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I hope this means i can have very powerful melee / ranged armies.

I want to see what they do and what units are benefited the most. Hopefully theey also give us access to paragon blades of some kind. and remove thunderhammers from the top.

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to view the "first founders can all take this" as being with a major cavet.

They already removed that line.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to view the "first founders can all take this" as being with a major cavet.

They already removed that line.

no suprise there. now I do remember when the last space Marine codex came out they told SW/BA/DA players they can buy it and use the new primaris in it./ I'd expect that to remain the case

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because Space Wolves are a non-Codex Chapter, and therefore should (and do) have a completely unique organisation.

Yeah, because both Index SM and HH books didn't demonstrated already how easy it is to make SW army list by just swapping names, adding a few options, and generally resorting to wolfwolfwolf only in the case of the most special snowflake units. Oh wait, they did, and nothing stops them doing it once again.

And yeah, sooo "unique", no other chapter has companies led by captains-- oh wait Salamanders, Iron Hands, Sons of Medusa, Star Phantoms, and dozens of others also have just as "unique", nonstandard numbers of companies or marines per company yet somehow fit neatly into Codex: SM. Go figure...

I mean, do you earn reward points or something for being disingenuous? That's about the only explanation I can come up with.

Just go away...

So as well as the transport with no doors, I was just looking at the sniper marines and I noticed that they went to the effort of sculpting top rails on the rifles for scopes etc.
However the rifles with scopes all seem to have the scopes not attached to the rail, I know it’s minor but it still bugs me.

SeanDrake wrote:
However the rifles with scopes all seem to have the scopes not attached to the rail, I know it’s minor but it still bugs me.

I noticed that yesterday. They're very cool looking minis, but why have a rail mount if you're going to attach your scope above the... whatever that round thing is. I'd say cylinder, but it has a magazine...

I guess that's the inherent problem with trying to make Marine weapons "TactiCool". You end up with things that don't make sense. I expect that their grenades will have silencers soon enough.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So there's gonna be a Khan on Bike entry?

...I'm less angry than I was before but I still am nevertheless.

I'm pretty sure it will be a regular Khan (i.e. Captain), not Kor'sarro.

Moondrakkan drowned in the Rubicon Primaris. Very sad.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
However the rifles with scopes all seem to have the scopes not attached to the rail, I know it’s minor but it still bugs me.

I noticed that yesterday. They're very cool looking minis, but why have a rail mount if you're going to attach your scope above the... whatever that round thing is. I'd say cylinder, but it has a magazine...

I guess that's the inherent problem with trying to make Marine weapons "TactiCool". You end up with things that don't make sense. I expect that their grenades will have silencers soon enough.

Adjustable scope? where it sometimes rides on the side instead if you wish to use the iron sights? don't know. Who knows with 40k

Though i am interested what the white scars rules will be.

My biggest hope is that people will not be able to us any chapters army and jump around to any faction they want using the same characters from all across the chapters as their own.

Like Carachadons, and unknown foundings being forced to use their own rules or successor rules. Know of some people who abuse the space marine rules to jump chapter to chapter.

 Asherian Command wrote:

My biggest hope is that people will not be able to us any chapters army and jump around to any faction they want using the same characters from all across the chapters as their own.

Like Carachadons, and unknown foundings being forced to use their own rules or successor rules.

But why?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because Space Wolves are a non-Codex Chapter, and therefore should (and do) have a completely unique organisation.

And Black Templars, the example I explicitly used, aren't and shouldn't?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
And Black Templars, the example I explicitly used, aren't and shouldn't?

The problem with BTs is that they have fewer units.

I mean they lose Tac Squads, Scout Squads, Sternguard, Librarians and Dev Squads, and get Crusader Squads, Emp's Champs, and Sword Brethren back as a replacements. They keep Assault Squads, the two flavours of Terminator units, Bikers and I guess you could have Vanguard Sword Brethren. I'm fine with them inventing new things to give 'em a proper Codex, but as it stands they end up losing more than they gain, which makes giving them a whole book harder.

 Crimson wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

My biggest hope is that people will not be able to us any chapters army and jump around to any faction they want using the same characters from all across the chapters as their own.

Like Carachadons, and unknown foundings being forced to use their own rules or successor rules.

But why?

But why what?

You want someone to be able to use the same chapter and somehow have Robute Gulliman, then the Lion, then Calgar all in the same army with the same paint scheme? And just say "Oh yeah its all the same chapter." I've seen it happen not against the rules currently just really unflavorful.

 Asherian Command wrote:

You want someone to be able to use the same chapter and somehow have Robute Gulliman, then the Lion, then Calgar all in the same army with the same paint scheme?

I want people to be free to paint their models whatever way they like and use whichever rules they like. Calgar and Guilliman are both Ultramarines and Lion doesn't exist, so I'm really not sure where this example is going.

And just say "Oh yeah its all the same chapter." I've seen it happen not against the rules currently just really unflavorful.

