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Those are ...okay. Not exciting enough to buy a whole box, but solid enough to trade for a single (to convert into not-Fezzik. Fauxzzik?).

chaos0xomega wrote:

Hard disagree. Western medieval knights and roman centurions/legionnaires are babys first History Channel crush, followed by Landsknechts. I'm far from a casual and only really came to love the winged hussars recently, most casuals (aside from perhaps Poles and eastern europeans) in the west probably don't realize that winged hussars existed as they aren't something often featured or discussed (at least as far as the US is concerned).

Have to agree with this, from an American point of view, that part of polish history isn’t really taught in schools here. And, I can’t recall any popular movies about the winged hussars that came out here.

So… knights, romans, musketeers, pirates… even samurai… sure… but winged hussars I probably only came to like (yes like, like) in maybe 2015?

Oh and Spartan Hoplites, those are definitely up there in the babys first History Channel crush rankings (especially if you're from a town named Sparta like I am)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
By the way... just saw Ogre Landsknechts STLs in this KS

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joygamesinteractive/the-holy-roman-empire

Non-Wargames atlantic related note

Please note that TIPS will have these available when the kickstarter fulfills.


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heat 4 is up

Last Round of the 2nd Heat: https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/the-final-round-of-heat-2-round-4-of-4

Voted for
Classic Fantasy Rangers
Winged Sci-fi Birdmen
Death Fields Samurai
Sci-fi Civilians

And the Cataphracts, Apemen, and Space Bears did not make the cut

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I saved the previous polls for this heat. I don't know if examining the entries that made it that far is of any use, but the option is available.

Round 1
WW1 Ottomans
WW2 Female Resistance
Werewolves
Mexican Bandits/Zapatistas
Multi-Species Alien Set
Neanderthals/Cavemen
Plains War US Cavalry
Sci-fi Halflings
Kobolds
Classic Fantasy Trolls
US Vietnam
Landsknechts
Death Fields Space Pirates
Landsknecht Ogres
Classic Fantasy Dwarves

Round 2
Roman Civilians/Slaves
Space Cowboys
Cyberpunk Corporate Security
Medieval Warrior Women
Bronze Age Sea Peoples
Einherjar Bikers
Dark Age Welsh
New Zealand Maori Warriors
Insurgent and Irregular Moderns
Fantasy Sci-fi/Swordsmen of Mars
Space Amazons
Female Cannon Foddder
Chinese Warring States/3 Kingdoms Infantry
Ancient Egyptians
Modern Military Generic Infantry

Round 3
Medieval European Peasants/Townspeople
Carolingian Infantry
Ming Chinese
Hooded/Robed Monks/Cultists
Les Grognard Cavalry
Army Builder for Generic Dark Ages - 60 figures
VSF (Victorian Science Fiction) Martians
WW1/Civil War Russians
Sci-fi/Space Trolls with laser guns
Science Fiction Scouts/Snipers in Camoflauge
Modular Robots
Sci-Fi Jungle Fighters
Polish Winged Hussars
Dark Age Norse-Gaels/Scots
1980s NATO/Warsaw Pact

Round 4
Sengoku Era Japanese Samurai/Ashigaru
WW1 German Cavalry
Cyberpunk Gangers
Classic Fantasy Rangers
Exosuit Heavy Infantry (Power Armor Troops)
WWI Italian Troops (Infantry, Arditi, Bersaglieri, Alpini)
Classic Fantasy Beastmen
Space Russians
Elven Cavalry
Winged Sci-fi Birdmen
Apocalyptic Survivors
Death Fields Samurai
Sci-fi Wood Elfs
Fantasy Constructs/Golems
Sci-fi Civilians

Did the seven or so sci-fi options and that was it this time.

Oh wow Sci-Fi Samurai, isn't that cliche...

I'm bound by law to vote for anything with "cyberpunk" or"post-apoc" in the name

Gangers, Rangers, Golems and SF Civilians.


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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

I saved the previous polls for this heat. I don't know if examining the entries that made it that far is of any use, but the option is available.

It is useful, we know that broadly speaking most historicals don't make the cut and most fantasy and SF options do.

still hoping for a complete WW1 infantry setup with the major powers (German, French, Italian, Austrian, Russian, Ottoman)

Well Italy could be yours for the right votes..

I voted for all the WW1 kits, also because I think the scenario is much more interesting for skirmish games than WW2

Agreed.
Not that I don’t like the setting of ww2, but it’s been done a lot. You don’t see as many ww1

I just need some good Skirmish rulesets for all these periods in time and historical. As I can’t really invest in several armies for all these different systems.

ww1 didnt have skirmisch battles only mass trenchline warfare

 skeleton wrote:
ww1 didnt have skirmisch battles only mass trenchline warfare

Trench raiding/patrols/local actions didn't happen?

lightfingers wrote:

 skeleton wrote:
ww1 didnt have skirmisch battles only mass trenchline warfare

Trench raiding/patrols/local actions didn't happen?

No the just lined up everything they had against the troops in the trench.


