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Well let's break it down:

IMO $600 isnt a lot for a hobby that last 10yrs+ and gives well over 2,000 hours of entertainment.

Unless you have a reference for those stats they are completely made up.

the average person spends 10hrs a week on Netflix, if you are spending $15 then for 2k hours of watching you spent $750 dollars, thats more than the GW models.

The average Netflix user does indeed spend 10 hours watching per week, and that is the only thing correct about this. A subscription is $13 a month, or $0.303 per hour. Thereby, 2000 hours would be $606 spent in $13 increments over the course of 3.8 years. That is completely different from spending $650 up front. The two spending patterns aren't analogous even if the values are comparable.

But again, i was showing a cheap

Relative to other armies it is not cheap, and the relative measure is really all we have to go by.

competitive list,

It was with the last GHB, we don't know if it is now. The new values have shaken things up considerably for Idoneth, and what changes we see with the adjustments for newer armies coming later in the month could change it further by altering the strength of other top armies.

i had BoC for $400 that is with terrain.

I wasn't commenting on them, or on your advice overall, simply on one specific aspect. If you did mean to respond in terms of overall advice it is a substantial omission to not mention how your shopping list for Idoneth cost $40 more for less models.

Its all money and entertainment, i could have used movies, or working on cars instead.

This does not make spending $650 up front analogous to $13/month for four years.

But something else about it, at least your models you can sell, you cant sell the hours of netflix you used.

Yes, this is big reason for why a Warhammer army is not the same as a Netflix subscription. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well let's break it down:

IMO $600 isnt a lot for a hobby that last 10yrs+ and gives well over 2,000 hours of entertainment.

Unless you have a reference for those stats they are completely made up.

the average person spends 10hrs a week on Netflix, if you are spending $15 then for 2k hours of watching you spent $750 dollars, thats more than the GW models.

The average Netflix user does indeed spend 10 hours watching per week, and that is the only thing correct about this. A subscription is $13 a month, or $0.303 per hour. Thereby, 2000 hours would be $606 spent in $13 increments over the course of 3.8 years. That is completely different from spending $650 up front. The two spending patterns aren't analogous even if the values are comparable.

But again, i was showing a cheap

Relative to other armies it is not cheap, and the relative measure is really all we have to go by.

competitive list,

It was with the last GHB, we don't know if it is now. The new values have shaken things up considerably for Idoneth, and what changes we see with the adjustments for newer armies coming later in the month could change it further by altering the strength of other top armies.

i had BoC for $400 that is with terrain.

I wasn't commenting on them, or on your advice overall, simply on one specific aspect. If you did mean to respond in terms of overall advice it is a substantial omission to not mention how your shopping list for Idoneth cost $40 more for less models.

Its all money and entertainment, i could have used movies, or working on cars instead.

This does not make spending $650 up front analogous to $13/month for four years.

But something else about it, at least your models you can sell, you cant sell the hours of netflix you used.

Yes, this is big reason for why a Warhammer army is not the same as a Netflix subscription. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

1) Based on old information you can look up, you do research if you think im lying
2) That 15 is over 10yrs, i rounded for inflation in stead of guessing 10yrs of them going up in prices
3) Again, i did show cheap, i showed multiple armies, but if you wanted a competitive army others are not so cheap, even FeC you still need another 600pts to summon. For non-comp i showed BoC, Skaven, FeC are all cheap, easily can play for $400 with a battalion
4) That will still be competitive for IDK, will there be another comp list? Maybe, but as of right now that is still a very strong comp list. A few top players didnt do 2-3 scryer and 2-3 6-9man eels spam, they were using thralls (at least 20) and some even used Reavers with thralls. If anything with DoK changes, and soon to be FeC/Skaven, the power level will be the same with IDK as it was before.
5) Its not about models, its about value and points, You can go BCR with 20 models, but its still 2k army, why does model count even matter? Its the value of the model, larger/cavalry cost more.
6) You dont spend it all in 1 month if you dont have to, if you cant afford $600 in 1 month $400 you cant either, start with 1k army and play that for awhile. No one says you have to play 2k games. Also this is without discount, EVERYONE can get a 15-20 % discount. The cheapest army with book for 2k is about $400, with a %15 and after taxes its around $360 (taxes are 6-7.5 depending on where you are at and if you are not AUS)


You seem to be changing this discussion. How about this, you post YOUR "cheap" 2k army instead of saying others are wrong in how they explain it. I have listed $400-600 armies that has their Battle-tome, options, and terrain, lets see what you can do, show me your lists and prices.

