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They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

Makes sense.
Plasma and gauss are extremely powerful sources of firepower, but lack stopping power, which is the main element of an anti infantry weapon.

If a gaunt comes at you, plasma and gauss will hurt him but will cause a localized damage that will not stop it. A bolter shell causes a much greater shock, so it is more likely to stop/kill the target.

Spoletta wrote:
Makes sense.
Plasma and gauss are extremely powerful sources of firepower, but lack stopping power, which is the main element of an anti infantry weapon.

If a gaunt comes at you, plasma and gauss will hurt him but will cause a localized damage that will not stop it. A bolter shell causes a much greater shock, so it is more likely to stop/kill the target.

that makes not much sense, plasma literally blows you into bits.
Also gauss is known for its devastating effects against vehicles and wound less than a simple bolt rifle?

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

 0XFallen wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Makes sense.
Plasma and gauss are extremely powerful sources of firepower, but lack stopping power, which is the main element of an anti infantry weapon.

If a gaunt comes at you, plasma and gauss will hurt him but will cause a localized damage that will not stop it. A bolter shell causes a much greater shock, so it is more likely to stop/kill the target.

that makes not much sense, plasma literally blows you into bits.
Also gauss is known for its devastating effects against vehicles and wound less than a simple bolt rifle?

The effects of the weapon don't matter. If a plasma hits a gaunt on a shoulder, the gaunt will lose a limb. This will not stop it, nor will stop an ork or a crazied cultist.
A bolter shot to the shoulder will cause an explosion, blow away the target and cause major shock to the internal organs. The bolter is simply more deadly against infantry.

Also, as already said, the stats are for a salvo of bolters, not a single bolter.


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By the way, where are you seeing these stats?

Spoletta wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Makes sense.
Plasma and gauss are extremely powerful sources of firepower, but lack stopping power, which is the main element of an anti infantry weapon.

If a gaunt comes at you, plasma and gauss will hurt him but will cause a localized damage that will not stop it. A bolter shell causes a much greater shock, so it is more likely to stop/kill the target.

that makes not much sense, plasma literally blows you into bits.
Also gauss is known for its devastating effects against vehicles and wound less than a simple bolt rifle?

The effects of the weapon don't matter. If a plasma hits a gaunt on a shoulder, the gaunt will lose a limb. This will not stop it, nor will stop an ork or a crazied cultist.
A bolter shot to the shoulder will cause an explosion, blow away the target and cause major shock to the internal organs. The bolter is simply more deadly against infantry.

Also, as already said, the stats are for a salvo of bolters, not a single bolter.


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By the way, where are you seeing these stats?

Check the Warhammer community side. the video shows necrons and space marines already have an article.

Also: If they talk about its stats being 1 role for the whole unit its even more rediculous, 10 Warriors with Gauss should be double likely to wound anything than 5 intercessors.

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

....I mean, if you look at actual in-game stats from 40k, a single gauss flayer is not equivalent to a single bolt rifle. The gauss flayer has 1 less AP than the bolt rifle, and slightly less range. Necron warriors have always been pretty similar in stats to basic space marines, so asking them to be the same stats as primaris marines is a little silly.

But for the points, Gauss Flayers actually ARE better against tanks than bolt rifles. They make tanks and infantry take more saving throws than bolt rifles do for the power level you pay for them.

assuming rapid fire range, bolt rifles cause .777 wounds vs infantry and .44 wounds vs tanks. Gauss flayers cause 1.11 wounds vs infantry and .666 wounds vs tanks. They're about 1/3 better offensively in shooting, and slightly less durable (unless Reanimation Protocols is some kind of universal Necron rule we haven't seen yet, they have made reference to some rules like And They Shall Know No fear which doesn't appear on the marine datasheets we've seen so far).

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

....I mean, if you look at actual in-game stats from 40k, a single gauss flayer is not equivalent to a single bolt rifle. The gauss flayer has 1 less AP than the bolt rifle, and slightly less range. Necron warriors have always been pretty similar in stats to basic space marines, so asking them to be the same stats as primaris marines is a little silly.

