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 Eilif wrote:
Said better than I could have!

Saying things better than we could have is Kid's whole niche on Dakka!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Eilif wrote:
Said better than I could have!

Saying things better than we could have is Kid's whole niche on Dakka!

Aw shucks.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 ChaoticMind wrote:
With multi-piece HIPS, pegs smaller than the foot are the absolute best, tabs are workable, nothing is basing and sculpt dependent, and puddles are a scourge. Tactical rocks are a separate issue but smaller is better.

+1 for pegs!

So much better than slots!

Pegs, just add to one foot! Make textured bases with holes for pegs!
Pegs! So useful!
Pegs!

I'm of two minds about pegs. On the one hand it's the best intersection of strength and ease of installation when it comes to plastic bases and because of that it would be my preferred way to have plastic figs delivered.

On the other hand, even though it's dead easy to quickly cut a hole in a plastic base with a knife (see the Vaan Saar above) I think there's a bigger set of hobbyists who would rather (with big footed heroic models anyway) just have two nice flat (on the same plane) feet that they can glue to a base without thinking twice about it. I think the community is just primed to want figs to glue straight to the base like any other space marine, Ork, Guardsmen, etc and it's hard to argue against the simplicity of not having to cut and level the bottoms of the feet at all.

With the way I do my basing, I'll take pegs or tabs to puddle bases any day!


[WGA products are so good, I put up with cutting off puddle bases (even while muttering under my breath about it)]

Thank you all for the interesting discussion on puddle bases.

In the legion today, our moderation team asked for photos of the groups creations using the Wargames Atlantic Afghans from the imperial conquests range.

A secondary question was also posed: what conversion parts would customers like to see for the afghans?

To allow for this conversation to be posed on dakka, I created a thread in the painting and modeling forum.

Link below

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/807394.page

What I'd like to see, as far as .stls and such is the Deathfields Upgrade sprue Pickelhaubes un-gassmasked, or the WWI German infantery heads and guns scaled up to death fields scale, as I want to use pretty much all of that for my Grognards and Oathmark Humans, though sadly they are too small to look good on the Oathmark bodies, and barely acceptable for the Grognard bodies for my taste.
Maybe some horsehair plume upgrades for pickelhaubes while you are at it? Uhlan helmets, or as Ancestral Hamster said Napoleonic French Line Dragoon helmets and Bavarian raupenhelm would also be cool, no I never really played Team Fortress 2, why do you ask?
Though I would not do it via patreon, as that site is blacklisted in my book, but I would be open to just buying individual .stls or collections of them.

In regards to puddlebases, not a fan, I can live with cutting them off, but would rather not have to. Tabs or peg are more to my liking if we need to have something.
As for kits, I would be up for a box or two of Death fields Samurai/Ashigaru à la Red Alert 3's intro cinematic. Otherwise I don't really know, pastic WWII Norwegians? Really niche, and everyone who make them end up going bankrupt, so maybe not.

I don't play historic wargames, but I'm sure given the glacial pace of cultural change in the inaccessible regions of Afghanistan you could probably release earlier/later weapons/arms to suit the same bodies from the kit, which could then be used for players with pre-firearms AND post-jezails eras? Surely some gamers would like to do a USSR-invasion era?

I don't know if the models are to heroic or historic scale, but even generic range of fantasy (bows, spears) and sci-fi guns would give them more versatility.

 RustyNumber wrote:
I don't play historic wargames, but I'm sure given the glacial pace of cultural change in the inaccessible regions of Afghanistan you could probably release earlier/later weapons/arms to suit the same bodies from the kit, which could then be used for players with pre-firearms AND post-jezails eras? Surely some gamers would like to do a USSR-invasion era?

I don't know if the models are to heroic or historic scale, but even generic range of fantasy (bows, spears) and sci-fi guns would give them more versatility.

The afghans are Historical scaled, similar to our boxers or 95th rifles, for example.

Good idea to release various weapon sprues for the Afghans.

 Easy E wrote:
Good idea to release various weapon sprues for the Afghans.

We have not confirmed the release of weapon sprues for afghans.

it is a good idea, however, so I'll make sure its not on the list for the plastics team.


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Landsknecht ogres are up for pre-order:

Blog post

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/landsknecht-ogres-on-pre-order

Store page:

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/classic-fantasy/products/landsknecht-ogres

https://wargamesatlantic.com/pages/release-schedule

the release schedule page is back

Oooh, official confirmations then for Les Grognard Raptor Cavalry and probably other stuff

New SP

Just to reiterate since it was appended earlier: the landsknect ogres set is on pre-order now.

