. Since I paint for boardgames, rather than internet photos, this has saved me a considerable amount of time. Now, I can get *all* the miniatures painted for a game, rather than only the characters!
I'll keep an eye out on the Contrast paints. You'll note that, in the demos, the paint was used for demons and Space Marines, which are easier to paint with Contrast paint (and base coat then washes) than, say, female and elven characters with fair skin. While I'll read threads discussing (and arguing) about painting wrt the purpose of a miniature (eg. display vs. gaming), I rarely see discussing efficient techniques for specific types of miniatures. You don't need an eye dropper and wet palette for every miniature, but, when you need them, you *really* do need them.
Sotahullu wrote: Any idea if these paints are coming up for pre-order next week?
We'll find out tomorrow, around 6 p.m. BST.
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2019/05/19 06:26:08
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
sockwithaticket wrote: Thought word from the fest was that these paints won't be out 'til June.
Yes. Today we find out what goes on pre-order on May 25th for release on June 1st...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2019/05/19 16:07:19
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
Have I missed the price point on this or is everyone unaware still?
This could genuinely get me back into the hobby. I can paint to a relatively decent tabletop standard. I'd probably say around or just above average, but I do not have the time to paint that way with the job and other hobbies (Admittedly I have to paint slow to get my best standard), and I cannot justify spending so much on models to not have them look at least respectable.
But this, this could do it for me. A squad/character a weekend over a few months and I could have a nice little force with the help of these paints.
Anyway, back to my original question, surely they will be a tad more expensive due to people needing less paint to paint this way (Reduced amount of base, ink and layering paints sold if a significant amount of people go down this route). They'd want to balance the sale/profit some how. Either that or the bottle won't last as long due to needing a thicker consistency.
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2019/05/19 17:14:49
Subject: Re:'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Have I missed the price point on this or is everyone unaware still?
This could genuinely get me back into the hobby. I can paint to a relatively decent tabletop standard. I'd probably say around or just above average, but I do not have the time to paint that way with the job and other hobbies (Admittedly I have to paint slow to get my best standard), and I cannot justify spending so much on models to not have them look at least respectable.
But this, this could do it for me. A squad/character a weekend over a few months and I could have a nice little force with the help of these paints.
Anyway, back to my original question, surely they will be a tad more expensive due to people needing less paint to paint this way (Reduced amount of base, ink and layering paints sold if a significant amount of people go down this route). They'd want to balance the sale/profit some how. Either that or the bottle won't last as long due to needing a thicker consistency.
They're between the regular paints and the big wash pots in size, so I'm anticipating they'll cost the same as the big wash pots. If they're less, brilliant. If they're more...ehh, I'm hoping GW doesn't try and pull that nonsense.
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2019/05/19 18:22:01
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
I would be somewhat surprised if they went more expensive (per volume) than other paint. At the core, I think they’re looking to sell paint to people that don’t paint. So any sales in that market are better than no sales.
I also expect that their observed behaviour is that once people get comfortable with Contrast, they likely want to expand on that to improve small details, which would involve a detail brush and a couple of more standard paint pots.
And once people have some models that look good with minimal effort, maybe a little edge highlighting seems less frightening, so they get into that for characters, and they get used to that and they start doing it for their line infantry... the snowball grows.
The biggest obstacle to overcome is getting started, and seeing decent results. If the paints help with just that alone, they’ll be a boon to the community.
Especially if the community appreciates that painted minis look better then grey, and the elitism of “oh, they’re just contrast painted...” is avoided. I think this is a great time for the hobby.
2019/05/19 18:24:17
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
endlesswaltz123 wrote: Have I missed the price point on this or is everyone unaware still?
This could genuinely get me back into the hobby. I can paint to a relatively decent tabletop standard. I'd probably say around or just above average, but I do not have the time to paint that way with the job and other hobbies (Admittedly I have to paint slow to get my best standard), and I cannot justify spending so much on models to not have them look at least respectable.
But this, this could do it for me. A squad/character a weekend over a few months and I could have a nice little force with the help of these paints.
Anyway, back to my original question, surely they will be a tad more expensive due to people needing less paint to paint this way (Reduced amount of base, ink and layering paints sold if a significant amount of people go down this route). They'd want to balance the sale/profit some how. Either that or the bottle won't last as long due to needing a thicker consistency.
They're between the regular paints and the big wash pots in size, so I'm anticipating they'll cost the same as the big wash pots. If they're less, brilliant. If they're more...ehh, I'm hoping GW doesn't try and pull that nonsense.
It is GW kinda got to anticipate the non-sense. They have thus far made their own exchange rate and justify charging $30-40 from a model which the same size model in a set of 5 costs $40-50. So they don't use logic in their pricing they use business schemes. Limited producing box sets that have value, anything to push the profit margin. I don't see them changing their business practice expect them to cost the same as the larger washes/ base paints, even if they are not as big. With GW if you expect the worst that is the only way really to be happy then you will be less disappointed when they do something dick.
2019/05/19 19:01:59
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
So anyway, any plans on finishing/starting army with these paints?
I actually though on starting a small Primaris army (max. 500-750 points) before but this gives me an excuse to toy around. Naturally I am going to base my force on Blood Angels althought I am not going to be that specific on that.
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2019/05/19 20:40:58
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
Sotahullu wrote: So anyway, any plans on finishing/starting army with these paints?
I actually though on starting a small Primaris army (max. 500-750 points) before but this gives me an excuse to toy around. Naturally I am going to base my force on Blood Angels althought I am not going to be that specific on that.
Yep. I'm going to try painting my 30k Emperors Children army with these paints. Doing the whites and purples should be a cinch.
2019/05/19 20:43:32
Subject: 'Free Your Models - Contrast' paint range -- see page#8
Sotahullu wrote: So anyway, any plans on finishing/starting army with these paints?
I actually though on starting a small Primaris army (max. 500-750 points) before but this gives me an excuse to toy around. Naturally I am going to base my force on Blood Angels althought I am not going to be that specific on that.
I’m also doing a Primaris force (Emperors Spears), as well as some AdMech allies (mainly an excuse to get the new vehicle). Plus I have a lot of models unpainted already.
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the variable consistency of the Game Color paints means getting a single drop can be difficult (compounded by the occasions when the paint has clumped in the bottle, resulting in nothing coming out until the blockage clears, then a huge splodge on the palette.). The nozzles split, too, making it more likely for excess paint to clog the threads of the caps. they're better than the infamous "bolter shell" screw-top pots, but that's not saying much. 
, here's what I do.
Heresy World Eaters/Emperors Children 
