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That's a needlessly complicated solution. Forget the doors in the floor, just lift the nose and tip the passengers out the back.

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 insaniak wrote:
That's a needlessly complicated solution. Forget the doors in the floor, just lift the nose and tip the passengers out the back.


I mean if Primaris are going full Meme Tier, why not just throw away any pretense whatsoever and equip it with an Angry Marine Launcher?

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I've really liked the Primaris infantry but I haven't been liking their vehicles as much. Maybe it's just that I don't like things that are too different and eventually I'll start to like them?

Like many I don't understand all the Heavy Stubbers. Seems like Heavy Bolters would be both more effective and make more sense logistically. Maybe in a few years when they've covered everything Imperial in Heavy Stubbers they won't seem weird.

I don't hate the transport, but I was hoping that they were going to make a version of the Repulsor without the turret as that is the part of the Repulsor that I don't like. The turrent placement on the new transport is kind of odd.

For the recon dread-suit thing I wish they had gone a little bit more towards the Sentinel design to help distinguish it from Dreadnoughts. The Heavy Bolter pistol is a little too anime fore my tastes but I can see why people would like it. I do like the missile pod. This is probably my least favorite Primaris model.

Hopefully I don't sound too down on this release. I'm not enraged by it or anything, it's just not my cup of tea. To each their own.

I do like the White Scars model, and I think the Chapter-specific splat books are probably going to be a good thing. I'm glad Marines are getting more attacks when they charge or are charged. I like the mechanics that work when a unit is both charged or gets charged. Mechanics that only work on the charge reinforce the turn-based nature of the game and makes it feel less immersive to me. Feels bad when your elite melee unit is running towards their melee unit, then stands around taking a breather while the enemy closes the gap and charges your dudes. Having things trigger irregardless of who charged makes things feel more fluid to me.

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Looks like you can also take rockets on top of the new transport. Maybe you can get rid of most of the stubbers on the transport and new walker with different weapon options.
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I think I might know the reason for stubbers up the wazoo.

Weight saving. Doesn't a heavy stubber weigh a lot less than a heavy bolter, so giving it upgraded ammo means it's got the same penetration for a little raw damage, but carry much more ammo.

With the infiltrators needing to work behind enemy lines, more ammo surely isn't a bad thing? Also 12" extra range is nice too I suppose...

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I think some of you guys are selling the stubbers short. They're not just stubbers. They're probably...

Icarus Ironstorm Balewind Macro-Stubber Arrays. (feel free to add a spare descriptor or syllable for each 6" of range or additional shot/trait)

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 Galef wrote:
Regarding BA/DA being supplements, think of it this way:

Take out EVERYTHING in the current Codices that is shared in the main Marine book. I'd suspect what's left wouldn't be more than a half dozen or so pages more than the upcoming supplements, which look to be AT LEAST 50-100 pages each.

You're telling me that BAs DAs and SWs need over 100+ pages just for their unique stuff? There are whole non-Imperial factions that don't need that many pages
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DA and BA had codex supplement to the space marine codex during the 3rd edition : back then they only had specific rules (the deathwing/ravenwing and compagny of the dead), but almost no specific units (I think BA only had the predator baal and maybe the furioso), and a few characters. I.E. : they weren't too different from the normal space marine. This is what is going to happen with those new codex supplement : just some rules and some characters, and fluff, but no or almost no specific unit.

I just checked my DA codex, and counted : I find 51 pages with units datasheet in total, with 17 of those pages of datasheets that are specific to the DA (and I didn't count deathwing tartaros or things like that, that just have a name change). And I'm not counting the rules, the fluff. So if you think DA/BA/SW can have the same treatment as White Scars or Imperial Fist you are deluding yourself.

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 Dr. Mills wrote:
I think I might know the reason for stubbers up the wazoo.

Weight saving. Doesn't a heavy stubber weigh a lot less than a heavy bolter, so giving it upgraded ammo means it's got the same penetration for a little raw damage, but carry much more ammo.

With the infiltrators needing to work behind enemy lines, more ammo surely isn't a bad thing? Also 12" extra range is nice too I suppose...


Heavy stubber = 40k equivalent of a modern heavy mg, not overly stealthy or quiet to fire is my only concern on the design.
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 Dr. Mills wrote:
I think I might know the reason for stubbers up the wazoo.

Weight saving. Doesn't a heavy stubber weigh a lot less than a heavy bolter, so giving it upgraded ammo means it's got the same penetration for a little raw damage, but carry much more ammo.

