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I'm not taking any chances myself and ordering as soon as it all goes live.

True that!

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Does the Rynn's World box come with the planes? I definitely want the campaign book and box, but I might also get the starter box if that's the way to get the models at a discount. Having a spare rulebook wouldn't be the worst thing since there's a good chance I'll be providing both sides when I play this game.

Rynn’s world campaign is just a book, not another box.

There's also a box, but looking closer at the smaller print on front I guess it's just be a cardboard game mat/board.

Yeah sorry, I realised that just now. The Rynn’s World box is just a cardboard game board, no planes or anything.

meade2763 wrote:
Could anyone familar with the original please tell me if there is rules for damage in the game ( crippled planes ), or are planes just fully functional or destroyed?. Which doesnt seem very thematic to me.

Thanks

The planes had "wounds", so a Marauder had more than a Lightning. IIRC the Thunderbolt had 2 wounds and a special 6+ save. From what I can tell, planes didn't last long when they started taking hits. There wasn't any "critical" damage like X-Wing, but that might be different in this edition.

We’re promised the unboxing today, so hopefully we’ll get a proper peak at the unit Cards or whatever.

sprue pics

Thanks for the pics red, that's some impressive looking kits. My FLGS is getting in three kits so hopefully there will be an active scene for it round here.

Looks like they’ve literally subbed hexes for inches and the diagrams (any resemblance to actual aerobatic manoeuvre diagrams is probably not coincidental) for the cards and kept the rest of the rules almost identical to first edition AI, based mostly on the fact that the aircraft cards are nearly identical.

What seems to be new are actual status conditions like stalls and tailspins which probably use the new piloting stat to avoid/get out of. Like you probably have to roll over your piloting when manoeuvring to avoid going into a spin, or something. Maybe thy can be triggered by damage too?

The lowered flight ceiling is a bit of a mystery though. Seems completely arbitrary to me. Maybe play testing found too many people with high-ceiling craft ‘hiding’ from lower altitude flyers so they compressed the altitude band…?

Price list posted to the facebook group:

Next weeks preorder items and prices...

Wings of Vengeance Starter set £55.00
Rynn’s World Air War Campaign Book £22.00
Imperial Navy Marauder Destroyers x2 £25.00
Imperial Navy Thunderbolt Fighters x4 £25.00
Imperial Navy Marauder Bombers x2 £25.00
Ork Air Waaagh! Dakkajets x6 £25.00
Ork Air Waaagh! Fighta Bommers x4 £25.00
Aircraft & Aces Imperial Navy Cards £16.00
Aircraft & Aces Ork Air Waaagh! Cards £16.00
Imperial Navy Dice Set £10.00
Ork Flyboyz Dice Set £10.00
Rynn’s World Area of Engagement £26.00
Ground Assets and Objectives £25.00

Looks like it might get a little pricey, but man there is some cool stuff in there!

What do the cards do, is that important?

How does the starter set pricing look to you guys, is it worth getting two starters instead of individual ship packs? Are there any ships you don't have access to if you get the starter?

I'll definitely be after that separate card board, too... time to look at selling some stuff to cover this

Are there any ships you don't have access to if you get the starter?

Yes, Marauder Destroyers come in separately. You only have options for Bombers in the starter.

So Aircraft box is 40US$ based on UK price

So the value of the starter set

2 thunderbolt : 20$

2 Marauder : 40$

3 Dakkajet : 20$

2 bommer : 20$

Some low effort board print, booklet, and stock dice : worthless.

Total value of 100$

So you get 10$ value, mainly because that Marauder is actually very expensive, since they had to make another half sprue for the weapons.

Building an Ork Squadron is much cheaper, having no variant do save the wallet lol, look like Chaos and Eldar might be in the same vein.

Hmm, $10 savings doesn't seem that great since I'll be after the separate board, etc anyway... still might be worth getting a single starter to be able to loan out the paper rulebook, though. Thanks guys!

Chopstick wrote:
So Aircraft box is 40US$ based on UK price

That seems...low.

Is that a real world conversion of a GW Price Band conversion?

Ouch.

Did a quick search and managed to find corresponding prices for everything but the map, couldn't find anything at £26 in the online store.

But right now.. ouch. Will have to drop the extra planes and ground assets for now. Cards and dice will most likely sell out on the day it goes up, so can't let this slip me by.


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 Alpharius wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
So Aircraft box is 40US$ based on UK price

That seems...low.

Is that a real world conversion of a GW Price Band conversion?

Plane packs are the same price as a Chimera tank, so €32,50 in my currency and indeed, $40,- in yours.

 BrookM wrote:
Ouch.

Did a quick search and managed to find corresponding prices for everything but the map, couldn't find anything at £26 in the online store.

But right now.. ouch. Will have to drop the extra planes and ground assets for now. Cards and dice will most likely sell out on the day it goes up, so can't let this slip me by.

All necromunda gang is 26 pound after the price hike, so 42US$

Wow, those Bolts and Ork Fightas are HUGE!

They are not in scale with my old stuff, and that makes me sad as I have a LOT of old AI stuff. I was going to auto-buy but now I will probably skip it and stay with my own self-sculpts.

