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Shadow Walker wrote: Heat 2, second round, I voted:
Werewolves (as it was my suggestion)
Multi-Species Alien Set
Kobolds
Classic Fantasy Trolls
These things were not in the second round..?
I can’t remember the first now but maybe they were there.
I voted mostly all sci-fi fir stargrave. And a few fantasy kits.
Did anyone take down the list of the first and second 15?
I don’t think you can see it once voted. But wondering what the full 60 will look like game/setting/era wise and such..
BobtheInquisitor wrote: Would the Trojan-era Greeks be from the late Bronze Age? If WGA released than and the Trojans, they could expand to the Sea Peoples, Egyptians, etc. and have a whole time period to themselves instead of hoping enough people were just waiting for a specific jacket cut on their Nazis or slightly different (I said it) Romans. It might be a risk opening up a whole untapped historical period, but the rewards if they succeed would surely be better than trying to chip away at Victrix or Warlord’s domination of their chosen periods.
I’m really frustrated with how stagnant historical Wargames feel.
Automatically Appended Next Post: For another GW anecdote, I remember for years the debate among WHFB fans whether GW should start a new faction and create some new ideas to get new blood, or whether they should focus on the same old same old until the existing armies were complete, done and balanced. Those last guys won, and WHFB died. AOS gave the market new things, new factions, and has steadily increased in sales and relevance beyond anything WHFB achieved in its last decade of existence.
Domination is an odd choice of word, no?
Warlord only "dominates" because they bought up a bunch of smaller miniature designers or manufacturers kits: the immortal hoplites or the landsknecht, for instance.
Victrix has amazing sculpts, but they're manufacturing capacity means they are almost constantly out of stock in most places you look.
I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
I wonder if "Fantasy Sci-fi/Swordsmen of Mars" is supposed to be something like John Carter of Mars. But does that mean four-armed aliens, or naked humans?
Voted for female cannon fodder & medieval warriors and cyberpunk corporate security
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
My votes for this round. The Egyptians (if made) should be from the same period as the Sea People. Also assuming the swordsmen of Mars are out of the Edgar Rice Burroughs John Carter of Mars series. Red Martians are basically human, so not that interesting. Four armed Green Martians would be interesting.
Medieval Warrior Women
Bronze Age Sea Peoples
Fantasy Sci-fi/Swordsmen of Mars
Space Amazons
Female Cannon Fodder
Chinese Warring States/3 Kingdoms Infantry
Ancient Egyptians
Edit: Would not buy Cyberpunk corporate security, as I have some from a Cyberpunk boardgame (some of them have been primed for Stargrave). Wargames Foundry has a variety of civilians in metal for many different time periods. Since I rarely use civilians, it's easier for me to get the odd pack or Reaper Bones for when I do need them. Sci-fi civilians I voted for in the 1st heat and will do so again if they make the cut for this heat.
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Roman civilians/ slaves- I can always use civilians… they could just be D&D nobles having sex parties… etc
Medieval warrior women- more women is always better
Space Amazons - see above
Female Cannon Fodder - I can use these in Starfinder and Starwars
Warring Chinese - I like Chinese… and I think these would be great in plastic
None of these are my first choices but I wonder why you guys say they are boring, I would certainly get a box of any of these if only for converting. But hopefully something more to your liking comes up in the next round… I would be happy for almost anything that isn’t ww2/ww1/napoleanic. So if it’s alien robot bears or cavemen… I’m in. If it’s Napoleonic italians(?) then I will be happy for the people who want that and just wait for the next set…
Since Heat 2 of the big contest is acting as our poll this week, how about a discussion to follow up on our small crowdfunding poll from last week?
It's clear from voting that the ultimate winner of this contest will probably not win by an overwhelming amount of votes. My sense from watching the current voting in Heat 2 Rounds 1-2 is that there will probably be 3-4 set ideas that will be neck and neck.
These non-winning ideas will most likely warrant a plastic set, but as we've said we already have about 40 different things at some level of development (most with some sculpting completed) and new ideas being jotted down all the time to be slotted into production.
An informal crowd-funding program may be a way to move some of these other ideas into production faster because we would A. know which sets were in highest demand and B. could leverage the "wisdom of crowds" to plan and critique the design of a set in development so that it could be done quickly. We envision NOT using a platform like Kickstarter with it's fees and high level of management but just running it through our own site. The ideas being discussed now revolve around how it would be managed and what the "rewards" would be.
We want to keep it as simple and focused as possible. So this is what we propose for a crowdfunding project. We wouldn't start this (if at all) until well after the contest winner is already in process.
To start it would only be one set at a time - we would start by having a public vote on 5 or so sets and the winner would be the one that goes into the crowdfunding process (if the program was successful and well-subscribed, we'd increase the number of new projects over time)
After some public discussion of what would be in the set - number of poses, types of weapons/arms, etc. we would get to work and present either an initial sculpt or concepts We'd use those concepts/sculpt to have another round of voting - a simple yes, no. If the yes votes win by a % majority (TBD) the set would then go on pre-order with an estimated release date several months in the future.
