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Apparently C3P0 is going to have a combat mode activated in this one so...more action figures to sell?


If The Last Jedi has taught us anything it is to try and imagine a scenario where you close your eyes, hang your head, and let out a sigh of disbelief at the stupidity at what you just saw and that will be why Rey is in, essentially, Darth Maul regalia. If it sounds interesting or reasonable you are on the wrong track.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But why would he lie?

Either:

 Riquende wrote:

Because he has no idea if he's doing it (I expect certain people at Disney won't return his calls now), he really wants to do it, and and by talking publicly about it wants to box Lucasfilm into a corner.

Or, simply, he doesn't know any different.

As to why Disney wouldn't "slap down" RJ if his stuff wasn't full steam ahead - would they though? Most of their "slapping down" has been related to intemperate social media usage that's riled up one of the Culture War factions, I'm not sure they'd really care all that much if a director they planned to dump at some point was gushing over a project that wasn't actually going to happen. They might also be choosing to let the charade continue so as to not be seen as "bowing to toxic fans", instead allowing it to die quietly off-screen. Or heck, they might not even know any different - Kennedy definitely wants him involved, some of her preferred courses of action may be in limbo until Iger sees the results of current projects.

I'm not arguing his trilogy is dead, or that any of those possibilities are facts, but they do remain possible and that's enough that I can remain hopeful unless & until we get actual confirmation that production has begun.

75%+ of a trailer made up of shots from other movies.

The desperation on display here is breathtaking.

It's not a trailer.

The only things in that sneak peak that had me excited were the Y and B-Wings in the Resistance group shot, and the Imperial Class Star Destroyers.

They will probably be used by the FO, but here's hoping its the Imperial Remnant.

I went to see what all of the fuss was about.



I still don't see what all of the fuss is about.



My description of the video: Raging. Dumpster. Fire.

 Yodhrin wrote:

I'm not arguing his trilogy is dead, or that any of those possibilities are facts, but they do remain possible and that's enough that I can remain hopeful unless & until we get actual confirmation that production has begun.

Many movies which are 'in development' never see light of day. It would hardly break Disney's bank if they keep Johnson in payroll writing new stuff and coming up with ideas. If they judge that his story outline has merit, great, lets start shooting, if not, they give him a boot and bin the script, it's a minimal loss.


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 Manchu wrote:
75%+ of a trailer made up of shots from other movies.

The desperation on display here is breathtaking.

"Rise of Skywalker - tribute to better movies."
But yeah it's not a real trailer, just a promo piece shown in an event and fine for what it is. Despite my hate of the prequels, I like that they're not pretending they did not happen. And this raises my hopes that in this movie we get rid of Skywalkers once and for all.

edit. no wait now I got it - EpIX is a clip show!

The mechanism for the double-bladed lightsaber is mind-bogglingly stupid - there's no practical benefit to ever having the blades the same way, and the motion of snapping it down whilst doing something like running is likely to take your own leg off.

Longer handle while still collapsing to a pretty small length. Probably splits in two because that's an obvious thing people would buy in toy form. There's better ways to do both, but makes a cool toy.

 Chillreaper wrote:

So, if they are ISD1s and 2s, there are three possibilities that spring to mind:

1) The bad guys are hard up and have to dig them out. They weren't exactly hard up at the end of Episode 8, though.

2) The good guys are in possession of the remains of the Imperial fleet and this is the cavalry here to save the day. Can't imagine that there were too many ISD1s left by the end of the Galactic Civil War.

That doesn't really look like a combat formation, more like some kind of storage, like Katana fleet?
And if that's a clone of Rey, uh, where have I seen that before?

No wait, Rey...Rei...oh it has been so obvious all the time!

Soooo....

Republic is in ruins, Resistance is destroyed, the First Order is about to take over, then the Imperial Remnant swoops in to the rescue, Palpy's ghost possesses C3PO and takes Rey as an apprentice and together they bring peace and justice to the galaxy?

Well then!

Riquende wrote:The mechanism for the double-bladed lightsaber is mind-bogglingly stupid - there's no practical benefit to ever having the blades the same way, and the motion of snapping it down whilst doing something like running is likely to take your own leg off.