I am sad, but my pocket book is happy!

Would be fun if they allow Destroyer to haul Skystrike missile.

Based on GW "comparables" (mainly AT, Necromunda and Warcry), here is a correspondance in euros:

Wings of Vengeance Starter set £55.00 > €70
Rynn’s World Air War Campaign Book £22.00 > €29
Imperial Navy Marauder Destroyers x2 £25.00 > €32.5
Imperial Navy Thunderbolt Fighters x4 £25.00 > €32.5
Imperial Navy Marauder Bombers x2 £25.00 > €32.5
Ork Air Waaagh! Dakkajets x6 £25.00 > €32.5
Ork Air Waaagh! Fighta Bommers x4 £25.00 > €32.5
Aircraft & Aces Imperial Navy Cards £16.00 > €21
Aircraft & Aces Ork Air Waaagh! Cards £16.00 > €21
Imperial Navy Dice Set £10.00 > €12
Ork Flyboyz Dice Set £10.00 > €12
Rynn’s World Area of Engagement £26.00 > €33.5
Ground Assets and Objectives £25.00 > €32.5

@BrookM: the AT warlord's weapons sprue is priced at £26

 BrookM wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
So Aircraft box is 40US$ based on UK price

That seems...low.

Is that a real world conversion of a GW Price Band conversion?

Plane packs are the same price as a Chimera tank, so €32,50 in my currency and indeed, $40,- in yours.

 Alpharius wrote:
I think the confusion may be mine based on...what’s the USD price of the starter?

$90,-

Chopstick wrote:
All necromunda gang is 26 pound after the price hike, so 42US$

Cheers, puts it €1,- cheaper than I guessed at.



It's still so expensive..

Eh those prices are in line with comparable x-wing large ship expansions. If it’s JUST the unassembled planes and bases in the expansions, it’ll be bad value. If there’s cards and stuff it’ll be easier to stomach.

Quasistellar wrote:
Eh those prices are in line with comparable x-wing large ship expansions. If it’s JUST the unassembled planes and bases in the expansions, it’ll be bad value. If there’s cards and stuff it’ll be easier to stomach.

Fairly certain it's just the models and dial base, maybe you'll get a printed piece of paper for the aircraft rule. Otherwise they wouldn't be selling the aircraft cards separately.

Price is actually better than I expected for the most part. They could easily sell you 4 thunderbolt at 50USD, or 2 at 35/40 just like they did with AT Imperial Knight, but they held back.

Unboxing article is up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/26/aeronautica-imperialis-whats-in-the-boxgw-homepage-post-2fw-homepage-post-2/

Full-length how to play video confirmed.

That sprue shot is pretty terrible, especially from GW.

The early unboxing and build videos are still the best source for sprue and bit shot

The starter is a pretty reasonable price, and so are the planes, but a lot of the other stuff if pretty steep. 16 pounds for cards probably equates to 25 USD for a pack of cards and roughly 40 USD for a cardboard game board with GW rates.

The Campaign Book seems really reasonable too.

I think my initial purchases are going to be a lot more expensive than anticipated.

Voss wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Compared to last year's Titanicus, this is an excellent launch line up that cannot be faulted.

What do you mean? The only fault I can recall with Titanicus was how quickly it sold out. I doubt this will be any different in that regard, since GW loves the illusion that 'selling out' brings.

This is two factions, a handful of planes and a bunch of bobbins and tchotchkes.

To spare you from the horrors of a lengthy post - it was too limited and expensive. Not expensive for what it was, but just for getting a minimum group together for matched play. £175 - bargain or not - was too much for a starter set that didn't even cover a mandatory maniple for matched play.

Aeronautica, on the other hand has a very affordable starter set, two factions, match-play ready( so it seems )...campaign book, dice. The selection of aircraft is also decent.

 Sabotage! wrote:
The starter is a pretty reasonable price, and so are the planes, but a lot of the other stuff if pretty steep. 16 pounds for cards probably equates to 25 USD for a pack of cards and roughly 40 USD for a cardboard game board with GW rates.

The Campaign Book seems really reasonable too.

I think my initial purchases are going to be a lot more expensive than anticipated.

The game board is likely skippable. I bet we see at least a few neoprene mat makers come out with Grimdark Aerospace themed products if AI sells well.

The paper gameboard in the boxed set is 2.5' x 2.5', right? But the game board 'expansion' is 3x3? I recall hearing / reading that somewhere... But an unboxing video I saw made it sound like some battles might go to 4' wide. That seems odd (which makes me think I'm mis-remembering something...)

I think that makes the gameboard expansion skippable until I can pick up a neoprene mat that's 6'x4' or something that will cover all my bases, so to speak...

Do we know what size the hexes are? There are plenty of hexmaps out there already, or mats that would have a hexgrid easily laid over them if we knew the size.

 infinite_array wrote:
Do we know what size the hexes are? There are plenty of hexmaps out there already, or mats that would have a hexgrid easily laid over them if we knew the size.

Apparently they are 2-inch. Same as Underworlds?