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2019/07/31 03:10:33
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
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2019/07/31 03:17:24
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Hardly. The Grey Knight codex is maybe 20~, give or take. Remove the entries that don't matter (nobody is going to miss Crowe or the obviously imbalanced GMDreadknight) and that's pretty easy. Deathwatch only look flooded in entries because of the addition of Primaris units. Otherwise they share a bunch of datasheets themselves from the vehicles.
So, it's another case of you thinking something is gak, so it has to go. Nevermind the fact that people use them.
It's still three codex worth of separate armies you're trying to cram together, simply on the grounds of some weird feeling of superiority.
Crowe has bad fluff and bad rules and shouldn't exist in general. I'm for getting rid of Dreadknight GMs because of the huge imbalance they cause against the entry of the regular Dreadknight.
It isn't some feeling superiority. It's for practicality. Practicality dictates that the Inquisition and the military forces associated with them be in one comprehensive codex.
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
OR they go into a Inquisition codex and we remove the stuff that they don't really need (although being so Elite with not as many options it wouldn't be as big a cleanup. Getting rid of the Corvus entry and making them use the Stormraven would definitely save some room).
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CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/07/31 03:21:22
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
Don’t care. Deathwatch stays, be butthurt.
I would be fine with consolidating Codices SM, BA, SW, DA into one, with the addendum that all other chapters introduced (such as the Blood Ravens of recent conflict) are auto-included into this publication.
I reckon it be easy enough. All shared things have the keyword replace bit. All unique things get “*” or subscript or maybe a little special box telling the reader the faction bespoke options. Unique units get put into a “Chapter Specific” section. Ideally, characters would go here, too.
I’ll note, if I was given control over 40K rules, being able to use named characters in your army would go into some kind of open-play only or “with opponent’s permission” scenario.
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If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
2019/07/31 03:24:34
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Im not butthurt. Theyre just a really dumb faction written by a 12 year old.
Are you sure? I would consider it plausible that some of the best fighting organizations in the Imperium would have some of their best veterans team up with some of the best gear for off-the-books (codex-noncompliant) operations against one of humanity’s big threats.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
2019/07/31 03:31:57
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
No, its not at all. Because marines are already that. But then theres the MOAR MARINES of dw and gk. The dw gear would be standard for all marines. But they need to be more specialer.
Base marines are already stretching suspension of disbelief into knots.
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2019/07/31 03:32:57
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Hardly. The Grey Knight codex is maybe 20~, give or take. Remove the entries that don't matter (nobody is going to miss Crowe or the obviously imbalanced GMDreadknight) and that's pretty easy. Deathwatch only look flooded in entries because of the addition of Primaris units. Otherwise they share a bunch of datasheets themselves from the vehicles.
So, it's another case of you thinking something is gak, so it has to go. Nevermind the fact that people use them.
It's still three codex worth of separate armies you're trying to cram together, simply on the grounds of some weird feeling of superiority.
Crowe has bad fluff and bad rules and shouldn't exist in general. I'm for getting rid of Dreadknight GMs because of the huge imbalance they cause against the entry of the regular Dreadknight.
It isn't some feeling superiority. It's for practicality. Practicality dictates that the Inquisition and the military forces associated with them be in one comprehensive codex.
So he needs his rules fixed. Just because you're smug in your not using him doesn't mean he should be removed. Practicality dictates that armies that have vastly separate rules, should be in separate codexes. So yes, it's you feeling that since you don't use them, they need to go.
Same as it's always been for your contributions to these posts.
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
OR they go into a Inquisition codex and we remove the stuff that they don't really need (although being so Elite with not as many options it wouldn't be as big a cleanup. Getting rid of the Corvus entry and making them use the Stormraven would definitely save some room).
Or we can just keep DW/GK/SoB separate because outside of a piece of fluff, have never been part of each other, or worked together as a general force for oh...all of their existence. Nevermind the fact that they have vastly different units from each other, vastly different rules, and vastly different wargear. This isn't like trying to cram DA/BA together, where at least 1/3 of their books are in common. And while generic primaris do make a chunk of the DW units, they don't exist in the other two armies you want to cram together.
2019/07/31 03:47:50
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Im not butthurt. Theyre just a really dumb faction written by a 12 year old.
