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it's the natural evolution for marine tanks, old marines went for the WWI aesthetic for their inspiration,

the primeris is looking to the 30s pre WWII when lots of tanks with multiple turrets were designed by pretty much everybody (many of which looked like the designer had been scrabbling in the bits box)a

Edit: and quite a few of them had a pretty mixed loadout too, infanty suppression with MG turrets, antitank with 37/45mm high velocity guns, and anti fortification/infanty support with a larger lower velocity howitzer

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
it's the natural evolution for marine tanks, old marines went for the WWI aesthetic for their inspiration,

the primeris is looking to the 30s pre WWII when lots of tanks with multiple turrets were designed by pretty much everybody (many of which looked like the designer had been scrabbling in the bits box)a

Edit: and quite a few of them had a pretty mixed loadout too, infanty suppression with MG turrets, antitank with 37/45mm high velocity guns, and anti fortification/infanty support with a larger lower velocity howitzer

If they retained that retro charm with excessively riveted hulls and non-streamlined hulls that would be one thing, but GW is going for a sleek sci-fi look instead. Honestly Primaris look much more sci-fi anime than real world inspired to me in that regard.

I dread to see the Dread. It's a sad, skinny looking thing from what I can discerned from the blurred video. I really hope good pictures will change that impression. I love Dreadnoughts. Except Contemptors. They're contemptible.

Yeah I left all the extra grenade launchers and stuff off the turret of my Repulser. Just got the Las on it.

Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

Can't disagree disliking the icarus rocket pod. It's a funny looking thing and weird in the game. I find that it's irritating to have to fire the thing, usually with no effect.

It might make sense for a tank like a repulsor to have some kind of AA gun attached. What makes no sense is to have a tiny one that does nothing.

I'm not much of a fan of the grenade launchers either. They'd be cooler if they were belt fed grenade launchers that could pivot to aim at things, rather than these weird boxes containing a few grenades to be fired in random directions.

I do like the coaxial guns and pintle mounts, which are pretty like real tanks. The little storm bolter turrets are a bit silly but I quite like them.

I see the grenade launchers as more being intended to be fired off just before you let your troops off in a circle around the vehicle. the idea not being to kill anyone but to supress enemy fire as your troops disembark. and frankly would have liked to see rules to reflectthat use rathert then just 'moar gunz!"

No One Important wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Always worth remembering that we Brits don’t write our dates like that.

We do it properly!

But the man running the show pronounces lieutenant properly. To go full blown conspiracy theorist on this, that may be a hint he's not using the British dating system.

No he doesn’t. He pronounced it the American way, that was a conscious decision in the script for the video, and it made him wince every time he did it.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

I do not believe that is correct. The Tau are anime inspired.

The first Space Marines were distinctly Medieval in design, featuring highly segmented foot armour and a Bascinet style helm. I believe, though I forget where I heard it, that the more detailed armour styling on the feet was changed because the Plastic moulding technology of the time was not up to the task. The decision to change the legs to the RTB01 style (first plastic Space Marines) of flared leg armour has informed the design of Space Marines ever since.

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

I do not believe that is correct. The Tau are anime inspired.

The first Space Marines were distinctly Medieval in design, featuring highly segmented foot armour and a Bascinet style helm. I believe, though I forget where I heard it, that the more detailed armour styling on the feet was changed because the Plastic moulding technology of the time was not up to the task. The decision to change the legs to the RTB01 style (first plastic Space Marines) of flared leg armour has informed the design of Space Marines ever since.

What year are these from ?

the yeah 40 000! j/k

This thread just got way more awesome. Got to go find £5.50, suckers.

Someone put me out of my misery.... When was this!?

I need to satisfy my own curiosity and calculate how much full marine at 95p back then is worth now
Will not be able to sleep otherwise...

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best thread derails I've seen on dakka

 axisofentropy wrote:
best thread derails I've seen on dakka

It was sincerely not my intent to derail. Someone was being mistaken and I offered them illumination.

Re: Inflation - a 10 man squad is £20-30 today. 75p (1987 price) x 10 figures x (inflation rate 2.76) = £20.70 Remembering that VAT (unavoidable tax) is actually higher now @20% than the 15% rate it was in 1987, so just under £22 in current money.

Anyway, looking forward to finding out whatever it is hidden behind the blurry pics in Primaris Lt. News. My guess is a GW/Sanrio tie-in.