With the infiltrators needing to work behind enemy lines, more ammo surely isn't a bad thing? Also 12" extra range is nice too I suppose...


Heavy stubber = 40k equivalent of a modern heavy mg, not overly stealthy or quiet to fire is my only concern on the design.

And a heavy bolter or autocannon is? Lascannon might be silent (probably not actually) but they are visible-spectrum lightshows. I believe the idea is that you approach silently from an unexpected direction, unleash hell for five minutes, then fade away, again in the ‘wrong’ direction but a different one than the one you came in on.

That said, three HMGs on a light transport is very SoE so if I ever buy one I’m painting it desert pink.

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OK alot of complaining about getting new stuff and rebalancing which we needed. Here is a rebuttal to some common complaints.

1. The it is not grimdark complaint. No the new sm are not grimdark they are meant to be new, tactical and different from the other grimdark factions like chaos and sisters of battle. The oldest complaint I can remember is chaos is just spikey sm, now they are genetically better and more tactical while chaos is deamonically empowered and grimdark AF.

2. The not-dread: don't like it, don't get it. I'm not.

3. The suppliments are too small for sw, da or Ba. There is no mention of suppliment sizes (the hard cover suppliments look thick in the pictures to me) and as mentioned before by other people "once you take out the universal units there is not much left". So it's possible that even chapters with their own codexes may get a reboot. As a SW player I hope so as we are not a competitive faction atm and would love some new stratagems, sagas, formations, company tactics and primarius characters (also since everyone gets +1 attack blood claws could get +1 strength aswell). Also suppliments may include multiple chapters, we just dont know yet.

4. Primarius are taking over: sadly looks like but on fb when asked if it's happening they replied "old marines are still there with new abilities" idk if that is to primarius as well. But we will see.

5. Bloat for the bloat god: sadly looks like but remember people been screaming for a primarius rhino for ages and primarius only chapters do need more options and much of it is overriding something that already exists so not adding to much.

6. It's meant to be the rise of chaos atm so where is the Traitor guard codex? :( they have already moved back to the start and do loyalist again :(

7. At the start of 8th they said "no more taking multiple books to have a game" now there is campaign suppliments, main book, chapter suppliments, rule book etc. :(
I just hope the digital copy can be bundled into 1 codex including the suppliment.

8. Why stubbers and not heavy bolters: lighter, less recoil and people wanted a cheap transport not a mobile rank and that is what you got. If it was heavy bolsters it would cost more points to be bslsnced. Can't have cake and blow it up too.

Ps there is a leaked image with angels of death rule that includes know no fear, bolter drill and shock assault.




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 Zuri Prime wrote:
Not too excited about the supplements, looks like a needless cash grab.

Not going to lap this one up like some other are, GW is returning to its greedy roots.


The SM codex is already £5 more than normal codexes and with all the new units that would get worse not better with the additional bloat.

Taking out all those UM-specific datasheets that I'm never going to use to make it smaller and cheaper would suit me fine. If at some later point I am tempted into buying the IF splatbook then that will be my choice.

At this point my view is that they will have to make the splatbooks very appealing for me to bother, so I may end up spending less than I would have with a rehash of the old format.
   
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IMHO: a "pistolised heavy bolter" handled by a powerfist is Ork-level of stupidity/sillyness.

A powerfist probably only has two modes: open and close (pick up/crush) and nowhere near the dexterity needed to control a pistol grip, not mentioning the position of the arm making it almost impossible for the pilot to aim using LOS.

Why not have the bolter either underslung or permanently mounted (with targetting systems) on the rig?
This is not "rule of cool" - but LEGO-design.

That said, the new "sound-dampened" (stupid fluff trying to compensate for bad design) dread will however be a cood base for conversions (power loaders, etc.) - and the "pistolised heavy bolter" will look good on the back of an Ogryn.

I feel the Primaris-era is GW trying to wash away some of the grim darkness - making marines more kid friendly (the marines are vat grown instead of kidnapped and brainwashed/growth hormone treated youngsters, etc. - and the dreads no longer crippled veterans).
A bit like the Sigmarines in AOS who never die™ and just respawn...
   
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 kendoka wrote:
IMHO: a "pistolised heavy bolter" handled by a powerfist is Ork-level of stupidity/sillyness.

A powerfist probably only has two modes: open and close (pick up/crush) and nowhere near the dexterity needed to control a pistol grip, not mentioning the position of the arm making it almost impossible for the pilot to aim using LOS.

Why not have the bolter either underslung or permanently mounted (with targetting systems) on the rig?
This is not "rule of cool" - but LEGO-design.