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Anyway my point being, small little actions with whatever story you want make a better game. I’m sure we could all find a story to wrap around a game.
Tank crew isolated after it was destroyed, small section of the trench zoomed in to play out, probably look through any history book to find some cool small squad based ideas.

 skeleton wrote:
ww1 didnt have skirmisch battles only mass trenchline warfare

yeah and only Germany and France were involved

same as WW2 only had those big tank battles and city fights in Russia, don't think that there every was any fighting outside of Stalingrad at all

I think trench warfare was one of the smaller parts of the war going by numbers of troops involved.
It just went on a long while and is a more unique part so more memorable.

Heat 2, round 4 I voted:
Classic Fantasy Rangers
Death Fields Samurai
Sci-fi Wood Elfs
Fantasy Constructs/Golems

As cliche as scifi samurai may be, someone please point me to a quality plastic kit of them.

...I'll wait. Closest we've seen is probably the Malifaux ones, and that kits a bit all over the place.

Hell, a modern samurai kit would be cool too. Ideally if the parts could be generic enough they could function as regular samurai too.

My take on the Hussars- I can remember my dad reading a book to us as kids about the battle of Vienna and their massive charge. It's stuck with me to this day.
My dad read us all kinds of books like that too. Good times.

Last heat had me voting for samurai naturally, along with birdmen and beastmen.

Don't most people get into winged hussars 'cos the Ravenwing banners were at least somewhat based on then?

Anyway, I definitely read *one* claim that the winged bits were useful for war 'cos they supposedly made a lot of noise to scare enemy horses. Not very convincing -- battles would surely always be noisy, and warhorses trained to cope -- but interesting. Supposedly the leopardskin saddle throws served a similar function, scaring enemy horses because predator smell...

well, the wings were mostly decoration and to make them bigger and more impressive
same as the leopardskin or that their horses were painted

yet we are still missing a lot of details as the "pictures" we have show them during parades and not in combat

one thing we know for sure is that the wings were mounted on the rider and not on the horse

for the sound of wings, not supposed to scare enemy horses but the enemy infantry, as 3000 winges during a charge would make a recognizable sound and the infantry know what is going to happen without seeing it

would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?

Probably not.

Yea but imagine all the enchantments you can put on them

chaos0xomega wrote:
would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?

Probably not.

You need to remember that each of those feathers on each of those wings was actually a kazoo.

Many a shell-shocked soldier still wakes up screaming with that sound in their ears.

chaos0xomega wrote:
would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?
Probably not.

by looking at what the charge distance of cavalry is, the rate of fire of guns and how far bacḱ cannon usually were, yes the infantry charged would hear it

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?
Probably not.

by looking at what the charge distance of cavalry is, the rate of fire of guns and how far bacḱ cannon usually were, yes the infantry charged would hear it

I remember reading the same thing but that may just have been GW rules rather than rigorously researched history and tactics.

It is possible of course that the Polish used the wings because they thought they would make a terrifying noise when charging (I bet it sounded great to the lancers themselves) but never really conducted detailed exit interviews with the unit that got charged to confirm they could hear it

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?
Probably not.

by looking at what the charge distance of cavalry is, the rate of fire of guns and how far bacḱ cannon usually were, yes the infantry charged would hear it

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 kodos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
would the sounds of 3000 wings be audible over the sounds of shouting, gun/cannon fire, the sounds of the horses galloping, steel clashing with steel, or any of the other sounds of a battlefield?
Probably not.

by looking at what the charge distance of cavalry is, the rate of fire of guns and how far bacḱ cannon usually were, yes the infantry charged would hear it

I remember reading the same thing but that may just have been GW rules rather than rigorously researched history and tactics.

It is possible of course that the Polish used the wings because they thought they would make a terrifying noise when charging (I bet it sounded great to the lancers themselves) but never really conducted detailed exit interviews with the unit that got charged to confirm they could hear it

A recreation of what it must have sounded like (starting at 1:22).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn37QfXw1-E

Sorry guys, how could I resist?
Besides, I know you love it.

In all seriousness though I'd have thought it'd be the spectacle of it. 3000 winged heavy cavalrymen descending on you evoking the image of a host of angels and righteous fury. Armour shining in the sun, gold or polished brass glinting, the pounding of 3000 sets of hooves is going to be all the noise you need. It'd be like rolling and unending thunder. Also remember that these guys were the premier heavy cavalry of their day, if you're being charged by them you're basically up the creek anyway.
I mean, if you have a solid pike block(the thing best able to resist their charge) you're pretty static and easy for them to avoid. They're not going to be charging into the front of you.

I think part of what enabled them to be as successful as they were were the differences in warfare and doctrine between eastern europe and western europe. Two very different environments with drastically different warfighting styles. The west tended towards more static infantry based combat where pike-blocks and firearms reined supreme, whereas the wide open plains of eastern europe favored a more mobile and fluid style of fighting that allowed cavalry in general to dominate out of strategic and operational necessity. Infantry and pikes played a role, but their employment and role was not as prominent as it was in Germany, France, the UK, etc.