But for the points, Gauss Flayers actually ARE better against tanks than bolt rifles. They make tanks and infantry take more saving throws than bolt rifles do for the power level you pay for them.

assuming rapid fire range, bolt rifles cause .777 wounds vs infantry and .44 wounds vs tanks. Gauss flayers cause 1.11 wounds vs infantry and .666 wounds vs tanks. They're about 1/3 better offensively in shooting, and slightly less durable (unless Reanimation Protocols is some kind of universal Necron rule we haven't seen yet, they have made reference to some rules like And They Shall Know No fear which doesn't appear on the marine datasheets we've seen so far).

The gauss flayer actually has identical stats to a bolt rifle except for the range, but that is because 40k is a D6 system where those 2 weapons are similar enough that you cannot put them in a different tier. Since apoc uses a d12 system, they can differentiate more.

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

....I mean, if you look at actual in-game stats from 40k, a single gauss flayer is not equivalent to a single bolt rifle. The gauss flayer has 1 less AP than the bolt rifle, and slightly less range. Necron warriors have always been pretty similar in stats to basic space marines, so asking them to be the same stats as primaris marines is a little silly.

But for the points, Gauss Flayers actually ARE better against tanks than bolt rifles. They make tanks and infantry take more saving throws than bolt rifles do for the power level you pay for them.

assuming rapid fire range, bolt rifles cause .777 wounds vs infantry and .44 wounds vs tanks. Gauss flayers cause 1.11 wounds vs infantry and .666 wounds vs tanks. They're about 1/3 better offensively in shooting, and slightly less durable (unless Reanimation Protocols is some kind of universal Necron rule we haven't seen yet, they have made reference to some rules like And They Shall Know No fear which doesn't appear on the marine datasheets we've seen so far).

???

Gauss flayer RF1 24" S4 AP-1 D1
Only difference is that bolt rifles have 30" range...

You really spout nonsense.

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

....I mean, if you look at actual in-game stats from 40k, a single gauss flayer is not equivalent to a single bolt rifle. The gauss flayer has 1 less AP than the bolt rifle, and slightly less range. Necron warriors have always been pretty similar in stats to basic space marines, so asking them to be the same stats as primaris marines is a little silly.

But for the points, Gauss Flayers actually ARE better against tanks than bolt rifles. They make tanks and infantry take more saving throws than bolt rifles do for the power level you pay for them.

assuming rapid fire range, bolt rifles cause .777 wounds vs infantry and .44 wounds vs tanks. Gauss flayers cause 1.11 wounds vs infantry and .666 wounds vs tanks. They're about 1/3 better offensively in shooting, and slightly less durable (unless Reanimation Protocols is some kind of universal Necron rule we haven't seen yet, they have made reference to some rules like And They Shall Know No fear which doesn't appear on the marine datasheets we've seen so far).

Gauss Flayers and Bolt Rifles have the exact same profile except for range? They are both AP-1.

Well? In short?



There’s also the very real consideration that you’ll get less Marine models. So their guns pull more weight than say, the hundreds if not thousands of say, Lasgun.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well? In short?



There’s also the very real consideration that you’ll get less Marine models. So their guns pull more weight than say, the hundreds if not thousands of say, Lasgun.

So a 5 man unit has have way more fire power, more durability than 10 men warrior unit?

Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

And necron warriors actually cause more blast markers per power than intercessors, when shooting at infantry or vehicles.

 0XFallen wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well? In short?



There’s also the very real consideration that you’ll get less Marine models. So their guns pull more weight than say, the hundreds if not thousands of say, Lasgun.

So a 5 man unit has have way more fire power, more durability than 10 men warrior unit?

I mean, except that it doesn't. You haven't really addressed that fact, besides that EPIC GOTCHA that I didn't remember that they made gauss flayers have AP-1 in 40k. Which, fair enough.

A 5-man unit of intercessors has LESS firepower and more durability than a 10-man warrior unit in apocalypse.*

*Without knowing how Reanimation Protocols or any other army-wide special rules will work in apoc

Your stance here is that this is imbalanced.

Why.

Two units costing the same and one having greater offensive capability vs the other's greater defensive capability would, to me, seem balanced. At least on the surface. Certainly not worth your little temper tantrum here.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

Intercessors have already been demonstrated to be worse for their points at killing stuff than warriors. So uh. Try again I guess?


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I'd also like to point out at this moment that this is me, a poster primarily characterized as a rabid marine-hating xenos fanboi who always sides against the poor suffering spess mehrines.

