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The brush strokes on that rhino are very visible after drying. These are probably not going to useful on low detail/flat surface vehicles.

Not with a brush no, their main use on vehicles seems to be as a less faffy replacement for oil washes for doing weathering effects. For people who own an airbrush, it should be possible to get a flat and even coat of the colour, and then go in with a smaller brush to fill out panel lines and add shading.

From what I've seen I really do like how they look over a bright silver undercoat.

We've seen a video of the Contrast paints being airbrushed and they act a lot like an ink. For airbrushing vehicles I'd stick to the Air paints but you're probably correct that the Contrast paints will be good for shading and panel lines.

Cynista wrote:
From what I've seen I really do like how they look over a bright silver undercoat.

That's actually something I'm keen to try out. I've a test mini all lined up, one of the Knight Models Superman variants, specifically the BvS version, who had this metallic blue thing going on for his suit.

That video GW released on their new dude painting up a Primaris marine with contrast makes the new paint look like garbage.

Not sure this will be a good fast way to paint armoured models/flat panels.

Well Contrast paint work such a way that it really doesn't like flat surfaces but surfaces that have penty of details or recesses. It isn't that paint has some issue but it was designed like that.

Particularly vehicles are not going to like this.

Actually, looks like AoS range gets the most benefit from these new paints by the looks of it. Outside of Stormcast of course.

frankr wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I don't get what is the point of Corvus Black. Don't they already make multiple other black paints?

The existing black Base paint is a neutral/cool black. This looks to be a "warm" black with a faint tint of brown to it? I dunno I didn't buy any of these colours when FW was making them. Or maybe that's just because it has green either size of the swatch, it might just be a very dark grey.

It's an extremely dark charcoal grey, so dark it looks black next to most other colors. Because it looks black you can use it as black, and then use a dark wash to add "blacker" areas in shadows and recesses to add a surprising amount of depth to a solid black armour like deathwatch would have.

Ah. Thanks for reply. Why call it black then, though? For all the complains about turtle blue a few pages back, it at least was blue paint. Why not call it Corvus Charcoal or Corvus Grey? Especially seeing Raven Guard ironically have midnight black armour, probably closest of all legions to pure black?

If it was say Ferrus Black you could at least excuse it a bit as IH actually are supposed to be dark grey, not deep black...

Like other colors, there are shades of black other than pure black and there are shades of white other than pure white. The pic of Corvus Black posted a few pages back could be considered a shade of black or brown IMHO. I assume that the team who developed the color for Games Workshop felt that this color was more appropriately a shade of black and thus named it Corvus Black.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
That video GW released on their new dude painting up a Primaris marine with contrast makes the new paint look like garbage.

Not sure this will be a good fast way to paint armoured models/flat panels.

It'll be terrible for anything bigger and flatter than a primaris Marine from what I've seen. That said, I thought the model shown in the video wasn't bad for literally a few minutes work. That yellow was really the thing that made it look iffy. Simulating gold is definitely not a strong point. Painting a blood angel or dark angel would have been a much better demonstration of contrasts capabilities, but I suppose all of their main demonstration have to be ultramarines :/

 Ghaz wrote:
We've seen a video of the Contrast paints being airbrushed and they act a lot like an ink. For airbrushing vehicles I'd stick to the Air paints but you're probably correct that the Contrast paints will be good for shading and panel lines.

The big thing for me will be color-matching. If I use Contrast on my troops, I'll put the contrast paint in my airbrush (and then recess-wash) to make sure the whole army looks uniform.

I'm not 100% convinced that painting with an equivalent color (for example, using Shyish Purple Contrast would match, say, Xereus Purple) is going to work, so airbrushing the Contrast will be a better way to make sure you get the color match.

That video for contrast paint on the Rhino was disappointing.

Was hoping to use this stuff on my Kytan/Blood Slaughterers of Khorne/Lord Discordant to speed things up.

I might be able to get away with it on the BS/LD but certainly not on the Kytan

It's a wash guys. If you allow Sir Isaac Newton to decide where you want shadows it will always end up looking very dirty, like on that primaris.

What you probably want to do is actually work carefully and do not slap a thick coat of it on the model like in the video.

I ”dip” my vehicles, i.e. I apply quickshade on them with a brush and without thinning the dip those same brush lines occur. Thinning the dip to about half to a third makes it good on flat surfaces. Ive done Rhinos and Onagers this way with satisfying results. Of course, the more detail, the better and the more viscosity you want.

These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.

I think the tricky part will be figuring out to shade match exactly with using the Contrast paints for infantry versus using traditional methods on tanks in the same army.

