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2019/10/26 03:10:04
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Eh. I'm surprised to see so many people several versions behind. Especially stopping at 8, which was pretty rubbish.
I've had 10 for two years now, had no problems, compatibility or otherwise, even did a clean install when my boot drive failed and it took a fraction of the time I expected with no issues at all.
I think the only issue I've had is lack of a default media player for reasons that I can't discern. The invasive pestering can be cut down to prior levels, but that kind of thing hasn't been avoidable for decade*. We're just more aware of it now.
*barring the obvious method: no outside access.
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2019/10/26 06:59:05
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
8 was a mess at launch but a huge part of it was the madness of putting a tablet system onto a desktop. Plus madness such as getting rid of the start menu. 8.1 runs fast and smooth and has had the least number of crashes or issues I've had in a very long while on windows. Raytracing is about the only thing that I feel I'm missing with not having win 10 and it will be a few years before the latest directX is mandatory. So for me I don't see any real benefit to updating
H.B.M.C. wrote: So you can either be forced to use the Epic store, or be forced to get Windows 10.
No thanks.
Someone slap this on that meme where the guy is sweating and trying to decide which button to push
3 doors meme is better:
MS store, Epic and pirate bay.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/10/26 10:59:13
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
I mean, even if you have 10(I now do, because 3D Builder is just too useful for fixing STL files for printing), the Windows Store is hardly an appealing alternative to Epic.
Hmm, do I want to give all my personal information to Tencent and Epic in exchange for an inferior experience to Steam, or do I want to allow the Windows Store(per their terms of use) access to every part of my PC including all files and search history and also be subject once again to the Microsoft telemetry systems I spent hours trying to gut out of W10 when I first got it?
Pass. I'll wait and see, maybe I get it on Steam in a year, maybe they get beaten to the punch and I hoist the colours, in which case they might get a fiver in a Steam sale eventually.
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2019/10/26 12:08:16
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Yodhrin wrote: I mean, even if you have 10(I now do, because 3D Builder is just too useful for fixing STL files for printing), the Windows Store is hardly an appealing alternative to Epic.
Hmm, do I want to give all my personal information to Tencent and Epic in exchange for an inferior experience to Steam, or do I want to allow the Windows Store(per their terms of use) access to every part of my PC including all files and search history and also be subject once again to the Microsoft telemetry systems I spent hours trying to gut out of W10 when I first got it?
Pass. I'll wait and see, maybe I get it on Steam in a year, maybe they get beaten to the punch and I hoist the colours, in which case they might get a fiver in a Steam sale eventually.
Plus the windows store basically just does not work if you read the reviews for any of the popular games there’s normally hundreds of 1* results just because games will not download or do download and just don’t work and ms seem to have no interest in fixing it.
Epics just shifty and I won’t use them either besides I’m not sure how long the epic store will last now that governments are starting to look at loot boxes etc and even mentioned back taxes in some cases. When your entire company is built on one game/micro transaction vehicle you look vulnerable since they are unlikely to be making any money off the epic store at the moment with all the huge bribes sorry exclusivity deals they made.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
2019/10/26 17:16:03
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Epic isn't just shifty, they're downright unsecure and will result in your personal information being stolen and do not give a damn about protecting it.
I mean feth, I will complain about Valve and Steam all day, but the fact is, they're still the best on the market, even if ta this point "the best on the market" is damning with faint praise.
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2019/10/27 05:51:56
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Overread wrote: 8 was a mess at launch but a huge part of it was the madness of putting a tablet system onto a desktop. Plus madness such as getting rid of the start menu. 8.1 runs fast and smooth and has had the least number of crashes or issues I've had in a very long while on windows. Raytracing is about the only thing that I feel I'm missing with not having win 10 and it will be a few years before the latest directX is mandatory. So for me I don't see any real benefit to updating
I've been using WIN 10 for over three years now, since 2017 on both my Home machine and my work machine. I've never once had a crash or problem with the system, I actually like it a lot more than WIN XP, which used to be my go-to.