That said, the new "sound-dampened" (stupid fluff trying to compensate for bad design) dread will however be a cood base for conversions (power loaders, etc.) - and the "pistolised heavy bolter" will look good on the back of an Ogryn.

I feel the Primaris-era is GW trying to wash away some of the grim darkness - making marines more kid friendly (the marines are vat grown instead of kidnapped and brainwashed/growth hormone treated youngsters, etc. - and the dreads no longer crippled veterans).
A bit like the Sigmarines in AOS who never die™ and just respawn...


Existing chapters still recruit the same way they used to but just make primaris marines, they're still stolen kids abused and mutilated into soldiers. The first wave of primaris were made from possible traitorous stock, released into a galaxy radically different from what they were expecting.

The redemptor dread had a crippled occupant who knowingly gets put into it, only to be cooked alive with radiation poisoning.

Is that not grim dark enough?
   
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 kendoka wrote:
IMHO: a "pistolised heavy bolter" handled by a powerfist is Ork-level of stupidity/sillyness.

A powerfist probably only has two modes: open and close (pick up/crush) and nowhere near the dexterity needed to control a pistol grip, not mentioning the position of the arm making it almost impossible for the pilot to aim using LOS.

Why not have the bolter either underslung or permanently mounted (with targetting systems) on the rig?
This is not "rule of cool" - but LEGO-design.

That said, the new "sound-dampened" (stupid fluff trying to compensate for bad design) dread will however be a cood base for conversions (power loaders, etc.) - and the "pistolised heavy bolter" will look good on the back of an Ogryn.

I feel the Primaris-era is GW trying to wash away some of the grim darkness - making marines more kid friendly (the marines are vat grown instead of kidnapped and brainwashed/growth hormone treated youngsters, etc. - and the dreads no longer crippled veterans).
A bit like the Sigmarines in AOS who never die™ and just respawn...


Why would a powerfist probably only have 2 modes? I get not liking the model, but deciding how you think a powerfist works and then saying this is silly because of that headcanon is odd to me. And ‘rule of cool’ is very much a personal subjective rule anyway.

Also, there’s already a Primaris dread which is still, as far as I know, a crippled veteran. This isn’t even technically a dread.

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 gainsay wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 gainsay wrote:
 Zuri Prime wrote:
Not too excited about the supplements, looks like a needless cash grab.

Not going to lap this one up like some other are, GW is returning to its greedy roots.


They literally said no more managing tuns of books at the launch of 8th. Now its just as bad as 7th. Idk why players are so loyal to such a terrible game system.


Because:

1) GW continues to make top end models

2) The Lore is one of the richest and deepest of any of the other wargames. Heck you can spend a fortune and spend years reading codex, rule books, battletomes and novels from BL.

3) The artwork inspires peoples imaginations

4) GW is big and popular - big thing this - so you can collect for the two main games and pretty much travel anywhere and if there's a game club that plays miniature wargames they will likely play 40K and AoS (bit weaker on AoS but its growing super fast)


Gotta love convincing yourself you're not getting ripped off.


It’s not really being ripped off. I know the cost of the item, I am aware of the comparative value of money. I earn a good wage so I choose to spend money on these items. Nobody is pulling the wool over my eyes or hacking my account to gain access to my funds, I am making an informed choice as a consumer. If you dislike the status quo so much... why not find a new hobby, one that aggravates you less?

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"The Space Marines are also set to receive a new codex. Not just any codex, mind, but the best codex we’ve ever made, a tome worthy of Roboute Guilliman himself! First of all, the datasheets included in the book will be available to all the First Founding Chapters and their successors, so whichever Space Marine Chapter(s) hold your allegiance, you’ll be able to use the full spectrum of units available to the Adeptus Astartes – even if you’re a Blood Angels, Space Wolves or Dark Angels player!"

Fething Guilliman telling warriors how to fight like soldiers when what the imperium needs are warriors like the sons of Russ. This sounds like space wolves can take tactical marines and scouts as troops. This is not the ways of the warriors of Fenris.
I do like the Shock Assault rule as it benefits us SW well depending on how they deal with the suppliment.


   
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The walker might look a bit better if the sections next to the seat were far thinner. Arms mounted directly on the sides of the cage, even. Just something that looked like the original dreadnought.

The only two aspects of Primaris I hate are their lack of options for characters and their vehicles (the hover transport doesn’t even look that bad in the art, I just think they should be able to ride land raiders).
   
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 Crimson wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

Presumably they, along with the Necron dude, would fall outside of the description of "all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex".