LunarSol wrote:Longer handle while still collapsing to a pretty small length. Probably splits in two because that's an obvious thing people would buy in toy form. There's better ways to do both, but makes a cool toy.

The design comes from clone wars, specifically an episode with this big four-armed jedi who wielded two of them and betrayed his troops. He sold it better by virtue of being able to hold the entire elongated hilt in one massive hand, seeing it scaled up on a human certainly does look awkward.

Perhaps it's an old relic taken that used to belong to someone more anatomically suited to it.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
The design comes from clone wars, specifically an episode with this big four-armed jedi who wielded two of them and betrayed his troops. He sold it better by virtue of being able to hold the entire elongated hilt in one massive hand, seeing it scaled up on a human certainly does look awkward.

I though Pon Krell just had 2 double bladed saber, not hinged ones. But the Jedi temple guard in Rebels certainly does have a hinged double saber

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Could also be Rey infiltrating by impersonation.

Then again, we know the MCU and Lucasfilm like their fibby trailers. Snippets of film subtlety altered or cunningly misrepresented.

Sometimes it’s stuff recut or reshot - Jyn Erso and the TIE Fighter. Other times it’s in the edit, possibly with new voiceover - Tony Stark, Cap and Thor from the trailer for the first Avenger movie.

 Galef wrote:
I though Pon Krell just had 2 double bladed saber, not hinged ones. But the Jedi temple guard in Rebels certainly does have a hinged double saber

Thats what I thought too but some people kept saying 'clone wars clone wars' so I looked it up. The temple guard in Clone Wars didn't have the hinges but Krell's definitely did.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Might I suggest:

C) A clone. The 'successful' result, of which Rey is one of countless rejects.

I've seen this idea floated elsewhere, linked to her vision in TLJ - the mirrored duplicates basically being the in-you-face hint. I like it as a nice way around the parenting issue... her parents can technically be someone important while at the same time being nobody.


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 Chillreaper wrote:

So, if they are ISD1s and 2s, there are three possibilities that spring to mind:

1) The bad guys are hard up and have to dig them out. They weren't exactly hard up at the end of Episode 8, though.

2) The good guys are in possession of the remains of the Imperial fleet and this is the cavalry here to save the day. Can't imagine that there were too many ISD1s left by the end of the Galactic Civil War.

3) Time travel.

The rumour I had seen elsewhere (when they introduced the Sith Troopers) was that the fleet has been waiting there for a long, long time.


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 Riquende wrote:
The mechanism for the double-bladed lightsaber is mind-bogglingly stupid - there's no practical benefit to ever having the blades the same way, and the motion of snapping it down whilst doing something like running is likely to take your own leg off.

Making it easier to store on your belt would be the obvious benefit. While unfolding it before ignition would clearly be the more OH&S-friendly approach, darkside Force users in Star Wars have never really been known for their concern about personal safety... And as with anything Star Wars, 'Looks cool on screen' is always going to trump practicality.

I suspect both fleets May be something of a flashback.

Of course, given the X-Wings are clearly at least T-70, given how the engines behave when the s-foils are locked in attack position.

But at any rate, who do I need to beat up or offer executive relief to in order for current Gen consoles to get a proper X-Wing game successor?

Seriously. Stuff your ground missions. Let me fly an A-Wing at breakneck speed whilst shooting at anything that looks like it move. Hell, I’d even buy a proper flight stick peripheral in order to scratch this itch.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


But at any rate, who do I need to beat up or offer executive relief to in order for current Gen consoles to get a proper X-Wing game successor?

Sorry, consoles?

 insaniak wrote:

 Captain Joystick wrote:
Might I suggest:

C) A clone. The 'successful' result, of which Rey is one of countless rejects.

I've seen this idea floated elsewhere, linked to her vision in TLJ - the mirrored duplicates basically being the in-you-face hint. I like it as a nice way around the parenting issue... her parents can technically be someone important while at the same time being nobody.

Or perhaps Rey IS a successful one who was spirited away and hidden?

I doubt that she'll be revealed to be a mystery box of that level -- it's probably something more straightforward -- but it's interesting for a fan theory.

There's a really cool theory that Rey is either a clone of Padme, begun by either a distraught Anakin or Palpatine as a way to control Anakin that failed to show force potential, and was abandoned. Alternatively, she's a crazy wackadoo force experiment that used Anakin's midichlorians and Padme DNA to pop out a force baby.