2019/10/28 08:19:48
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Melissia wrote: Epic isn't just shifty, they're downright unsecure and will result in your personal information being stolen and do not give a damn about protecting it.
I mean feth, I will complain about Valve and Steam all day, but the fact is, they're still the best on the market, even if ta this point "the best on the market" is damning with faint praise.
Tbf, valves competition is not really competing and just works with exclusives, even the non epic ones. And that is imo more scummy then valves curation
Further though because many of their self selling Shops suck and the content on them (Ubisoft and Co. Atm und the AAA devs just don't manage top get the core demographic it seems ) steam as Nr 1 market place is more or less only really attacked by epic.
And in epics case, well, it's the worst market place with the worst security and the worst behaviour especially in regards to multiplattform and indy devs.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/10/28 16:40:01
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
LunarSol wrote: Can't watch at the moment. What happened now?
Mostly highlighting that Outer Worlds is basically everything Fallout wants to be and isn't. It's basically saying that Bethesda's dominance of the open world RPG environment game is coming to an end. At the same time it highlights many of the recent game and company faults that are plaguing the recent Fallout online game.
Basically he's beating the dead horse a lot, but its also highlighting that Bethesda is basically getting left in the dust by other developers. With games like Witcher 3 also on the market and the ever steadily approaching Mount and Blade 2 and loads of others its basically saying that if Bethesda doesn't improve their company attitude and policies and their actual game content (both in code and in content) then they are likely to fall to one side. Of course with Eldar Scrolls and Fallout its likely going to be a prolonged death because those are big and popular franchises and many gamers will still give them a go with new titles.
Having seen how Bethesda handled things ilke paid mods in Skyrim I have to say I mostly agree, Bethesda needs some new attitudes in their company. Sadly I suspect if they start losing market they'll just double down on the same money gauging strategies they've tried to use thus far which will only make things worse.
LunarSol wrote: Can't watch at the moment. What happened now?
Mostly highlighting that Outer Worlds is basically everything Fallout wants to be and isn't. It's basically saying that Bethesda's dominance of the open world RPG environment game is coming to an end.
Keep in mind, Outer Worlds isn't 'open world' in any sense (and benefits immensely from it). It doesn't waste a lot of time on vacuous empty 'content,' (which is the bread-and-butter of Bethesda's open world filler 'Radiant Quests') but instead story focused quests on fairly constrained maps. The map of one of the moons, Monarch, is the largest and comes closest, but the major areas have a quest tie-in, except for a couple stray buildings in the landscape. The rest of the game maps are centered around a single hub and small area around it, or just a small slice of a city and almost all the open buildings are relevant to something.
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2019/10/28 18:16:16
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Obsidian has always been the slightly less proficient, vastly more ambitious love child of Bethesda and Bioware. It's not really no surprise that given the opportunity, they could make something that appeals to the huge crowd that's been burned by both.
2019/10/28 22:19:42
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
LunarSol wrote: Obsidian has always been the slightly less proficient, vastly more ambitious love child of Bethesda and Bioware. It's not really no surprise that given the opportunity, they could make something that appeals to the huge crowd that's been burned by both.
Obsidian also is in many ways the spiritual successor of black Isle which created Fallout 2.
Imagine if bethesda would've given them more time and money for new vegas.
God that Fallout would've been probably the single greatest one ever.
One can dream.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/10/29 13:05:02
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
LunarSol wrote: Obsidian has always been the slightly less proficient, vastly more ambitious love child of Bethesda and Bioware. It's not really no surprise that given the opportunity, they could make something that appeals to the huge crowd that's been burned by both.
Obsidian also is in many ways the spiritual successor of black Isle which created Fallout 2.
Imagine if bethesda would've given them more time and money for new vegas.
God that Fallout would've been probably the single greatest one ever.