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well? In short?



There’s also the very real consideration that you’ll get less Marine models. So their guns pull more weight than say, the hundreds if not thousands of say, Lasgun.

So a 5 man unit has have way more fire power, more durability than 10 men warrior unit?

I mean, except that it doesn't. You haven't really addressed that fact, besides that EPIC GOTCHA that I didn't remember that they made gauss flayers have AP-1 in 40k. Which, fair enough.

A 5-man unit of intercessors has LESS firepower and more durability than a 10-man warrior unit in apocalypse.*

*Without knowing how Reanimation Protocols or any other army-wide special rules will work in apoc

Your stance here is that this is imbalanced.

Why.

Two units costing the same and one having greater offensive capability vs the other's greater defensive capability would, to me, seem balanced. At least on the surface. Certainly not worth your little temper tantrum here.


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 Peregrine wrote:
Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

Intercessors have already been demonstrated to be worse for their points at killing stuff than warriors. So uh. Try again I guess?

???
Nobody stated its op, or unbalanced.
The only thing that is wrong is that Bolt Rifles are suddenly Plasma level.

You have not demonstrated, at all, that bolt rifles are "plasma level". What is the stats of a plasma gun? We've seen a "plasma incinerator" from the new repulsive tank, which has 2 shots/4 shots if the tank moved under half, SAP the same as bolt rifles, SAT on a 6+ (2 better than bolt rifles) and the "Supercharge" rule, which we don't know yet.

We've seen a Kustom Mega Blasta, which is one shot, SAP9, SAT5 with "supercharge"

And even if the "bolt rifles" statline were on par with plasma guns or close, you're still comparing one plasma gun to 5 bolt rifles, not one bolt rifle.

five bolt rifles are almost four times better at killing infantry in 40k, and only 25% worse at killing tanks than overcharged plasma.

If you replaced "lasguns" in 40k with "each squad of 10 guardsmen fires a single S10 Ap- D1 shot" then yeah. I'm fine with lasguns being better than plasma guns at wounding. You're condensing 20 shots down into 1.

the_scotsman wrote:
You have not demonstrated, at all, that bolt rifles are "plasma level". What is the stats of a plasma gun? We've seen a "plasma incinerator" from the new repulsive tank, which has 2 shots/4 shots if the tank moved under half, SAP the same as bolt rifles, SAT on a 6+ (2 better than bolt rifles) and the "Supercharge" rule, which we don't know yet.

We've seen a Kustom Mega Blasta, which is one shot, SAP9, SAT5 with "supercharge"

And even if the "bolt rifles" statline were on par with plasma guns or close, you're still comparing one plasma gun to 5 bolt rifles, not one bolt rifle.

five bolt rifles are almost four times better at killing infantry in 40k, and only 25% worse at killing tanks than overcharged plasma.

If you replaced "lasguns" in 40k with "each squad of 10 guardsmen fires a single S10 Ap- D1 shot" then yeah. I'm fine with lasguns being better than plasma guns at wounding. You're condensing 20 shots down into 1.

"SAP the same as bolt rifles" You said it yourself. If you only graze the shoulder with a plasma you didnt even reall hit, plasma is not a small like a bullet, its a huge mass of energy

Also you stated condensing, which goes against you if we look at necron warriors again, which are 10 gaussflayer shots condensed in comparison to 5 bolt rifles that should be about the same comparing 1 weapon vs 1 weapon, but is still worse despite the doubled weapons.

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
You have not demonstrated, at all, that bolt rifles are "plasma level". What is the stats of a plasma gun? We've seen a "plasma incinerator" from the new repulsive tank, which has 2 shots/4 shots if the tank moved under half, SAP the same as bolt rifles, SAT on a 6+ (2 better than bolt rifles) and the "Supercharge" rule, which we don't know yet.

We've seen a Kustom Mega Blasta, which is one shot, SAP9, SAT5 with "supercharge"

And even if the "bolt rifles" statline were on par with plasma guns or close, you're still comparing one plasma gun to 5 bolt rifles, not one bolt rifle.

five bolt rifles are almost four times better at killing infantry in 40k, and only 25% worse at killing tanks than overcharged plasma.

If you replaced "lasguns" in 40k with "each squad of 10 guardsmen fires a single S10 Ap- D1 shot" then yeah. I'm fine with lasguns being better than plasma guns at wounding. You're condensing 20 shots down into 1.