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

I do not believe that is correct. The Tau are anime inspired.

The first Space Marines were distinctly Medieval in design, featuring highly segmented foot armour and a Bascinet style helm. I believe, though I forget where I heard it, that the more detailed armour styling on the feet was changed because the Plastic moulding technology of the time was not up to the task. The decision to change the legs to the RTB01 style (first plastic Space Marines) of flared leg armour has informed the design of Space Marines ever since.

Maybe the first few Rogue Trader ones. But Jes Goodwin in particular has been very explicit that anime has been/is the main inspiration for Marines since the late 90s.

Here's what he said about the first plastic Terminators released over 20 years ago.

This recent overhaul of the Terminator design brings it into line with progress made in appearance of the Space Marines in general. The suit is now bigger and takes on the “Anime” proportions bestowed on the rest of the range – longer legs, wider shoulders and a bigger chest. The larger bases and plastic component nature of the hard copies allows for more versatile poses especially in the legs giving the suits more dynamism. The hip shields are inherited from the new Grey Knight designs. Characters in Mark 3c suits are available but no traitor versions have yet appeared.

Tau have big Robots, true (especially since about 2014 with the release of the Riptide. But the visuals aren't nearly as "anime" as those of Space Marines (or Eldar, for that matter) with their wasp waist and literal oversized-anime-eyes-eye-lenses, etc..

if the proportions where anime then I'd argue 40k ahs moved away from anime given the new primaris marines have taken on more realistic proportions

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

I do not believe that is correct. The Tau are anime inspired.

The first Space Marines were distinctly Medieval in design, featuring highly segmented foot armour and a Bascinet style helm. I believe, though I forget where I heard it, that the more detailed armour styling on the feet was changed because the Plastic moulding technology of the time was not up to the task. The decision to change the legs to the RTB01 style (first plastic Space Marines) of flared leg armour has informed the design of Space Marines ever since.

Maybe the first few Rogue Trader ones. But Jes Goodwin in particular has been very explicit that anime has been/is the main inspiration for Marines since the late 90s.

Here's what he said about the first plastic Terminators released over 20 years ago.

This recent overhaul of the Terminator design brings it into line with progress made in appearance of the Space Marines in general. The suit is now bigger and takes on the “Anime” proportions bestowed on the rest of the range – longer legs, wider shoulders and a bigger chest. The larger bases and plastic component nature of the hard copies allows for more versatile poses especially in the legs giving the suits more dynamism. The hip shields are inherited from the new Grey Knight designs. Characters in Mark 3c suits are available but no traitor versions have yet appeared.

Tau have big Robots, true (especially since about 2014 with the release of the Riptide. But the visuals aren't nearly as "anime" as those of Space Marines (or Eldar, for that matter) with their wasp waist and literal oversized-anime-eyes-eye-lenses, etc..

If that's what Jes said I'll take it as gospel. He's talking about proportions of course. Beyond that you'd be hard pressed to compare a Space Marine of any era to anime save for a few regrettably bad mecha type models e.g. Centurions.

Some of those metal SMs are from 1986, so even older than Justyn said. They actually predate Rogue Trader itself.

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 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
best thread derails I've seen on dakka

It was sincerely not my intent to derail. Someone was being mistaken and I offered them illumination.

Re: Inflation - a 10 man squad is £20-30 today. 75p (1987 price) x 10 figures x (inflation rate 2.76) = £20.70 Remembering that VAT (unavoidable tax) is actually higher now @20% than the 15% rate it was in 1987, so just under £22 in current money.

Anyway, looking forward to finding out whatever it is hidden behind the blurry pics in Primaris Lt. News. My guess is a GW/Sanrio tie-in.

Yeah but that is not exactly the correct comparison is it given that they were hand cast metal models being compared to mass produced plastics, the odd remains current metal marine is what about £15 I think so a 500% increase . As such the reality’s a little less rosy than just saying but there in line with inflation, if you wanted to be kinder to GW you can compare the original plastic marine box set to the modern marines adjusting for inflation roughly speaking the original box would be £26.54 compared to either £25 for mini marines or £35 for Primaris so that’s not too bad.
Oh hang on I nearly forgot the original box had 30 Marines so that’s £75.00 for mini’s or £105 for Primaris so 300% & 400% increases which yeah is better than the metal marines but still not great.