One can dream.
Yes they are! Meant to mention that and got hung up on the F:NV/KotOR2 side of things.
2019/10/29 14:39:18
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
LunarSol wrote: Obsidian has always been the slightly less proficient, vastly more ambitious love child of Bethesda and Bioware. It's not really no surprise that given the opportunity, they could make something that appeals to the huge crowd that's been burned by both.
Obsidian also is in many ways the spiritual successor of black Isle which created Fallout 2.
Imagine if bethesda would've given them more time and money for new vegas.
God that Fallout would've been probably the single greatest one ever.
One can dream.
It still was the best one, hands down for me. The story was epic, the characters were quirky and fun, and the landscape still awes me, even though most people think it's drab and ugly.
2019/10/29 14:47:43
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
It still was the best one, hands down for me. The story was epic, the characters were quirky and fun, and the landscape still awes me, even though most people think it's drab and ugly.
The ghouls launching off in the sabotaged rockets is one of the best moments in any Fallout game. Absolutely hilarious to see the rockets failing in various ways as Ride of the Valkyries is playing over a PA system
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2019/10/29 14:57:18
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
It still was the best one, hands down for me. The story was epic, the characters were quirky and fun, and the landscape still awes me, even though most people think it's drab and ugly.
The ghouls launching off in the sabotaged rockets is one of the best moments in any Fallout game. Absolutely hilarious to see the rockets failing in various ways as Ride of the Valkyries is playing over a PA system
That mission was one of the early highlights of the game. What I loved about FONV was that you would commonly be on your way following the main quest, only to have to stop to investigate something in the area, that would open whole new avenues for you, Exploring Nellis and Vault 22 will also go down as one of the more memorable parts of the game for me.
2019/10/29 20:28:42
Subject: Re:Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Posting something I found on Reddit regarding Blizzard's Self-immolation:
These were complete hearsay until the Overwatch 2 announcement confirmed several of them, which is why I’m posting them now.
These date from June 18th, allegedly posted on /v/ by an angry fired employee. Spoiler warning, etc. They were sorted by game. I’ve starred the SJW stuff.
Full disclaimer, these are from 5 months ago, things could have changed, blah, blah, blah.
Company Culture
It’s gotten really, really bad.
StarCraft and Diablo 3 are dead, the chase for esports $$$ is very definitely killing Overwatch, (hence Overwatch 2’s attempt at reframing the gameplay) Hearthstone is in trouble.
Battle for Azeroth is “an unmitigated disaster”.
4 projects cancelled last summer.
Anyone who started working there after 2004 had their salary slashed and a lot of people quit.
Morheim bailed and quit.
Higher-ups insist that every game become “esport-ready”.
Massive brain drain means that people who do not know how to make video games have been promoted into executive and supervisory roles.
Cheap labor shortage being filled by unpaid university student interns.
Crunch to the level that people are sleeping under desks and missing births and funerals.
Female employees forced to log and disclose their cycles. (WTF)
Artists let go and asset design outsourced to sweatshops in Asia.
Overwatch 2
These are the ones that have pretty much gotten confirmed by now.
Essentially Left 4 Dead with robots; think the seasonal event, but $60 and legally not-lootboxes.
Now a “completely lore-focused game”, with some backstory changes:
Tracer’s GF will die. She’ll be paired with Widowmaker.
McCree is a clone of S76.
[SJW] Reaper and Widowmaker now LGBTQ+ for quota reasons.
New third faction with hero that can raise the dead.
[SJW] Women of color who were working on the game requested transfer after being “creeped out” by 4 overweight white men salivating over “a game with no white men”.
[SJW] Several years ago, the ethos of the studio was to keep heads down and avoid ERA. Apparently most employees on the OW team are now are True Believers who keep ERA open all day as they work.
Belgium’s law killed lootboxes, but seasonal purchases are aggressively timed now.
Couch co-op coming for console versions.