A lot of Death Guard models we've seen painted are fairly pale as a green, and that's going to be a bit of a gak to match without spending a lot of time on weathering, which is sort of the entire point not to do.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
The brush strokes on that rhino are very visible after drying. These are probably not going to useful on low detail/flat surface vehicles.

They didn't apply it as thick as I expected it would need to be. Could that be a factor?

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.

A link would be nice. I am not going to guess between dozens of search results on Instagram.

 Shadenuat wrote:
It's a wash guys. If you allow Sir Newton to decide where you want shadows it will always end up looking very dirty, like on that primaris..

It's Sir Isaac. And it works fine with models which actually have some surface texture.

Lemondish wrote:
They didn't apply it as thick as I expected it would need to be. Could that be a factor?

It certainly looks like overworking the paint doesn't do it much good. I would be more tempted to try it over a coloured undercoat to colour match the infantry. For a smurf rhino I might try a base of caledor sky under a contrast wash of ultramarines blue. There won't be as much of a contrast effect but the colour should match on all but the highlights. I'm also interested in finding out if the black contrast paint over a bright blue base will give me some nice blue highlights for my CSMs.

Question: has there been a guide yet which shows what each paint looks like over new primer A vs new primer B? I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat of knowing they’ll pick up a primer and some paints but not sure which one will work best under the colours they want to use.

plessiez wrote:
Question: has there been a guide yet which shows what each paint looks like over new primer A vs new primer B? I’m sure a lot of people are in the same boat of knowing they’ll pick up a primer and some paints but not sure which one will work best under the colours they want to use.

https://www.facebook.com/Garro30k/posts/2314041805283069

This should have what your looking for. It doesn't say which is which I believe but I assume the left is Wraithbone and the right is Greyseer.

jullevi wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
These paints certainly have a use in the advanced painters set. Check out rich grays Instagram, he's put some posts up using the new paints.. I don't really need any new paint right now but I'll probably look into them at some point, or if I see a nice paint job using them.

A link would be nice. I am not going to guess between dozens of search results on Instagram.

I don't know how you link Instagram accounts. It's not like they have accessible urls. Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

 Shadenuat wrote:
It's a wash guys. If you allow Sir Newton to decide where you want shadows it will always end up looking very dirty, like on that primaris.

What you probably want to do is actually work carefully and do not slap a thick coat of it on the model like in the video.

They aren't washes. They are a lot thicker, and will stay in the area you apply them. Obviously if you apply them heavily they will gravitate to the low points, but they are more like a highly pigmented glaze than a wash.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

Daemon rich is the name, although if youre a hobbyist you should really already be following, he's a slayer sword winning painter.

That's just .../facepalm

I'm sure the guy that many of us have never heard of is a great painter and a great guy, but your statement is just incredibly presumptuous.

What’s Instagram ?

For the people unable to click the first result in google:
https://www.instagram.com/daemonrich/

Models he painted with Contrast:
https://www.instagram.com/p/ByTeHcuhJoX/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx-uet6BmQs/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx3RTg2h5Yj/

Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either. And speed like several gobbos with "quick NMM" in 3 hours is making me feel really slow. I totally lack muscle memory right now.

But what I really need to see is people using Contrast for intersting skin tones. Especially dark skin. The Godsworn archer and the Untamed Beasts spear-with-rope guy have such nice looking skin. And white skin, I want an army of Warboys Orks.

PS: Even if Contrast is a total flop, all this talking about paints got me to paint again and I've done 4 models since Sunday (6 if you count each of the eyestinger swarm's individual flies ) with three more almost done. Already more models than 2018's...one grot. So, yay! Done mostly in a way like Contrast will be done, shading and glazing colours over a light grey basecoat, mostly, plus highlights. Not as good as my best work (several colours wet-blended on a Zombie's belly and loaded-brush highlights even on the teeth, went a bit crazy there) but the results/time was amazing.

 Binabik15 wrote:
Great, great stuff. I think the "Contrast will make beginners bad painters" argument can now be safely put to rest. The difference in results between good painters (great painters!) and just slapping Contrast all over is staggering. Like with all things, brush control is key, and a strong understanding of colours and light theory doesn't hurt, either.

I think the argument still stands, as new painters will not be exposed to said key skills. Contrast is marketed as a colour you just need to slap on generously ("One thick coat") and that is exactly what newcomers will be taught in GW stores.

The fact that professional painters can achieve great results with contrast hast really no bearing on the argument.

I'm all hyped to paint up an army of Flesh-eater Courts in a week. It's the absolute perfect faction for Contrast.

Likewise with my Daughters of Khaine.