SAP the same as bolt rifles,

Also you stated condensing, which goes against you if we look at necron warriors again, which are 10 gaussflayer shots condensed in comparison to 5 bolt rifles that should be about the same comparing 1 weapon vs 1 weapon, but is still worse despite the doubled weapons.

Yep. Necron warriors appear to have been cheapened somewhat in apocalypse, and they seem to be slightly lower quality infantry than intercessors, since you get 10 warriors for every 5 intercessors for the same power level.

Which matters...a lot, I guess? A unit in apoc is essentially a model in 40k. throwing a little tantrum because if you boil the weapon stats down to some theoretical single gun that doesn't exist at the apoc level and pretending that makes Intercessors more powerful than warriors in apoc is asinine. The single game piece that is "A squad of intercessors' and "a squad of warriors" costs exactly the same, one is slightly better at one thing, the other is slightly better at a different thing.

Also if you really think it makes sense to directly compare single stats of weapons in this game that clearly has different design decisions made, wait until I tell you that Necron Gauss flayers are BETTER at killing infantry than the main Kustom Mega Zappa gun on the Morkanaut! OMGWTFBBQ SO OP?!?! THE ONE HAS A NINE AND THE OTHER HAS A 7??!?!?!??????????

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
You have not demonstrated, at all, that bolt rifles are "plasma level". What is the stats of a plasma gun? We've seen a "plasma incinerator" from the new repulsive tank, which has 2 shots/4 shots if the tank moved under half, SAP the same as bolt rifles, SAT on a 6+ (2 better than bolt rifles) and the "Supercharge" rule, which we don't know yet.

We've seen a Kustom Mega Blasta, which is one shot, SAP9, SAT5 with "supercharge"

And even if the "bolt rifles" statline were on par with plasma guns or close, you're still comparing one plasma gun to 5 bolt rifles, not one bolt rifle.

five bolt rifles are almost four times better at killing infantry in 40k, and only 25% worse at killing tanks than overcharged plasma.

If you replaced "lasguns" in 40k with "each squad of 10 guardsmen fires a single S10 Ap- D1 shot" then yeah. I'm fine with lasguns being better than plasma guns at wounding. You're condensing 20 shots down into 1.

SAP the same as bolt rifles,

Also you stated condensing, which goes against you if we look at necron warriors again, which are 10 gaussflayer shots condensed in comparison to 5 bolt rifles that should be about the same comparing 1 weapon vs 1 weapon, but is still worse despite the doubled weapons.

Yep. Necron warriors appear to have been cheapened somewhat in apocalypse, and they seem to be slightly lower quality infantry than intercessors, since you get 10 warriors for every 5 intercessors for the same power level.

Which matters...a lot, I guess? A unit in apoc is essentially a model in 40k. throwing a little tantrum because if you boil the weapon stats down to some theoretical single gun that doesn't exist at the apoc level and pretending that makes Intercessors more powerful than warriors in apoc is asinine. The single game piece that is "A squad of intercessors' and "a squad of warriors" costs exactly the same, one is slightly better at one thing, the other is slightly better at a different thing.

Also if you really think it makes sense to directly compare single stats of weapons in this game that clearly has different design decisions made, wait until I tell you that Necron Gauss flayers are BETTER at killing infantry than the main Kustom Mega Zappa gun on the Morkanaut! OMGWTFBBQ SO OP?!?! THE ONE HAS A NINE AND THE OTHER HAS A 7??!?!?!??????????

Nah the main problem is the intercessors bolt rifles in my eyes.

Or are you telling me that there is not a single weapon in terms of power than the emperors sword (with which guilliman has tons of attack normally) and a standard bolt rifle? first wounding personals on 4+, bolt rifles on 5+

Truthfully it's one (or more) of these reasons:
A) It's arbitrary
B) They want to sell you units with bolt rifles.
C) Well. You're all going on about how Gw is incompetent, etc all the time anyways. Don't tell me you seriously expected Apoc to be different....

There's also the unlikely possibility that they've heard the sobbing of the internet hive-mind about how marines suck & decided to fix some of that in this version of the game.

But if I had to pick only 1 reason I'd go with B.