Edit: Spelling

So this is an epeen measuring contest now?

Niiiice guys.

Anyways back on topic, as many people have said already if you are looking for as cheap as possible it is best to go for boxed sets eg SC!s or battle boxes.

Any set you get can be made ok with a little extra stuff added on, but the BoC and FEC SC are definitely the best forces in 4 SCs, most definitely ok

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So this is an epeen measuring contest now?

Well, no list/price, then you cant contribute to the discussion but trolling other peoples post. All you do is complain what others say and then dont actually add anything of value. I know now to just ignore what you say.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So this is an epeen measuring contest now?

Well, no list/price, then you cant contribute to the discussion but trolling other peoples post. All you do is complain what others say and then dont actually add anything of value. I know now to just ignore what you say.

Check the first reply of the thread.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So this is an epeen measuring contest now?

Well, no list/price, then you cant contribute to the discussion but trolling other peoples post. All you do is complain what others say and then dont actually add anything of value. I know now to just ignore what you say.

Check the first reply of the thread.

You named armies and nothing else, i showed the prices and what you can do, you questioned the cost and said its to much you again, so me your lists/prices or shut up about others doing that. Show me you can make a army 2k, for $400 with battletome and terrain.

There are actually even cheaper armies ($300 with rules) but... they are completely terrible armies that no one will want to play, i bet you dont eve know what those are.

Anyways, now that we have the new points in order we can look at armies without fear of an imminent nerf. I'm assuming you are looking for a general direction rather than a specific list to buy (correct me if I'm wrong).

Beastclaw Raiders: Not a great army, but 3x start collecting boxes will fill 2000 points easily. The main thing outside it that you may want is the yhetees for which I would recommend Reaper yetis as a cheaper alternative.

Rotbringers: 3x maggotkin start collecting plus a harbinger of decay plus glottkin will get you a pretty solid glott-blight cyst list going. You'll have two extra lord of blights, which could be sold or converted into other useful characters. The reality is you'd probably want to fill out the list with more blightkings though, so that could drive up the cost.

Flesh Eater Courts: The advantage here is you can almost throw together whatever you want and it will be decent if not strong. 2x start collecting, ebay an archregent, fill out the rest to taste.

Skaven Pestilens: Even with the point increase they are really strong. 3x start collecting (notice a pattern yet?) will give you enough for foulrain congregation which is a good way to fill out army points for cheap while remaining (quite) effective. You can sell off the third furnace or make it into a bell. However you will need three more plague monk boxes so you can do 3x40 monks, which is a daunting prospect in practicality.

Hedonites: 3x start collecting and a keeper, pretty sure it's been mentioned before in the thread and it hasn't changed. TBH you can do fine without a keeper unless your local meta is competitive, but it is such a great centerpiece...

Stocking up on the models from the Soul Wars starter remains an effective way to build armies as almost all of them remain either strong or decent (castigators and glaivewraith stalkers are the standouts here for being bad).

So to summerice every suggestion is to get 3x start collecting boxes and go from there? :-p

I would stil need a rulebook though, right? And nighthaunt and warriors of sigmar each seems like cheap options with all the starter sets. Are all of them playable?

Except castigators and glaivewraith stalkers, yes. The knight of shrouds on steed is also a bit of a dud; his on-foot version is superior or even just an allied vampire lord.

The factions where you can build an army mainly from start collecting boxes will tend to be the cheapest. However not all armies can be built from them and be viable without significant additional investment. Fyreslayers, for example, would need a ton of money spent in addition to SC boxes to make a proper force.

Daemons are good for Start Collecting-heavy armies; they're most synergistic built for mono-god and most gods just have the Greater Daemon and one or two other units that aren't in the Start Collecting box (Screamers/Flamers for Tzeentch, Beasts for Nurgle, Fiends for Slaanesh, and Flesh Hounds for Khorne)

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Daemons are good for Start Collecting-heavy armies; they're most synergistic built for mono-god and most gods just have the Greater Daemon and one or two other units that aren't in the Start Collecting box (Screamers/Flamers for Tzeentch, Beasts for Nurgle, Fiends for Slaanesh, and Flesh Hounds for Khorne)

Tzeentch SC has Pink Horrors, Screamers, Flamers and Chariot/Herald/Exalted Flamer. Missing is Blue/Brimstone Horrors. I should have just bought SC boxes instead of boxes of Pinks, as the SC is a big savings and all of it is useful.

Screamers are the only meh option in there and even without them it would still be worth it.