Bag of french bread for the resistance girls for sure. Anyone making an 'Allo 'Allo skirmish game? Dunno what's on the left, guessing an Army Builder release from the monopose pose.

I love the tactical baguettes. I'm guessing saddle bag for Grognard Raptor Cavalry?

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I love the tactical baguettes. I'm guessing saddle bag for Grognard Raptor Cavalry?

Napoleonic camp followers?

Resistance?

Can't be for Les Grognards.

I asked Wargames Atlantic for cheese to go with the Les Grognards Command wine bottles. They'd never disappoint a loyal customer like me by providing bread first.

lord_blackfang wrote:Oooh, official confirmations then for Les Grognard Raptor Cavalry and probably other stuff

This is probably the set I'm most interested in. I quite liked the sprue of Les Grognards that I assembled and WGA has some great other troopers, but I've already got a fairly large Imperial Guard army.

However, a set of rough riders in the full Les Grognards atire would be a fantastic, and easily-justified addition to the army, especially since there are head options with gas masks to match the rest of my gas-masked army.

Very interested.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Landsknecht ogres are up for pre-order:

Blog post

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/landsknecht-ogres-on-pre-order

Store page:

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/classic-fantasy/products/landsknecht-ogres

These look better and better with each picture I see of them. They just ooze coolness and nostalgia. Definitely will be picking up a set.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I love the tactical baguettes. I'm guessing saddle bag for Grognard Raptor Cavalry?

Maybe for La Résistance Des Femmes? And there's a grenade visible on the other side.

Or maybe they're stale and they just wack you with them.


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Looking at the list of upcoming kits there is what I think is a list in order how close to being done they are:


German Sentries
SAS Commandos
British Infantry
India Mutiny British #1
India Mutiny British #2
India Mutiny Sepoys
Franco-Prussian War Bavarians
Warring States Cavalry
Warring States Chariots
Russo-Japanese War/WW1/Civil War Russians
Early 20th Century Japanese
Napoleonic Camp Followers
Modern "Operators"
Secret Set
Valkir
Warring States Infantry
Late Roman Army Builder
Germanic Warrior Army Builder
Late Roman Legionaries (2): Lorica Squamata)
Late Roman Legionaries (Unarmored)
Secret Set
Merovingian Franks
Thureophoroi
WW1 French Hotchkiss Team
WW1 German Maxim Team
Russian Army Builder
French Old Guard Army Builder
Farm Animals
Conquistador Cavalry
New Kingdom Eqyptian Archers
New Kingdom Egyptian Spearmen
Halfling Cavalry
Trojan Chariot
Spanish Napoleonic
Trolls
Afghan Cavalry
Raumjäger Command and Heavy Support
Einherjar Command and Heavy Support
Les Grognard Raptor Cavalry
Cannon Fodder Command and Heavy Support
Treemen


I'm assuming that the steps are

Box Design
Tooling
Part Check
File Prep
Layout
Additional Sculpting
Resculpting
Sculpting

With Box Design being the last step and sculpting the first.

Thank you @Kid_kyoto for the roundup.

Seeing Conquistador Cavalry on the list just cements my idea of doing a Dogs of War force using mainly WGA kits.

Conquistadors for Pikemen, Crossbowmen, and Paymaster bodyguard.
Conquistador Cavalry for both Heavy and Light Cavalry... depends on the kit.
Landsknecht ogres as well Ogres.

Might see if the Northstar Heavy Dwarf infantry would scale well and use them for the Dwarfs.

Might be a bit early to get an answer, but are the Grognard Cavalry going to fit on the stand-alone horses out of the box? I hope they also come with enough flesh and blood legs for all riders, and not have everyone be cyborgs.

 stonehorse wrote:

Might see if the Northstar Heavy Dwarf infantry would scale well and use them for the Dwarfs.

The regular NS Dwarf Infantry, without puddle-base is about a head taller and slightly thinner than the 6th Ed and Battle for Skull Pass Dwarfs, you get pretty much the same high by cutting of their legs between the boots and the chainmail, I would assume that the same goes for the heavy infantry.
Their arms and weapons are also noticeably smaller compared to the 6Ed/BfSP Dwarfs, but as long as you don't have them in the same regiment they should pass casual inspection.
Unmodified the Dwarfs should be about shoulder to chest height depending on pose and headwear when compared to the WGA Conqs.

Female cannon fodder now arrived in the UK (the sprue shop just delivered my preorder) so if you were waiting grab them now as i suspect this first batch wont last long

Nice to see some Chariot wars with New Kingdom Egyptians, but if they do not come out with a chariot.... they are missing the draw of the period.

 Easy E wrote:
Nice to see some Chariot wars with New Kingdom Egyptians, but if they do not come out with a chariot.... they are missing the draw of the period.