If we take that time period as 8th edition, I think that would mean Dark Eldar, Tau, Harlequins and Tyranids, off the top of my head, with two factions who have had exactly one character model (Necrons and Craftworlds).

Orks were, what, six or seven kits? GSC certainly got a decent release.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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 kendoka wrote:

A powerfist probably only has two modes: open and close (pick up/crush) and nowhere near the dexterity needed to control a pistol grip, not mentioning the position of the arm making it almost impossible for the pilot to aim using LOS.

The powerfist rather obviously is capable of using the 'pistol', since it is equipped with it.

 
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

Presumably they, along with the Necron dude, would fall outside of the description of "all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex".

If we take that time period as 8th edition, I think that would mean Dark Eldar, Tau, Harlequins and Tyranids, off the top of my head, with two factions who have had exactly one character model (Necrons and Craftworlds).

Orks were, what, six or seven kits? GSC certainly got a decent release.


I repeat- IOW "Here you go, be happy with the scraps you've got. Be grateful we gave you anything."

What is it with people taking everything literally? Xenos, by comparison to SMs have gotten feth all this edition. Not literally, as they did get something but it is crumbs compared to the massive proverbial cake SMs got and are still getting.


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 ulfhednir86 wrote:
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3. The suppliments are too small for sw, da or Ba. There is no mention of suppliment sizes (the hard cover suppliments look thick in the pictures to me) and as mentioned before by other people "once you take out the universal units there is not much left". So it's possible that even chapters with their own codexes may get a reboot. As a SW player I hope so as we are not a competitive faction atm and would love some new stratagems, sagas, formations, company tactics and primarius characters (also since everyone gets +1 attack blood claws could get +1 strength aswell). Also suppliments may include multiple chapters, we just dont know yet.

I have already said that a few time but I will reiterate : in the DA book 33 % of the datasheet pages (17 pages out of 51, and yes that's 33%, or a 1/3) are DA specific. I'm pretty sure this is even higher in the SW book. So the idea that there is not much left once you take the universal unit out is totally false.
   
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 Grimtuff wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

Presumably they, along with the Necron dude, would fall outside of the description of "all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex".

If we take that time period as 8th edition, I think that would mean Dark Eldar, Tau, Harlequins and Tyranids, off the top of my head, with two factions who have had exactly one character model (Necrons and Craftworlds).

Orks were, what, six or seven kits? GSC certainly got a decent release.


I repeat- IOW "Here you go, be happy with the scraps you've got. Be grateful we gave you anything."

What is it with people taking everything literally? Xenos, by comparison to SMs have gotten feth all this edition. Not literally, as they did get something but it is crumbs compared to the massive proverbial cake SMs got and are still getting.


Again, 2 waves of primaris releases. 1 wave of chaos marines if you want to be generous and include them, despite it being a refresh of 15+ year old core kits.

Otherwise we have:
Death guard (too diverse to be 'just marines')
Stealer cults
Custodes
Knights
Chaos knights
Orks
Daemons x2

Marines have a large volume of historic kits and needed a large sleuth to replace them, not that others don't. But you're just wrong I'm afraid.

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*shrug* As a recent convert to the BA I'm not that bothered either way. But if GW continue with the separate dex system for them its going to be an increasingly large(and more expensive) book to include all the new Primaris stuff as well as there unique units.
   
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 insaniak wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Anyone else notice the fantastic new dedicated transport for primaris does not actually have doors on the side like just about every other marine transport...

It doesn't appear to have any doors... It has an open tray for a back end.


presumably the back end is the samer as the backend on the repulsor. or something similer.

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The idea is going the right way for me. One codex for all the units (common to all chapters) with the common stratagems , relics ,warlord traits etc and supplements for every chapter with chapter specific relics, strats etc. Its easier to balance and fix point costs for common units all at once

 
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

Presumably they, along with the Necron dude, would fall outside of the description of "all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex".

If we take that time period as 8th edition, I think that would mean Dark Eldar, Tau, Harlequins and Tyranids, off the top of my head, with two factions who have had exactly one character model (Necrons and Craftworlds).

Orks were, what, six or seven kits? GSC certainly got a decent release.


I repeat- IOW "Here you go, be happy with the scraps you've got. Be grateful we gave you anything."

What is it with people taking everything literally? Xenos, by comparison to SMs have gotten feth all this edition. Not literally, as they did get something but it is crumbs compared to the massive proverbial cake SMs got and are still getting.


Again, 2 waves of primaris releases. 1 wave of chaos marines if you want to be generous and include them, despite it being a refresh of 15+ year old core kits.