Are you sure? I would consider it plausible that some of the best fighting organizations in the Imperium would have some of their best veterans team up with some of the best gear for off-the-books (codex-noncompliant) operations against one of humanity’s big threats.
trolls don't let the facts get in their way. and Martel is a troll. it's the only rational explination for why a guy who hates 40ks lore, hates the game, apparenty;y hasn't bought a mini since 4th edition..
still posts here.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
2019/07/31 03:51:50
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: No, its not at all. Because marines are already that.
They are? Since when are the Ultramarines made up of veterans of the Salamanders and Blood Angels and ad nauseum? Gee, you are entirely wrong.
But then theres the MOAR MARINES of dw and gk. The dw gear would be standard for all marines. But they need to be more specialer.
Two incredibly powerful organizations—one made up of veterans of the best fighting organizations being assigned the best of gear for fighting a monumental threat without the restrictions of the dogma and doctrines that may have held them back before, and the other made up of much more powerful beings with warp control to fight the denizens of the warp. Pure beings that aren’t corrupted to join their enemies, unlike lesser beings and their organizations—provide very unique and special services to the Imperium that others can not. They get the better gear. Only make sense.
Base marines are already stretching suspension of disbelief into knots.
Yes, transhuman super guys that can dodge bullets, eat brains and gain memories, not sleep, etc, stretch it like taffy. Better, more-specialized transhumance just completely are too over the top. Good thing I like taffy, though.
If the truth can destroy it, then it deserves to be destroyed.
2019/07/31 03:52:57
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Lol to all those wanting to cut back on marines. Sorry, meta gamers, but people like fluff and lore too. Asmodai is awesome in fluff and not too shabby in game supporting DW knights, if you can can get him upfield.
As for deathwatch, you want to get rid one of the cooler SM organizations currently available? Say wha?
Don't like, don't play, simples.
If tourny players don't like the bloat, that's up to the TO to introduce limitations, why ruin it for other players?
2019/07/31 04:42:11
Subject: Re:A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Isn't part of the main problem the inconsistencies in how GW writers behave when they are writing these book with such levels of crossover.
You get a intercessor with x list of situational buffs to choose from.
Oh your supper douper marine plus one so you get slightly better buff but no list to choose from ans cost the same points.
Oh your special ops marines well here have an entire page worth of rules that give you a 50% improvement in firepower for which you'll be paying 10% points increase.
Or you get the chapter specific unit options that while being very similar to other non special units stats seem to get either "free rules"
The marine codex's make this inconsistent approach very much more apparent that say trying to spot inconsistencies between codex orks and codex tau.
2019/07/31 06:52:09
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Well, I really don't understand the uproar here.
GW just wanted to point out the difference between the SM codes and the other SM codices like BA, DA, and whatnot.
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wuestenfux wrote: Well, I really don't understand the uproar here.
GW just wanted to point out the difference between the SM codes and the other SM codices like BA, DA, and whatnot.
the phrase "much ado about nothing" comes to mind
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2019/07/31 13:03:43
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Im not butthurt. Theyre just a really dumb faction written by a 12 year old.
...You mean...like...Space Marines?
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wuestenfux wrote: Well, I really don't understand the uproar here.
GW just wanted to point out the difference between the SM codes and the other SM codices like BA, DA, and whatnot.
In the literal text of the rules a "Space Marine" detachment is a detachment from Codex: Space Marines while an "Adeptus Astartes" detachment includes all the other things that are in plain language usually referred to as Space Marines (BA, DA, SW, Deathwatch, GK). I don't know if it's an uproar so much as folks finding the disconnect between rules and usage comical.
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In the literal text of the rules a "Space Marine" detachment is a detachment from Codex: Space Marines while an "Adeptus Astartes" detachment includes all the other things that are in plain language usually referred to as Space Marines (BA, DA, SW, Deathwatch, GK). I don't know if it's an uproar so much as folks finding the disconnect between rules and usage comical.
Got it in one.
2019/07/31 14:13:58
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Martel732 wrote: Im not butthurt. Theyre just a really dumb faction written by a 12 year old.
...You mean...like...Space Marines?
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wuestenfux wrote: Well, I really don't understand the uproar here.
GW just wanted to point out the difference between the SM codes and the other SM codices like BA, DA, and whatnot.
In the literal text of the rules a "Space Marine" detachment is a detachment from Codex: Space Marines while an "Adeptus Astartes" detachment includes all the other things that are in plain language usually referred to as Space Marines (BA, DA, SW, Deathwatch, GK). I don't know if it's an uproar so much as folks finding the disconnect between rules and usage comical.