Spoletta wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Makes sense.
Plasma and gauss are extremely powerful sources of firepower, but lack stopping power, which is the main element of an anti infantry weapon.

If a gaunt comes at you, plasma and gauss will hurt him but will cause a localized damage that will not stop it. A bolter shell causes a much greater shock, so it is more likely to stop/kill the target.

that makes not much sense, plasma literally blows you into bits.
Also gauss is known for its devastating effects against vehicles and wound less than a simple bolt rifle?

The effects of the weapon don't matter. If a plasma hits a gaunt on a shoulder, the gaunt will lose a limb. This will not stop it, nor will stop an ork or a crazied cultist.
A bolter shot to the shoulder will cause an explosion, blow away the target and cause major shock to the internal organs. The bolter is simply more deadly against infantry.

Also, as already said, the stats are for a salvo of bolters, not a single bolter.


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By the way, where are you seeing these stats?

Plasma is explosive dude. There is nothing left unless it's a marine sized target, and even then a plasma blast will eliminate much of a marine's body from the impact. The idea that 10 bolters are superior to a single plasma gun in terms of penetration and damage is laughable when one of these weapons is firing plasma supearheated to temperatures greater than two million degrees Fahrenheit.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. There are more marine players so marine problems are much more discussed and known about in general. Still sucks because if GW is going to balance things it is much more likely to be a power cost change than a weapon profile change. Although we should know Imperial Privilege is a thing when you have 4ppm guardsmen looking at 5ppm cultists and cultists needed ANOTHER nerf. Emperor protects.

Let's quickly pull up the relevant spoilers:




So 5 intercessors - 5 bolt rifle rounds - gives you 1 shot, wounding on a 5+ against infantry

By comparison, ork weapons - this time individual guns:


5 hits from bolt rifles put down a blast on a 5+ (~58% chance), to a big shoota's 3-shot burst doing it on a 7 (42% chance). That makes 5 intercessor bolt rifles about 1.4 times better than a single big shoota.

The advantage of the bolt rifle salvo is greater than in 40k if firing at T4 targets (1.25), but less than if firing at T3 targets (1.6).

That feels about right, frankly.



Comparing to the Macro Plasma, remember that you've got 2 attacks from the tank gun. So whilst each attack has the same 'punch' as a bolt rifle attack, that's a consolidated equivalent of 5 rifle shots. So that gun has the equivalent punch of 10 bolt rifles....or not a million miles from a close-up hurricane bolter burst, which is about what I'd expect from a tank gun.

Against tanks, with damage 6+ vs 8+, each shot is about 1.5 times as good, plus two attacks, means each macro plasma is about as good as 15 intercessors.

Also remember that intercessors on this scale have 'just' got bolt rifles....in 'reality' (if you were playing 'proper' 40k or even kill team) there will also be grenade launchers lobbing krak grenades in there as well.

It's like old-style Epic Armageddon. Small Arms for tactical marines was 1 die on a 4+, equivalent to a leman russ battlecannon shooting attack. That's not saying bolters hit as hard as battlecannons.

 Peregrine wrote:
Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

LOL - What game have you been playing all these years?

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

LOL - What game have you been playing all these years?

My DA would love to know. Someone’s agenda doesn’t mesh with reality it seems.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Because 40k is erotic space marine fanfiction, and we can't have a space marine unit that has trouble killing stuff.

LOL - What game have you been playing all these years?

I suspect he hasn't

 0XFallen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 0XFallen wrote:
They wound as good as plasma, better than gauss, even better against tanks than gauss...

The statline is for five bolt rifles, condensing their firepower into a single (or two, if within half range) shot. The plasma gun statline is for a single plasma gun. The Gauss Flayer statline gets double the number of dice, because it is for 10 gauss flayers - you'd get 2 shots at full range or 4 at half vs 1/2 for bolt rifles.

Let's be honest here bolters in 8th edition are not remotely up to the standards that they're supposed to be in the fluff. It makes sense they'd get a boost for apocalypse
So what? It doesnt matter how many are in a unit.

Even 1 bolt rifle vs 1 gauss flayer should be equal and gauss being better against tanks.

1 bolt rifle almost wounds as good as the emperors fething sword.

keep in mind that GW may also be assuming with these rules the bolt rifles are being fired with the bolter disipline rules so that's 4 shots from each of the boltrifles