No engine upgrade to make the Switch port doable.
Diablo 4
Massive shareholder backlash over Diablo Immortal. Not because of fan backlash, but because of some other reason, unknown.
First-person “shooter”, made in the Overwatch engine.
Overwatch-style ult mechanics. (Press “ULT” to win…)
Meant to be a replacement for Destiny.
Plans to pitch it to journos as the “first fantasy looter-shooter”.
1,000 years after Diablo 3, the angels are now the bad guys, you fight with the demons.
Tagline is “LET OUT YOUR INNER DEMONS”.
Ending cutscene pulls some “subverting expectations” stuff that retcons all the previous games.
Launches Spring 2021 on new XBox, PS5, battle.net, and Microsoft’s Stadia streaming thing.
World of Warcraft
Devs literally not allowed to talk about FFXIV.
[SJW] There’s a “no negativity rule” that stifles discussion of why the game is losing subscribers.
Lootboxes were planned, but Belgium’s law required reworking into a legally distinct thing.
Level Squash being tested for addition.
Reaction to Sylvanas story was written off as “eh, people will come around”.
Negative response to Chrissie Golden and Void Lords has Blizzard worried.
New expansion lowers level cap to 60 and scales everything (think TES:Online)
Vulpera and Mechagnome join Alliance.
Race unlocks come to the in-game store as a paid unlock after the expansion ends.
Huge drama with WoW Classic
Classic devs “look like the happiest employees of the company”.
Whichever WoW team makes more money gets control of the whole IP.
WoW devs super-paranoid that Classic devs are gonna unseat them and are unsure where else in the company they can go.
BC and Wrath servers to be added to the Classic trilogy.
StarCraft
Blizzard on RTS: “It’s a dead genre.”
Story-based live-service shooter planned.
Tycus rebuilt as a cyborg or something.
Planned ending has him survive with a new enemy to lead into paid expansion DLC.
Game was designed “live-service first”.
Bizzard wanted to “out-Gears the Gears games”.
RPG elements planned.
After the last StarCraft 2 DLC flopped and Diablo 4 took up the FPS mantle, it’s likely this game will be delayed, cancelled, or DoA.
Hearthstone
These leaks were before the Hong Kong ****show.
New project lead appointed, hated by everyone on the team.
User loss is “staggering”. No Blizzard game has lost so many people so quickly.
Fear of governments classing card packs in lootboxes as gambling.
Experimental system in the works to restrict legendaries to paid adventures.
Dead as an esport.
Planned VR port killed.
TL;DR ****’s ****ed.
2019/10/29 20:36:28
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
Well, that reads like a mix of paranoid fantasies, outright incorrect info (vulpera are the next horde allied race, for example) and some alt-right whining.
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2019/10/29 20:43:37
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
A lot of it reads like trench perspective. It's not totally wrong, a lot of the problems are real problems, but the perspective is limited and a lot of the issues don't actually make it out of the trench. That said, the stuff that pertains to the people and not the properties is probably spot on and hardly unique in an industry in need of some worker protection.
2019/10/29 21:05:13
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
It still was the best one, hands down for me. The story was epic, the characters were quirky and fun, and the landscape still awes me, even though most people think it's drab and ugly.
The ghouls launching off in the sabotaged rockets is one of the best moments in any Fallout game. Absolutely hilarious to see the rockets failing in various ways as Ride of the Valkyries is playing over a PA system
T was glorious.
Why has bugthesda the fething IP?!?
Why * shakes fist angrily at the sky!
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LunarSol wrote: A lot of it reads like trench perspective. It's not totally wrong, a lot of the problems are real problems, but the perspective is limited and a lot of the issues don't actually make it out of the trench. That said, the stuff that pertains to the people and not the properties is probably spot on and hardly unique in an industry in need of some worker protection.
Heck if half of that post is true, then Jesus chriest man....
As for the later, didn't Konami use to be that pedantic?