Space marine are at least a 12.5 year old. But they are pretty dumb, too, to be honest. Especially at the listed chapter sizes.
2019/07/31 14:29:03
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Hardly. The Grey Knight codex is maybe 20~, give or take. Remove the entries that don't matter (nobody is going to miss Crowe or the obviously imbalanced GMDreadknight) and that's pretty easy. Deathwatch only look flooded in entries because of the addition of Primaris units. Otherwise they share a bunch of datasheets themselves from the vehicles.
So, it's another case of you thinking something is gak, so it has to go. Nevermind the fact that people use them.
It's still three codex worth of separate armies you're trying to cram together, simply on the grounds of some weird feeling of superiority.
Crowe has bad fluff and bad rules and shouldn't exist in general. I'm for getting rid of Dreadknight GMs because of the huge imbalance they cause against the entry of the regular Dreadknight.
It isn't some feeling superiority. It's for practicality. Practicality dictates that the Inquisition and the military forces associated with them be in one comprehensive codex.
So he needs his rules fixed. Just because you're smug in your not using him doesn't mean he should be removed. Practicality dictates that armies that have vastly separate rules, should be in separate codexes. So yes, it's you feeling that since you don't use them, they need to go.
Same as it's always been for your contributions to these posts.
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
OR they go into a Inquisition codex and we remove the stuff that they don't really need (although being so Elite with not as many options it wouldn't be as big a cleanup. Getting rid of the Corvus entry and making them use the Stormraven would definitely save some room).
Or we can just keep DW/GK/SoB separate because outside of a piece of fluff, have never been part of each other, or worked together as a general force for oh...all of their existence. Nevermind the fact that they have vastly different units from each other, vastly different rules, and vastly different wargear. This isn't like trying to cram DA/BA together, where at least 1/3 of their books are in common. And while generic primaris do make a chunk of the DW units, they don't exist in the other two armies you want to cram together.
No, Crowe just needs to go. He serves no purpose in existing outside the fluff being atrocious. I'm not smug, I'm just correct. Use the model as a generic Champ and you'll have much better results.
The "model" for the GM Dreadknight doesn't even exist, so that's not a problem in removing the entry. It's far too imbalanced in terms of execution and concept.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/07/31 14:39:04
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Hardly. The Grey Knight codex is maybe 20~, give or take. Remove the entries that don't matter (nobody is going to miss Crowe or the obviously imbalanced GMDreadknight) and that's pretty easy. Deathwatch only look flooded in entries because of the addition of Primaris units. Otherwise they share a bunch of datasheets themselves from the vehicles.
So, it's another case of you thinking something is gak, so it has to go. Nevermind the fact that people use them.
It's still three codex worth of separate armies you're trying to cram together, simply on the grounds of some weird feeling of superiority.
Crowe has bad fluff and bad rules and shouldn't exist in general. I'm for getting rid of Dreadknight GMs because of the huge imbalance they cause against the entry of the regular Dreadknight.
It isn't some feeling superiority. It's for practicality. Practicality dictates that the Inquisition and the military forces associated with them be in one comprehensive codex.
So he needs his rules fixed. Just because you're smug in your not using him doesn't mean he should be removed. Practicality dictates that armies that have vastly separate rules, should be in separate codexes. So yes, it's you feeling that since you don't use them, they need to go.
Same as it's always been for your contributions to these posts.
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
OR they go into a Inquisition codex and we remove the stuff that they don't really need (although being so Elite with not as many options it wouldn't be as big a cleanup. Getting rid of the Corvus entry and making them use the Stormraven would definitely save some room).
Or we can just keep DW/GK/SoB separate because outside of a piece of fluff, have never been part of each other, or worked together as a general force for oh...all of their existence. Nevermind the fact that they have vastly different units from each other, vastly different rules, and vastly different wargear. This isn't like trying to cram DA/BA together, where at least 1/3 of their books are in common. And while generic primaris do make a chunk of the DW units, they don't exist in the other two armies you want to cram together.
No, Crowe just needs to go. He serves no purpose in existing outside the fluff being atrocious. I'm not smug, I'm just correct. Use the model as a generic Champ and you'll have much better results.
