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I don't mind the price because the quality is fantastic. Plus, they maintain that quality with a ridiculous release rate.

Currently I have all the models I want for 3 or 4 armies and have no plans to buy any more this year or a anything that isn't a discount in the future. The new space Marine take being $100.00 usd and the cost per bottle of contrast paints is outrageous.
I've been completely uninterested in 40K for almost all of this year and am thinking I'm done with the warhammers.
So I feel more or less immune to the price hikes due to lack of interest.

As an add to my previous answer. I was lookign at my ork collection. I have probably a few thousand in it at least. But I have been collecting it for over a decade. I have been playign games with it a 2-4 hours a week probably 30 weeks out of the year (probably an underestimate but going with it). Even assuming its $3k in orks (possible). at the minimum I am getting 60 hours per year, over 10 years that would be 600 hours. so $5 per hour though as I enjoy painting and modeling/megnetizing and converting models at least double tha tin time spent on those activities. so ~$2.50 per hour in entertainment.

That is an extreme example though as one could just buy 2k worth of points or so and keep playing with that nearly indefinatley.

If you hate painting, do you subtract that time?

 G00fySmiley wrote:
As an add to my previous answer. I was lookign at my ork collection. I have probably a few thousand in it at least. But I have been collecting it for over a decade. I have been playign games with it a 2-4 hours a week probably 30 weeks out of the year (probably an underestimate but going with it). Even assuming its $3k in orks (possible). at the minimum I am getting 60 hours per year, over 10 years that would be 600 hours. so $5 per hour though as I enjoy painting and modeling/megnetizing and converting models at least double tha tin time spent on those activities. so ~$2.50 per hour in entertainment.

That is an extreme example though as one could just buy 2k worth of points or so and keep playing with that nearly indefinatley.

It is the exact same view about the cost of this hobby as mine. In the last four years I have played more than 200 times and spent countless hours on assembling/converting models and building terrain, so my cost per hour of entertainment is less than 1$ despite investing heavily enough in Sector Mechanicus kits to populate dense Necromunda table. No other hobby of mine gets even near that order of magnitude of $ per hour metrics.

Edit: I just calculated that my caffeine intake in the same period have costed me twice the money I have in all my models, including terrain, and I mostly drink at home.

 Jidmah wrote:
If you hate painting, do you subtract that time?

I think you just add in $ getting them commission painted? though in orks I just batch jobbed 120 ork boys. prime/base coat in nato green vallejo primer, black for boots pants etc. gunmetal grey for sluggas, choppas and picking out a few details (not necessary) bone white on teeth, picked out a few gun and choppa details in copper and then dip washed them. prime to tabletop+ quality all in about 3 hours and an easy $240 in the bank

 Peregrine wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
OK.

Honestly give it up sadly most people lurking on these forums are so used to getting reemed by GW that they now enjoy it’s a strange mix of battered wife/Stockholm syndrome mixed with the sunk cost fallacy and a touch of elitism because they happy to drop £1000’s of pounds on mass produced plastic toy soldiers.

GW said it best years ago “ our customers are special and unusual people”

Alternatively, 40k just isn't that expensive if you're an adult with a decent job. I can buy new 40k stuff as fast as I can paint it without having any effect on the budget, and GW cutting their prices in half would have zero impact on my buying habits.

So what's your cutoff point for individual models?
For ex; a GSC Locus is $30 atm, but other character models/singles are similar. Just because you're well funded doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.

ccs wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
OK.

Honestly give it up sadly most people lurking on these forums are so used to getting reemed by GW that they now enjoy it’s a strange mix of battered wife/Stockholm syndrome mixed with the sunk cost fallacy and a touch of elitism because they happy to drop £1000’s of pounds on mass produced plastic toy soldiers.

GW said it best years ago “ our customers are special and unusual people”

Alternatively, 40k just isn't that expensive if you're an adult with a decent job. I can buy new 40k stuff as fast as I can paint it without having any effect on the budget, and GW cutting their prices in half would have zero impact on my buying habits.

So what's your cutoff point for individual models?
For ex; a GSC Locus is $30 atm, but other character models/singles are similar. Just because you're well funded doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.

Let me answer this that way - just yesterday I was presented with a following "price dillema": I have found a (refurbished) rare Wave Serpent Type II upgrade kit on ebay. Asking price was way above the cost of the whole Wave Serpent kit. I really like the way this kit modifies the look of stock Wave Serpent (I personally thinkg that both stock Falcon and Wave Serpent tail end look "cut off" but I really dig Warp Hunter, "Type II" variants and Eldar Superheavies. Looking at the asking price in the void it can be perceived as outrageous. I could kitbash this look onto Wave Serpent recasting and adapting Warp Hunter parts or scratchbuild it with plasticard and green stuff spending few hours of my time "at a fraction of the cost". But this is where "being adult with a decent job" part comes in - it actually costs me MORE to scratchbuild this than purchase it from ebay at "outrageous" prices, because this "outrageous price" is worth just two hours of my work and I'm positive, that I could not do the conversion from scratch in under two hours. Add to that the nature of my job - I can work as much in a month as I want to earn to the limits of my physical ability and duration of the month minus sleep and other necessary life tasks - and economy of time becomes more important than economy of cash. Would I prefer that the ebay asking price was lower? Of course, who wouldn't. Is it acceptable anyway? Yes it is.

Do you want Locus model? Do you have a cheaper alternative way of obtaining it? Can you be content without one in your collection? Does purchasing it deprives you of some other, more important need in your life? Those are the only questions that you have to answer when considering if Locus price is "outrageous" or "acceptable" if you have renewable disposable income.

