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2019/05/17 13:07:17
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Fixture of Dakka
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Kanluwen wrote:pm713 wrote: D6Damager wrote:I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.
There's ignoring logic for coolness and something being stupid. The transport is the latter.
Is it though?
We don't know what the vehicle actually uses, if it's anti-grav or hovercraft or whatever.
We just know the inspirations behind it:
-Higgins Boat.
-LVT "Amtank" variants(turret placement).
-Hovercraft's "skirts".
I don't hear you people flipping out over the Land Speeder being stupid, despite it having armored grav plates--which is what this thing looks to have--and a steering vane that hangs down from the hull.
If this thing isn't supposed to be flying high(remembering that most things that are classified as Skimmers can actually operate fairly high up), I see no problem with the steering vanes being mounted where they are.
They're in a universe where many enemies can fly and just drop a grenade into the middle of the transport to kill everyone. Or have artillery do it. Land Speeders aren't transports and don't have a giant -EXPLOSIVES HERE- section. It's somehow worse than the Stormsurge having half the crew exposed which is something.
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2019/05/17 13:13:01
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Those already exist in 40K.
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2019/05/17 13:14:39
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Existed
Squats don't exist anymore. Well, unless you count Necromunda, that is.
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/17 13:19:34
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Calculating Commissar
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Squats definitely still exist, they just got retconned into being "standard" abhumans with nothing particular unique about them- another source of auxillia to be ground up in the Imperial warmachine. They have been mentioned for a few editions now.
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ChargerIIC wrote:If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is. |
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2019/05/17 13:26:28
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Haighus wrote:Squats definitely still exist, they just got retconned into being "standard" abhumans with nothing particular unique about them- another source of auxillia to be ground up in the Imperial warmachine. They have been mentioned for a few editions now.
Yeah, but not as an army with their blimps and warmachines. Hence existed.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/17 13:35:28
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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BrianDavion wrote:you're fine with a universe including chainswords, WW1 tanks, but your limit is at a LST?
ooook.
Actually I don't have any problem with the Skitarii transport whatsoever. My issue was with the dismissive "But it's sci-fi!" argument, because that argument is bull gak.
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2019/05/17 13:39:01
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ultramarine Terminator with Assault Cannon
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AoS has BATTLE BLIMPS!!! (TM)
That's a new Specialist Game coming this December. You heard it hear first.
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2019/05/22 16:34:25
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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2019/05/22 16:40:30
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Huh, I guess they are hover craft. Well, there goes my speculation.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/22 16:57:33
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Arch Magos w/ 4 Meg of RAM
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the question is : will it have the Fly keyword or have a flavorful ability (fall back and shoot) without the full fly rules
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2019/05/22 17:00:23
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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It probably won't have fly as hover craft don't go airborne, but it will probably have some of movement rule.
If this were an earlier edition I'd guess that it ignores Difficult and Dangerous terrain, but those don't exist anymore.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/22 17:21:46
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
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2019/05/22 17:23:46
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Making any kind of rules related inference from a Regimental Standard article is just asking for disappointment.
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2019/05/22 17:26:24
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/22 17:28:19
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
Do people forget that there are "hover barges" that are described as operating similar to this thing in the first Eisenhorn novel?
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2019/05/22 17:38:39
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Why does the unfortunate orphans link to Blood Angels? You'd think they would use sisters or tempestus.
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2019/05/22 17:39:59
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Yeah, I didn't get it that one. Maybe its a vampire joke? Like, they eat the legs or something?
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/22 17:55:57
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
Its also quite obviously Imperial propaganda targeted at the Astra Militarum and not to be trusted. Unless you think the Skittari really do donate there legs to orphans?
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2019/05/22 17:56:39
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Redemption wrote:Why does the unfortunate orphans link to Blood Angels? You'd think they would use sisters or tempestus.
Likely because last edition had Skitarii and Flesh Tearers.