Instead of rewards or stretch goals - it would be more simple. The set would be sold at a discount compared to regular prices with higher discount levels for 3, 5, 10 box deals as we normally do. So the "reward" for the backers would be that the set would actually be made and they would get it at a good discount along with free shipping. The downside is that they would have to wait for it. The project would move ahead once $10,000 USD was pre-ordered. If $10K was not reached, backers would be issued a store credit
Let us know what you think of that as a concept.
post from facebook so comment there if you want to be heard for certain (although i'm sure Lord marcus can pass on comments from here too)
Positives: More kits can be made faster
gives you a chance to try what you think are more risky ideas
people get excited and involved
having people put down real money means (at least at some point in the process) you remove the folk who say they want a kit but never actually buy it
Potential negatives: Store credit is not going to be as appealing as a real refund (but I guess there may be fee implications and/or issues with a processor wondering why so many refunds are being made?), not a deal breaker but make the idea less attractive
(how long the money for a kit would be 'held' could also be an issue, not clear how long they'd be given to reach funding)
a temptation to carry on with a 'failed' kit especially if you've paid for a degree of sculpting work.... also pushing from those that did want it enough to pay
easy to upset gamers (some who don't read, or won't admit they did) who will claim you 'promised' to make kit X and do their best to create bad feelings, shout bait and switch etc
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2021/04/30 19:18:43
Subject: Re:Wargames Atlantic: New kit poll, page 53
Esmer wrote: Not sure if people have already posted this but by the looks of it, there's Byzantine infantry incoming:
Spoiler:
Thought that was early Romano-Briton myself. The Chi Rho was not exclusive to Byzantium. With "Dark Age" Saxons and Vikings plastic kits available (mainly the latter), a plastic kit for Romano-Britons would be a good entry in historicals.
Edit: Would not buy Cyberpunk corporate security, as I have some from a Cyberpunk boardgame (some of them have been primed for Stargrave).
Did you buy HINT?
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2021/04/30 20:37:16
Subject: Re:Wargames Atlantic: New kit poll, page 53
Since Heat 2 of the big contest is acting as our poll this week, how about a discussion to follow up on our small crowdfunding poll from last week?
It's clear from voting that the ultimate winner of this contest will probably not win by an overwhelming amount of votes. My sense from watching the current voting in Heat 2 Rounds 1-2 is that there will probably be 3-4 set ideas that will be neck and neck.
These non-winning ideas will most likely warrant a plastic set, but as we've said we already have about 40 different things at some level of development (most with some sculpting completed) and new ideas being jotted down all the time to be slotted into production.
An informal crowd-funding program may be a way to move some of these other ideas into production faster because we would A. know which sets were in highest demand and B. could leverage the "wisdom of crowds" to plan and critique the design of a set in development so that it could be done quickly.
We envision NOT using a platform like Kickstarter with it's fees and high level of management but just running it through our own site. The ideas being discussed now revolve around how it would be managed and what the "rewards" would be.
We want to keep it as simple and focused as possible. So this is what we propose for a crowdfunding project. We wouldn't start this (if at all) until well after the contest winner is already in process.
To start it would only be one set at a time - we would start by having a public vote on 5 or so sets and the winner would be the one that goes into the crowdfunding process (if the program was successful and well-subscribed, we'd increase the number of new projects over time)
After some public discussion of what would be in the set - number of poses, types of weapons/arms, etc. we would get to work and present either an initial sculpt or concepts
We'd use those concepts/sculpt to have another round of voting - a simple yes, no. If the yes votes win by a % majority (TBD) the set would then go on pre-order with an estimated release date several months in the future.
Instead of rewards or stretch goals - it would be more simple. The set would be sold at a discount compared to regular prices with higher discount levels for 3, 5, 10 box deals as we normally do. So the "reward" for the backers would be that the set would actually be made and they would get it at a good discount along with free shipping. The downside is that they would have to wait for it.
The project would move ahead once $10,000 USD was pre-ordered. If $10K was not reached, backers would be issued a store credit
Let us know what you think of that as a concept.
post from facebook so comment there if you want to be heard for certain (although i'm sure Lord marcus can pass on comments from here too)
Positives:
More kits can be made faster
gives you a chance to try what you think are more risky ideas
people get excited and involved
having people put down real money means (at least at some point in the process) you remove the folk who say they want a kit but never actually buy it
Potential negatives:
Store credit is not going to be as appealing as a real refund (but I guess there may be fee implications and/or issues with a processor wondering why so many refunds are being made?), not a deal breaker but make the idea less attractive
(how long the money for a kit would be 'held' could also be an issue, not clear how long they'd be given to reach funding)
a temptation to carry on with a 'failed' kit especially if you've paid for a degree of sculpting work.... also pushing from those that did want it enough to pay
easy to upset gamers (some who don't read, or won't admit they did) who will claim you 'promised' to make kit X and do their best to create bad feelings, shout bait and switch etc
Yes I can pass along commentary
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I collect:
Grand alliance death (whole alliance)
Stormcast eternals
Slaves to Darkness - currently Nurgle but may expand to undivided.
Deathwatch 
AdMech 
Necron