They need to come out with some Hyksos chariots first, to teach the NKE the value of cavalry.

It'll just be art imitating life if that happens.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Nice to see some Chariot wars with New Kingdom Egyptians, but if they do not come out with a chariot.... they are missing the draw of the period.

They need to come out with some Hyksos chariots first, to teach the NKE the value of cavalry.

It'll just be art imitating life if that happens.

I'll forward this suggestion to the design team.

How else would you further expand the first empires range?

If we’re talking chariots? Hittites to fight the Egyptians, Mitanni to fight the Hittites, Canaanites to fight with and against the Egyptians, and Assyrians to fight everyone.

Most of those can probably done with one or two chariot kits, and options for crew

 Wargames Atlantic wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Nice to see some Chariot wars with New Kingdom Egyptians, but if they do not come out with a chariot.... they are missing the draw of the period.

They need to come out with some Hyksos chariots first, to teach the NKE the value of cavalry.

It'll just be art imitating life if that happens.

I'll forward this suggestion to the design team.

How else would you further expand the first empires range?

There's so much that could be done that it's hard to narrow it down!

I will say that I'm in love that you guys have a Trojan chariot in the pipe line, and am very keen for thureophoroi troops because they will be so generic - great for any kind of militia type unit in ancient Italy and Greece, at least.

For the ranges you have existing/in the pipe line / I would imagine to be pretty popular:

- Trojan/Mycenaean Infantry in both heavy and light variations. For the heavies I feel like there need to be a ton of different helmets, or at least crest options to allow for creating a suitably unique heroic band of individuals for the clash of Troy, the voyages of Jason etc.

- Sea People / Sherden: This kit would also basically be an extension of the Trojans and Mycenaeans in addition to being both allies and enemies for the Egyptians, so probably makes more sense to do first. Also they may have been a partial inspiration for the Atlantis myth, so bonus points for cool. (Double secret bonus: it is thought that one group of sea peoples -the Peleset if my memory is correct- may have been composed of 'Eteocretans' - that is, the people of Crete who retained a Minoan culture and identity instead of acculturating to the Mycenaean was of life after they invaded Crete. So maybe useful for representing the Minoans to some degree as well.)

- Babylonians and Assyrians: I would add Sumerians/Akkadians to this list, but I feel you might want to gauge support for Sumerians first, as sometimes I'm not sure anyone other than I want them lol. But these are factions that to me are poster children to the concept 'first empires'. If you wanted a more unique direction, the Elamites would would super cool and could potentially even also cover the mysterious Harappans of the Indus valley. (if you're not too familiar with the histories of these peoples, I strongly suggest 'history with Cy' on YouTube. He's got a real passion for the period, does the research and isn't trying to skew the narrative one way or another. https://www.youtube.com/c/HistorywithCy/videos )

-Celtic / Germanic warrior women: I'm convinced these would sell well, particularly if there was the 'nude fanatic' option. I don't know how much -if any- historicity there would be to these, but like I said, I'm convinced they would sell, and I'm a big fan of you and your company, and I want you guys to do well. I'm sure the Victrix male nude fanatics are both very cold and very lonely by now.

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Things I'm not sure would be popular/ or don't directly fit into your ranges:

- Sumerians and Elamites, as mentioned before

-Hittites (It's worth mentioning that for A LOT of middle eastern bronze age factions, you might be able to get away with a generic 'light infantry/militia' and then make the heavy infantry more faction unique with options in a kit meant to cover multiple factions.)

-Yue (BaiYue/ MinYue etc): a term for the people and culture in what is now southern China, these ancestors of the Cantonese (and other, non Cantonese speaking groups) seem to have more affiliated with Austronesian or Thai languages rather than a form of Chinese. They would serve as the prime enemy for your warring states range.

I'm not sure how big the market for these would be, but I'm not aware of any Canaanite/Old Testament Palestinian troops like the Israelites, Philistines and other Levantine troops from about 1000 BC - 500 BC or so. I think a lot of them could be differentiated through different helmet options.

Regarding puddle bases, they're okay, but I'd rather have tabs like the LotR SBG figures have, but obviously people who like multi-base options or really thin bases (like coins, for example) might not be well served with tabs.

Sea people would be awesome, but would need a lot of head options. Some head options, especially the Sherden, could be used in heavily armored Egyptian infantry for mercenaries and special guards. For mercenaries, Nubian archers and Lybians would be fun.

I like the idea of the Elamites. History with Cy does a good job selling the Elamites as long time hated enemies of the Babylonians.


Sumerians would be cool. They wouldn’t really match the late Bronze Age armies, but they have a distinctive look and iconic war wagons.