Those original marines were great. The first time I saw Primaris Phobos armour, the legs looked to me like a callback to those original marines. I reckon you could get a pretty good approximation by using Phobos armour with Mark VI helmets and standard shoulder armour.

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Space Marines have always been scifi anime inspired.

I do not believe that is correct. The Tau are anime inspired.

The first Space Marines were distinctly Medieval in design, featuring highly segmented foot armour and a Bascinet style helm. I believe, though I forget where I heard it, that the more detailed armour styling on the feet was changed because the Plastic moulding technology of the time was not up to the task. The decision to change the legs to the RTB01 style (first plastic Space Marines) of flared leg armour has informed the design of Space Marines ever since.

Maybe the first few Rogue Trader ones. But Jes Goodwin in particular has been very explicit that anime has been/is the main inspiration for Marines since the late 90s.

Here's what he said about the first plastic Terminators released over 20 years ago.

This recent overhaul of the Terminator design brings it into line with progress made in appearance of the Space Marines in general. The suit is now bigger and takes on the “Anime” proportions bestowed on the rest of the range – longer legs, wider shoulders and a bigger chest. The larger bases and plastic component nature of the hard copies allows for more versatile poses especially in the legs giving the suits more dynamism. The hip shields are inherited from the new Grey Knight designs. Characters in Mark 3c suits are available but no traitor versions have yet appeared.

Tau have big Robots, true (especially since about 2014 with the release of the Riptide. But the visuals aren't nearly as "anime" as those of Space Marines (or Eldar, for that matter) with their wasp waist and literal oversized-anime-eyes-eye-lenses, etc..

If that's what Jes said I'll take it as gospel. He's talking about proportions of course. Beyond that you'd be hard pressed to compare a Space Marine of any era to anime save for a few regrettably bad mecha type models e.g. Centurions.

Google anime mecha from the 60s to the 80s and try not to see a bunch of multi color space marines. Most have large shoulders and flared legs.

Giant robots from Mazinger, Gundam (especially the Zaku) and even Macross. You can see where the space marine has its roots.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Google anime mecha from the 60s to the 80s and try not to see a bunch of multi color space marines. Most have large shoulders and flared legs.

Giant robots from Mazinger, Gundam (especially the Zaku) and even Macross. You can see where the space marine has its roots.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

There's only so many ways to articulate an armoured suit, some similarities are inevitable but coincidental. To say Space Marines are rooted in anime is to ignore what Citadel Miniatures were producing in the mid 80's and what their influences were. 40k is literally the original Warhammer in space with medieval fantasy sensibilities e.g. melee combat. The only futuristic designs Citadel were producing prior to that were based on 2000ad licenses. That's why the Space Marine bikes look like Judge Dredd's Lawmaster motorcycle.

I would love a re sculpt of centurions, I think the idea of them is good and they should be a replacement for deveststors but they need to look less terrible.

Looking forward to a new marine book and I might actually use my crimson fists as crimson fists for once instead of Deathwatch.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
I would love a re sculpt of centurions, I think the idea of them is good and they should be a replacement for deveststors but they need to look less terrible.

Looking forward to a new marine book and I might actually use my crimson fists as crimson fists for once instead of Deathwatch.

don't expect any major changes, just rolling new marine units into the book.

For what it's worth, Crimson fists as Crimson fists are reasonably good since the white dwarf rules came out.

I've thought about using reiver bodies with spare intercessor arms myself, to create a different-looking marine. This has mainly been prompted by the fact that I've got some reiver bodies, which would be useless as actual reivers but potentially useful as something else.

I reckon I might be able to use spare bits from the infiltrator kit when it comes out and make them into more infiltrators. I already used one body to create a standing eliminator, so I didn't have identical crouching ones in my shadowspear set.

BrianDavion wrote:

Rogerio134134 wrote:
I would love a re sculpt of centurions, I think the idea of them is good and they should be a replacement for deveststors but they need to look less terrible.

Looking forward to a new marine book and I might actually use my crimson fists as crimson fists for once instead of Deathwatch.

don't expect any major changes, just rolling new marine units into the book.

If this were the case, the book would have been out with Shadowspear and the CSM release.

I expect a Primaris only book that you can plug into any other Marine book or play it solo.

Yeah, a Primaris codex is what I'd expect too. The range is now large enough to support itself.

I imagine it won't fully supersede the existing marine codex, but that maybe they'll leave the mini marines alone from now on.