The "model" for the GM Dreadknight doesn't even exist, so that's not a problem in removing the entry. It's far too imbalanced in terms of execution and concept.
Sure, let's remove Tigarius from the space marines, he doesn't serve any purpose outisde of fluff. A regular librarian has access to the same powers.
Sorry dude, you're trying to gatekeep. Just because you like something doesn't mean it needs to go.
Rules imbalances can be fixed. Shocking, I know.
So yeah. You're smug. Not correct.
2019/07/31 14:42:31
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Hardly. The Grey Knight codex is maybe 20~, give or take. Remove the entries that don't matter (nobody is going to miss Crowe or the obviously imbalanced GMDreadknight) and that's pretty easy. Deathwatch only look flooded in entries because of the addition of Primaris units. Otherwise they share a bunch of datasheets themselves from the vehicles.
So, it's another case of you thinking something is gak, so it has to go. Nevermind the fact that people use them.
It's still three codex worth of separate armies you're trying to cram together, simply on the grounds of some weird feeling of superiority.
Crowe has bad fluff and bad rules and shouldn't exist in general. I'm for getting rid of Dreadknight GMs because of the huge imbalance they cause against the entry of the regular Dreadknight.
It isn't some feeling superiority. It's for practicality. Practicality dictates that the Inquisition and the military forces associated with them be in one comprehensive codex.
So he needs his rules fixed. Just because you're smug in your not using him doesn't mean he should be removed. Practicality dictates that armies that have vastly separate rules, should be in separate codexes. So yes, it's you feeling that since you don't use them, they need to go.
Same as it's always been for your contributions to these posts.
Martel732 wrote: Or just get rid of DW. Because they are a dumb power fantasy.
Dawn take you.
yup because deathwatch don't have a fairly rich background dating back 20 years or so with multiple apperances in fluff, a RPG and all sorts of other things. nope they're just some dumb power fantasy.
Something can be a stupid power fantasy for 20 years. And have multiple sources indulge it. God forbid someone criticize GWs excessive use of power armor factions.
OR they go into a Inquisition codex and we remove the stuff that they don't really need (although being so Elite with not as many options it wouldn't be as big a cleanup. Getting rid of the Corvus entry and making them use the Stormraven would definitely save some room).
Or we can just keep DW/GK/SoB separate because outside of a piece of fluff, have never been part of each other, or worked together as a general force for oh...all of their existence. Nevermind the fact that they have vastly different units from each other, vastly different rules, and vastly different wargear. This isn't like trying to cram DA/BA together, where at least 1/3 of their books are in common. And while generic primaris do make a chunk of the DW units, they don't exist in the other two armies you want to cram together.
No, Crowe just needs to go. He serves no purpose in existing outside the fluff being atrocious. I'm not smug, I'm just correct. Use the model as a generic Champ and you'll have much better results.
The "model" for the GM Dreadknight doesn't even exist, so that's not a problem in removing the entry. It's far too imbalanced in terms of execution and concept.
Sure, let's remove Tigarius from the space marines, he doesn't serve any purpose outisde of fluff. A regular librarian has access to the same powers.
Sorry dude, you're trying to gatekeep. Just because you like something doesn't mean it needs to go.
Rules imbalances can be fixed. Shocking, I know.
So yeah. You're smug. Not correct.
Tiggy at least costs more than a regular Librarian for what he does.
You do realize they made Crowe LOWER in cost than a regular Champ to make him still not as good as a regular Champ? A special character should NOT be cheaper than a generic option out of principle. Add in the terrible fluff and that adds to an entry and fluff piece that should've been deleted a long time ago.
Unless you can actually come up with a defense for Crowe besides "you're smug because you don't use him", he has no purpose in existing. Go.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/07/31 14:50:11
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
IOW, special characters should always be Mary Sues/Marty Stus - in that they're just as good as anyone else in everything else, only even more betterer at their job?
Perhaps some individual examples of a specific role are better in some areas and worse in others?
Perhaps not everyone has to be exactly as skilled as everyone else in everything?
Perhaps some people like things you don't? Even worse, perhaps that's not a problem?
2019/07/31 15:34:48
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Bharring wrote: IOW, special characters should always be Mary Sues/Marty Stus - in that they're just as good as anyone else in everything else, only even more betterer at their job?
Perhaps some individual examples of a specific role are better in some areas and worse in others?
Perhaps not everyone has to be exactly as skilled as everyone else in everything?