Further Google got the stinkeye recently in switzerland for ignoring national workers rights
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/10/29 22:04:46
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
H.B.M.C. wrote: So you can either be forced to use the Epic store, or be forced to get Windows 10.
No thanks.
So, fun story.
First, I like Windows 10 just fine, more or less. I don't want to get into OS evangelizing because that's at least as ridiculous as that insane conspiracy theory posted by BCB and also because I'm not really a true believer anyway, there are some issues there despite it being mostly OK.
I thought TOW looked fun, but I am not into the Epic store for reasons already listed. So, I saw that windows is doing this trial of Xbox game pass for PC for $1 first month, $5 each additional, which means that I can play TOW for $1 on launch day. Sounded great. I tried preloading it the day before. Turns out it still had a heavy price.
First off, the in-browser elements went flawlessly, no problem. The problems began when it would launch the MS app or whatever it's called - my microsoft ID wasn't tied to my PC, because I log into my PC with a local login like literally every other normal person. I had to find the correct microsoft account, which I already had from when I had like, a first gen xbox or something, and then I had to create a pin for some reason, and then I was able to tie my PC to my account, but first I had to go into offline mode (which you can only do 3 times a year, for some reason!) and then re-attached. Whatever.
Then it kept saying I had no valid devices. I assumed it meant what it said, but I could install another game just fine, and did. So, I assumed what it actually meant was the game wasn't released yet, and wasn't explaining it well. So, I waited until the next day.
The next day, I still couldn't install it - and I was sure it had been released. turns out, you need a specific version of Windows 10 - the most recent one. Obviously I'm a few updates behind because I know there have been some disastrous Win10 updates. So, I did a Windows 10 update, which took like 2 hours (on a good PC). After that, the game installed and ran OK.
So, a lot of hassle to get it installed, but just playing it post install is like any other game, just open it. However, one niggling annoyance is that I can't take ownership of some of the subfolders. I'd like to delete the intro movies/ company logos, but I don't own the folder from a security perspective. Normally it's trivial to take ownership of a folder as an admin and do what you want, but I literally am unable to take over the folder. It's a pretty minor annoyance, but this is another big step into the idea that Windows 10 has more rights to running my PC than I do, such as updates whenever it wants, open unsaved work be damned. This doesn't apply to the unreal ini file which you can edit without issue. No ultrawide support and you can tweak the FOV in-game, so there isn't really anything to DO in the ini file, but you can edit it.
Anyway the next day I went to sign my wife up for the $1 trial and install the game, and everything worked flawlessly with none of the issues I had - just worked perfectly which was weirdly more annoying than repeating the issues I had. So, YMMV.
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2019/10/30 01:57:33
Subject: Surprise Mechanics (Loot boxes and other horrible mechanics currently plaguing games)
I can attest that Microsoft's account system is god awful. Even when you keep up with your MS account and stuff, it's a complete pain to do anything. Heaven forbid you ever need to update your security information. It's the worst boss fight ever.
LunarSol wrote: A lot of it reads like trench perspective. It's not totally wrong, a lot of the problems are real problems, but the perspective is limited and a lot of the issues don't actually make it out of the trench. That said, the stuff that pertains to the people and not the properties is probably spot on and hardly unique in an industry in need of some worker protection.
Heck if half of that post is true, then Jesus chriest man....
As for the later, didn't Konami use to be that pedantic?
Further Google got the stinkeye recently in switzerland for ignoring national workers rights
Voss wrote: Well, that reads like a mix of paranoid fantasies, outright incorrect info (vulpera are the next horde allied race, for example) and some alt-right whining.
That up there, is fake as gak. It reads like a 4chan wet dream post. Too much use of alt-right terminology.
With that said, there are a couple of things in there that I have also heard. Another supposed employee said back in August that the company does indeed keep a calendar of all female employee's cycles. I went back to reddit to look for the post, but with the mass spam of hong kong gak, I can't find it now.