If you're meaning to talk about mixing special characters from different chapters in one detachment, then that absolutely is against the rules currently and will indubitably remain so.

Indubitably!

Looking forward to what the "Create Your Own" rules look like...

 Alpharius wrote:
Indubitably!

Looking forward to what the "Create Your Own" rules look like...

I'm sure they'll give us at least as many options as primaris get bits to customize their characters in each blister!

So I’m a little confused because I’m blind, can Blood Angels use stuff like the new Shock Assault rule and Litanies from the new marine book, but still use all the unit entries from their own book?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So I’m a little confused because I’m blind, can Blood Angels use stuff like the new Shock Assault rule and Litanies from the new marine book, but still use all the unit entries from their own book?

We don't know. They removed the line about "all first founding" chapters getting access to the book.

They haven't removed it from the initial preview so it's still likely.

Let's hope the create your own character aspects and chapters also are fun and interesting.

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

Though i am interested if they will finally give us a first company vets for primaris.

The new Angel's of death rule is going to affect all adeptus astartes and heretic astartes. Regardless of book. Units, harder to say. I can see the ba da and sw getting the new primaris stuff, but rather some things stay vanilla only like the thunder fire cannon and storm talon. There should be a trade off for getting the various other codex units.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Let's hope the create your own character aspects and chapters also are fun and interesting.

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

Though i am interested if they will finally give us a first company vets for primaris.

not yet, we're getting vanguard marines. we'll likely get veterns the NEXT marine release after this

BrianDavion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Let's hope the create your own character aspects and chapters also are fun and interesting.

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

Though i am interested if they will finally give us a first company vets for primaris.

not yet, we're getting vanguard marines. we'll likely get veterns the NEXT marine release after this

So another codex for 8th edition?

 Asherian Command wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Let's hope the create your own character aspects and chapters also are fun and interesting.

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

Though i am interested if they will finally give us a first company vets for primaris.

not yet, we're getting vanguard marines. we'll likely get veterns the NEXT marine release after this

So another codex for 8th edition?

that depends how long 8th edition lasts, however GW's got a very firm trend dating back a few editions now of putting out campaign books that introduce new units and then releasing a updated codex that collects the material. That said, primaris is essentially a new space marines line, and I expect they'll keep putting them out until they complete the line, the obvious hole after the vanguard release will be a heavy armor gravis focused release likely aimed at elites.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Let's hope the create your own character aspects and chapters also are fun and interesting.

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

Though i am interested if they will finally give us a first company vets for primaris.

not yet, we're getting vanguard marines. we'll likely get veterns the NEXT marine release after this

So another codex for 8th edition?

that depends how long 8th edition lasts, however GW's got a very firm trend dating back a few editions now of putting out campaign books that introduce new units and then releasing a updated codex that collects the material. That said, primaris is essentially a new space marines line, and I expect they'll keep putting them out until they complete the line, the obvious hole after the vanguard release will be a heavy armor gravis focused release likely aimed at elites.

Still could use a bike and non-transport tank option (to replace the Predator) as well.

I have mixed feeling about the new units, mostly not interested in except perhaps the rhino replacement and I'd rather stick with Dreadnoughts instead of the AMP suit. Figures this would come out a couple months after I finally buy the SM codex.

Also, I'm assuming with these new codexes you're supposed to buy the base Space Marine codex + appropriate chapter upgrade? If so, I wonder if they'll go back to give the same treatment to the next round of BA, DA & SW - background, characters & unique units only?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because Space Wolves are a non-Codex Chapter, and therefore should (and do) have a completely unique organisation.

Just like all the many Chapters that do the same.....

 Mr Morden wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because Space Wolves are a non-Codex Chapter, and therefore should (and do) have a completely unique organisation.

Just like all the many Chapters that do the same.....

what other chapters deviate as widely as the space Wolves though? the sueal space Marine chapter has a scout -> devestator -> assault marine -> tac marine progression,

the space wolves have blood claw, grey hunter, long fang. with scouts being something those with the apptitude are moved into.

this differant progression is pretty important. we see black templars likewise have a bit of a differant approuch, but few chapters are as divergant. most tend to be like the blood angels, or dark angels, mostly codex compliant with some oddities.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So I’m a little confused because I’m blind, can Blood Angels use stuff like the new Shock Assault rule and Litanies from the new marine book, but still use all the unit entries from their own book?

We don't know. They removed the line about "all first founding" chapters getting access to the book.

Damn, this hurts...

 Asherian Command wrote:

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

So you want the rules to say how people can paint their models?

 Crimson wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

Plus I hope they get rid of the grey area of someone being able to choose the promigentor chapter rules from established canon chapters. (so people don't switch the rules every time a new rule comes out that is the most 'optimal'.)

So you want the rules to say how people can paint their models?

Tournaments already do that. Some GTs limit factions with established color schemes to their rules. With no official GW ruling, other tournaments don't. It's open to them.