Perhaps some people like things you don't? Even worse, perhaps that's not a problem?
Um, yeah kinda. This is why they're Special Characters and you only get one of each. They do more than the generic at a slightly higher cost for balance reasons. Hypothetically this works with all of them assuming appropriate pricing.
Crowe can't be priced correctly if he's still not taken at a lower cost than the frickin generic version. Add on the atrocious fluff and he really has no reason to exist. Hell, the ONLY reason he was taken in the 5th edition codex was because he made Purifiers troops. That was it.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/07/31 15:40:38
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Sure, let's remove Tigarius from the space marines, he doesn't serve any purpose outisde of fluff.
Yes, please let's do that! He can be replaced by generic 'Chief Librarian' that can be used by all chapters and can of course be used to represent Tigurius well. The same goes for many other special characters. Chronus should be replaced by a generic marine Tank Commander, Telion with a generic Scout HQ etc. Many other Special character could be just be replaced with more relics and more customisability with the generic characters.
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Bharring wrote: IOW, special characters should always be Mary Sues/Marty Stus - in that they're just as good as anyone else in everything else, only even more betterer at their job?
Special characters should be something that are truly unique. Primarchs, Phoenix Lords etc. Everything else can be represented by just adding more customisablity to the generic characters.
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IMHO, it should have been - codex marines, codex imperial agents (DW, GK, Custodes), codex astartes (DA, SW, BA).
But if that was the case GW would have lost 3 codex purchases just from me (marines, DW, Custodes, DA, SW, BA) and based on their most recent numbers those blood suckers aren't leaving any meat on the bone.
It's also frustrating the way ITC decided that by adding more astartes you can no longer compete for best astartes and instead get thrown into the Imperium pool with the big boys playing knights/ig. SW (astartes) +DW (astartes) = imperium and not astartes!?!?!?
2019/07/31 16:34:07
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Sure, let's remove Tigarius from the space marines, he doesn't serve any purpose outisde of fluff.
Yes, please let's do that! He can be replaced by generic 'Chief Librarian' that can be used by all chapters and can of course be used to represent Tigurius well. The same goes for many other special characters. Chronus should be replaced by a generic marine Tank Commander, Telion with a generic Scout HQ etc. Many other Special character could be just be replaced with more relics and more customisability with the generic characters.
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Bharring wrote: IOW, special characters should always be Mary Sues/Marty Stus - in that they're just as good as anyone else in everything else, only even more betterer at their job?
Special characters should be something that are truly unique. Primarchs, Phoenix Lords etc. Everything else can be represented by just adding more customisablity to the generic characters.
Maybe not Tiggy, but I have made mention of removing Chronus and Tellion before. Nobody will miss them and they'd be perfect as generic stand-ins for the purposes you listed.
That said, making the Chief Librarian strat generic to outside Blood Angels is a good suggestion.
I'm also for making Relics bought instead of how they are now. Wanna know why the Castellan is overpowered? Because it gets a super weapon for FREE and it has to be costed as though it's taking it for terms of nerfing it. Then if you don't take Wrath you're buying a bad unit.
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bananathug wrote: IMHO, it should have been - codex marines, codex imperial agents (DW, GK, Custodes), codex astartes (DA, SW, BA).
But if that was the case GW would have lost 3 codex purchases just from me (marines, DW, Custodes, DA, SW, BA) and based on their most recent numbers those blood suckers aren't leaving any meat on the bone.
It's also frustrating the way ITC decided that by adding more astartes you can no longer compete for best astartes and instead get thrown into the Imperium pool with the big boys playing knights/ig. SW (astartes) +DW (astartes) = imperium and not astartes!?!?!?
No, Angels need to be consolidated. They're not so different in organization and deviate even less than say Black Templars or Iron Hands. Seems to work okay for them.
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CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/07/31 16:38:20
Subject: A BA, SW, DA, DW detachment is not a space marine detachment, but BA, SW, DA, DW are space marines
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I'm also for making Relics bought instead of how they are now. Wanna know why the Castellan is overpowered? Because it gets a super weapon for FREE and it has to be costed as though it's taking it for terms of nerfing it. Then if you don't take Wrath you're buying a bad unit.
Yes, absolutely. Relics not costing points was always a terrible idea.
" I'm sorry, but after 7200 's that has to be the most annoying sign-off ever." 