I have most of the things in my collection I need to play at least at a semi-casual/competitive level. Small increases don't effect me then.

The things I do want to get are centerpiece items, which are stupidly expensive. At which point EBAY has been helpful, or otherwise I have to avoid the urge to buy due to price.

ccs wrote:
So what's your cutoff point for individual models?
For ex; a GSC Locus is $30 atm, but other character models/singles are similar. Just because you're well funded doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.

Shrug? $30, don't care, I'll buy it if I want the model. I'm sure there's a price where I'd have to decline but I don't see GW coming anywhere near that point in the foreseeable future.

 Peregrine wrote:

ccs wrote:
So what's your cutoff point for individual models?
For ex; a GSC Locus is $30 atm, but other character models/singles are similar. Just because you're well funded doesn't mean that you're not being ripped off.

Shrug? $30, don't care, I'll buy it if I want the model. I'm sure there's a price where I'd have to decline but I don't see GW coming anywhere near that point in the foreseeable future.

So what is that point you'd decline at?

I doubt there is a point most who say are price immune to GW wouldn't pay for a model, 50, 100, 200. To not get it isn't an option, I mean it's only money and only if you're frugal do you pace your purchases based on what you consider to be reasonable. As well reasonable is so wildly subjective as to not mean anything as a factor.

Couple that with some also wouldn't freely admit they can't afford a toy they want, that would be a sign of financial weakness.

Me ? I'd say if the characters started pushing 40 or higher, I'm straight out it just isn't worth it anymore as other things can call my money aside from one plastic figure of standard infantry size. Just part of the standard GW cost bloat pushing ever upward and onward.

My GW total is over $500,000 probably closer to 750 now, so yeah price immune. I look at it as I don't have any bigger expenses, I get paid very well so I'll spend the money on a hobby I enjoy instead of letting it sit in the bank

 Rolsheen wrote:
My GW total is over $500,000 probably closer to 750 now

How? Yeah, do what you love and all, but how did you manage to find that much GW stuff to buy and that much space to store/use it?


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ccs wrote:
So what is that point you'd decline at?

As I said already, there is no specific point because wherever that point is it's way beyond any foreseeable price in the real world. I've spent $100 on (granted, OOP and hard to find) character models already and I don't see any chance of GW's in-production kits getting anywhere near that price.

I've spent a lot on GW in the past, my collection is worth something like twice what my car was new. When GW raises prices I buy less... its that simple. At the original prices for Knights I'd have bought 3-4 of the new Chaos Knights but at $150, no. I try not to buy GW piece meal, if I have an idea of a project I see if I can do it for a price I'd be happy with, if I can I'll buy if I can't I won't. GW's price rises, I just end up more and more saying I won't. I'm conscious of inflation and exchange rates and try to look at their prices in adjusted terms. However I'm pretty firm about where I draw the line.

Maybe I know too much for my own good, but as an engineer I used to design injection molds and the assembly lines for consumer products, and I have a firm sense of how disconnected from what their manufacturing costs should be and the price their models have become. I also have a background in business and was involved in the quotation and negotiation of pricing so I also know what pricing practices are most common. That combined with reading their financials its pretty plain that while GW does care about hobbyists, its very much lost in their pricing because of how they've insulated themselves. The prices and margins they sell to retailers are the kind of markup most manufacturers usually only have with direct to customer sales. GW doesn't need to immediately worry about the impact on consumers because they're already profitable when they've sold at that price to retailers... and they don't really care about that retail price beyond that as much. They have their own direct sales and retail, but when you look at it their retail outlets are only a bit self sufficient and it ends up being largely balanced with the greater margin on their direct sales. The complete picture is that they have a margin in mind and any time they would otherwise fall short, they simply raise prices. There really isn't much regard for consumers.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
My GW total is over $500,000 probably closer to 750 now

How? Yeah, do what you love and all, but how did you manage to find that much GW stuff to buy and that much space to store/use it?

I too am fascinated by this figure. It seems well beyond what I could conceive purchasing. Did you buy an entire FLGS?

If he's an Australian it could just be a couple "Start Collecting" boxes.

 Elbows wrote:
If he's an Australian it could just be a couple "Start Collecting" boxes.

That is the sad truth, those costs are pretty lofty there.

AngryAngel80 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
If he's an Australian it could just be a couple "Start Collecting" boxes.

That is the sad truth, those costs are pretty lofty there.

Sadly feels that way sometimes, And i collect anime figures :O its just crazy when GW has some of there miniatures selling for close or over the high quality anime figures on the market.
Unpainted, unbuilt and not even as big. still 50$ more.

Actually I'm originally from the UK been collecting, painting and selling armies for 30yrs. I was on the Forgeworld advance mailing list so used to buy 1 of every new release before general sale. (13 titans so far) I've had 3 armies of 20,000+pts, maybe two dozen armies over 10,000pts. I bought 100 Bloodcrushers once for to re-enact a battle from the Warhammer rulebook.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
My GW total is over $500,000 probably closer to 750 now

How? Yeah, do what you love and all, but how did you manage to find that much GW stuff to buy and that much space to store/use it?

.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Rolsheen wrote:
My GW total is over $500,000 probably closer to 750 now

How? Yeah, do what you love and all, but how did you manage to find that much GW stuff to buy and that much space to store/use it?


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ccs wrote:
So what is that point you'd decline at?

As I said already, there is no specific point because wherever that point is it's way beyond any foreseeable price in the real world. I've spent $100 on (granted, OOP and hard to find) character models already and I don't see any chance of GW's in-production kits getting anywhere near that price.

Maybe its those strange kangaroo bucks.

Though that is still like 350k

brutal but whatever makes you happy. am i right?