It explains luke's lightsabre reacting to her, and the vision in the cave that her parents were nobody- assuming the Force is a literal jerk like a genie- and there is very strong evidence to support that about Force visions in general.

If they do that, then I think it's totally within the realm of possibility that they also harvest more of Heir to the Empire, and the Star Destroyers are the equivalent of the Katana Fleet- a group of drone Star Destroyers mothballed since the fall of the Empire, that the depleted Resistance and First Order must now race to secure control of.

Honestly if it's right, it fixes a tremendous number of problems with TLJ.

Personally I'm not too big a fan of those theories. They'd recycle far too much Zahn elements (though for non-hardcore fans not familiar with them they would come up as innovative and novel).
Also I like the idea of Rey as a nobody. I hate the 'they are all connected' storylines and plot hooks Star Wars degenerated into.

I hope it's just Thrawn and the Imperial Remnant come to rescue the Resistance, in a unique plot flip.

But yes, I reckon it's just a copy of the Katana fleet, hidden away in a nebula and the Resistance is racing to get them first. Which would be a bummer of wasted potential.

I just assumed that the Imp fleet was a flash back to before Jakku, there are some interesting plot hooks in that trailer but TFA had the same and they proved to be the entire content of the film.

Those aren't your average imperial star destroyers, looks like they have a chunky big ventral cannon on them. Perhaps the superweapon we see in the trailer?

I do hope we get to see a massive space battle in this movie similar to Ep III or Rogue 1, B-Wings are cool but I want some capital ship broadsides!

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I hope it's just Thrawn and the Imperial Remnant come to rescue the Resistance, in a unique plot flip.

But yes, I reckon it's just a copy of the Katana fleet, hidden away in a nebula and the Resistance is racing to get them first. Which would be a bummer of wasted potential.

What is the Katana fleet?

I doubt JJ Abrams is doing anything from the old EU or anything. He's not that deep. ..

 Frazzled wrote:

What is the Katana fleet?

Spoilered just to be sure:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
..... it fixes a tremendous number of problems with TLJ.

This is partly why I haven't committed to a particular opinion about TLJ just yet. There are so many ways Rise of Skywalker could change our perception or outright retcon stuff that happened in TLJ that rewatching it after RoS could make it worth the ride. Fingers crossed.

But just like prior to the release of TLJ and TFA before it, my hopes are up for Hayden & Ewan Force Ghosts making a cameo. If this last movie is meant to be the culmination of all 9 saga films, the Force Ghost "council" has to be there.

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I’m wondering if it’s the equivalent of a dry dock.

I mean, scrapping all those ships strikes me as expensive. And the New Republic likely had limited funds to begin with, so mothballing them in a nebula makes a certain amount of sense, at least in the mid to short term.

Could also be Leia’s doing. Noble as Mon Mothma’s deliberate demilitarisation was, stashing a hundred or so Capital Ships no-one will miss all that much isn’t a bad ‘ace in the hole’?

Well, not long now until I can find out, I guess.

 Galef wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
..... it fixes a tremendous number of problems with TLJ.

This is partly why I haven't committed to a particular opinion about TLJ just yet. There are so many ways Rise of Skywalker could change our perception or outright retcon stuff that happened in TLJ that rewatching it after RoS could make it worth the ride. Fingers crossed.
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Similarly, I don't think Empire would be as fondly remembered if not for Jedi's rather saccharine ending complimenting it well. Not that it likely matters for either TLJ or RoS in the internet era of entrenched opinions.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Gitzbitah wrote:
..... it fixes a tremendous number of problems with TLJ.

This is partly why I haven't committed to a particular opinion about TLJ just yet. There are so many ways Rise of Skywalker could change our perception or outright retcon stuff that happened in TLJ that rewatching it after RoS could make it worth the ride. Fingers crossed.
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Similarly, I don't think Empire would be as fondly remembered if not for Jedi's rather saccharine ending complimenting it well. Not that it likely matters for either TLJ or RoS in the internet era of entrenched opinions.

Do you mean Empire Strikes Back? The film has been critically acclaimed as the best of the Star Wars films, bar maybe the groundbreaking original.