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2019/05/22 18:13:59
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Terrifying Doombull
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H.B.M.C. wrote:BrianDavion wrote:you're fine with a universe including chainswords, WW1 tanks, but your limit is at a LST?
ooook.
Actually I don't have any problem with the Skitarii transport whatsoever. My issue was with the dismissive "But it's sci-fi!" argument, because that argument is bull gak.
True, as 40k isn't sci fi at all. Its Fantasy in Space!
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Sterling191 wrote:Making any kind of rules related inference from a Regimental Standard article is just asking for disappointment.
And for the more recent discussion, also this. RS is parody of satire. It isn't in universe fact- just poking fun at the setting.
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2019/05/22 18:20:21
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
primitive by when's standard. for all the imperium knows it could be just as advanced or not. The Admech consistantly do things bassakwards due to their religious beliefs. the cushion could be for skimming mode and has enough oomph to gain altitude to cross over stuff they dont want to get that close to.
I really loved the regimental standard article! Cant wait to build both variants.
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2019/05/22 18:24:35
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
It's a joke article from the perspective of the Imperial Guard, trying to make them look better. As it says "primitive hover tech" chances are it isn't actually that, otherwise that wouldn't be ironic or humorous.
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2019/05/22 18:45:42
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Mighty Vampire Count
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle.
It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover.
They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it.
Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech).
I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle?
It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover.
Its likely primative like the eldar are backward, genestealers have "puny claws" and the Orks are weak, slow ad easily killed in close combat
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2019/05/22 19:02:34
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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I see you’ve been reading your Uplifting Primer, Guardsman.
Excellent. No executions today
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2019/05/22 19:59:05
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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It's going to be pretty funny if this thing that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck comes out and is, in fact, a duck with a stupid trademarkable name.
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2019/05/22 20:11:33
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Yodhrin wrote:It's going to be pretty funny if this thing that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck comes out and is, in fact, a duck with a stupid trademarkable name.
As we established earlier though, it's a Higgins Boat, not a DUKW.
I keep going back and forth on this model. I want to like it because of the aforementioned design heritage, and as the 40k Badcast put it "because it shows how every solution the AdMech come up with to a problem is just wrong" but something still holds me back. Probably be a "when I can see it on the shelf" type of decision.
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2019/05/22 20:14:26
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I still can’t decide how I feel about this thing. I just can’t shake the feeling that the vehicles in FW’s Heresy Mechanicum range are so much better that everything in GW’s Ad Mech.
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2019/05/22 20:18:11
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Mr Morden wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:Sunny Side Up wrote:It's not (necessarily) hovercraft in the sense of an air cushion vehicle. It's just hover-tech, making things hover. Those Space Wolves flyers also use hover-tech according to the background. To . well .. hover. They might also make Marty McFly a hoverboard, if they feel like it. Hover is a fairly generic word. Even helicopters (rotorcraft vehicles) hover (or are technically hover-tech). I am not sure why people think it must be an air cushion vehicle? It explicitly states that it uses primitive hover tech from the past, and I'm pretty sure Space Wolves flyers use anti-grav to hover. Its likely primative like the eldar are backward, genestealers have "puny claws" and the Orks are weak, slow ad easily killed in close combat ...I don't get it, all of this seems right to me - Eldar are primitive compared to necrons (my army) - Genestealers do have puny claws (compared to wraiths) -Orks are slow (movement 5") There is nothing wrong with those 3 statements, especially the part about Eldar being knife-eared primitives, who can't even do necromancy right.
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/22 21:49:10
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Kanluwen wrote: Redemption wrote:Why does the unfortunate orphans link to Blood Angels? You'd think they would use sisters or tempestus.
Likely because last edition had Skitarii and Flesh Tearers.
What Skitarii and Flesh Tearers have to do with orphans?
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2019/05/23 00:23:34
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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yeah never EVER use regimental standard for anything other then a laugh.
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