Otherwise we have:
Death guard (too diverse to be 'just marines')
Stealer cults
Custodes
Knights
Chaos knights
Orks
Daemons x2

Marines have a large volume of historic kits and needed a large sleuth to replace them, not that others don't. But you're just wrong I'm afraid.


Nope. Let's look what was in those releases shall we? Rather than by single blob of release as you'll see those SM kits outnumber the rest of the other Xenos kits combined. GSC I can give you, as that was a big release but everything else has either been nothing, one or two models or barely a blip of thing no player of the army asked for (Orks). Imperium as a whole is getting everything whilst everything else is languishing behind. Where are my auxiliaries for Tau? They have literally loads of client races working for them but we only have two on the tabletop. Where are new Aspect Warriors? Even new temples FFS. If GW can pull SM stuff out of their collective backsides then they should have no problem with other races.


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 Grimtuff wrote:
Spoiler:
Dudeface wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
KurtAngle2 wrote:
I think it's kinda insulting for other Xeno factions. I'm happy that Marines get an updated codex after 2 years (this sets a precedent for other codices updates I think) but the mere release of even new Marine models after only FIVE MONTHS from the last marine release whilst neglecting all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex is braindead at best.

What were the Genestealer Cults, the various Ork Buggies and the plastic Spiritseer then?

Presumably they, along with the Necron dude, would fall outside of the description of "all Xenos factions that have received NOTHING in the last few years apart from their Codex".

If we take that time period as 8th edition, I think that would mean Dark Eldar, Tau, Harlequins and Tyranids, off the top of my head, with two factions who have had exactly one character model (Necrons and Craftworlds).

Orks were, what, six or seven kits? GSC certainly got a decent release.


I repeat- IOW "Here you go, be happy with the scraps you've got. Be grateful we gave you anything."

What is it with people taking everything literally? Xenos, by comparison to SMs have gotten feth all this edition. Not literally, as they did get something but it is crumbs compared to the massive proverbial cake SMs got and are still getting.


Again, 2 waves of primaris releases. 1 wave of chaos marines if you want to be generous and include them, despite it being a refresh of 15+ year old core kits.

Otherwise we have:
Death guard (too diverse to be 'just marines')
Stealer cults
Custodes
Knights
Chaos knights
Orks
Daemons x2

Marines have a large volume of historic kits and needed a large sleuth to replace them, not that others don't. But you're just wrong I'm afraid.


Nope. Let's look what was in those releases shall we? Rather than by single blob of release as you'll see those SM kits outnumber the rest of the other Xenos kits combined. GSC I can give you, as that was a big release but everything else has either been nothing, one or two models or barely a blip of thing no player of the army asked for (Orks). Imperium as a whole is getting everything whilst everything else is languishing behind. Where are my auxiliaries for Tau? They have literally loads of client races working for them but we only have two on the tabletop. Where are new Aspect Warriors? Even new temples FFS. If GW can pull SM stuff out of their collective backsides then they should have no problem with other races.


What auxiliaries would you add to tau that are unique and the army needs? Aspect warriors I agree need a rehash. But you're moving the goal post from marines to imperium to fit your argument.

Marines until recently got (in their main wave):
Captain
Librarian
Chaplain
Apothecary
Redemptor
Repulsor
Inceptors
Intercessors
Hellblasters
Repulsor
Aggressors

Which admittedly is a fairly decent amount for what I'd essentially a brand new army. But it's still comparable to the stealer cults release, death guard release, chaos marine release and orks wasn't far behind (whether people asked for what they made is irrelevant).
   
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The new transport is very interesting. I wonder if it'll have a firing platform on it, as the back looks like there are grab bars where a marine might stand. If so, hellblasters could do great stuff... and also explode because they'd get no rerolls.

Let's hope there isn't a dumb rule like only allowing vanguard marines in there. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Aggressors didn't fit, like how terminators don't fit in a rhino.

The +1 attack on the charge thing is awesome, and not just for imperial marines. It's particularly cool for nurgle guys equipped with flails of corruption, which give you D3 attacks per attack on your profile.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

I wouldn't worry about it being "Vanguard only". Phobos Armor is the stripped down variation and for once it makes sense to have power armor piloting vehicles because of it!
   
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 kendoka wrote:

I feel the Primaris-era is GW trying to wash away some of the grim darkness - making marines more kid friendly (the marines are vat grown instead of kidnapped and brainwashed/growth hormone treated youngsters, etc. - and the dreads no longer crippled veterans).

They literally released a video yesterday showing kids being recruited and turned into Primaris Marines...

   
 
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