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"Assault Vehicle"

After this model moves in your movement phase, if this model did not advance, any units embarked aboard it can disembark. Units that do so cannot be chose to charge with that turn."

What.
The.
feth.

Then HOW IS IT AN ASSAULT VEHICLE??

God these rules writers GW has working for them are idiots.

It's still very strong.
Other armies can't have a unit disembark after transport movement.
The exception I can think of, is the Valkyrie, but there is a risk of losing some dudes on a

 Ravajaxe wrote:
It's still very strong.
Other armies can't have a unit disembark after transport movement.
The exception I can think of, is the Valkyrie, but there is a risk of losing some dudes on a

Seeing as all those dudes are less than 10 points who cares?


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Assault Vehicle

Does not let you assault out

That is a bit pants.

On the plus side, I got to make a haiku.

Technically a haiku needs to reference nature in some manner. So you got one part right but not the other.

Silver144 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Have they always painted Reivers with a Blue Sheen on the Blade?

Spoiler:

Maybe they finally will get power knife?.. Or monomolecular blade, or indominus pattern vengeance deathbringer (AP1/AP2) blade.

Thats my hope.

Togusa wrote:"Assault Vehicle"

After this model moves in your movement phase, if this model did not advance, any units embarked aboard it can disembark. Units that do so cannot be chose to charge with that turn."

What.
The.
feth.

Then HOW IS IT AN ASSAULT VEHICLE??

God these rules writers GW has working for them are idiots.

Yeah its dumber than Feth, but, it can fit 3 Agressors in it, give them a 4++ and race them forward so they can shoot with the now Ap -1 Bolters.

So thats good, maybe, probably not.

Stupid rule.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Silver144 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Have they always painted Reivers with a Blue Sheen on the Blade?

Spoiler:

Maybe they finally will get power knife?.. Or monomolecular blade, or indominus pattern vengeance deathbringer (AP1/AP2) blade.

Thats my hope.

Togusa wrote:"Assault Vehicle"

After this model moves in your movement phase, if this model did not advance, any units embarked aboard it can disembark. Units that do so cannot be chose to charge with that turn."

What.
The.
feth.

Then HOW IS IT AN ASSAULT VEHICLE??

God these rules writers GW has working for them are idiots.

Yeah its dumber than Feth, but, it can fit 3 Agressors in it, give them a 4++ and race them forward so they can shoot with the now Ap -1 Bolters.

So thats good, maybe, probably not.

Stupid rule.

It still is an assult vehicle.
Just instead of terminators charging into the fray you get a bunch of up-armored panzergrenadiers that storm out and start shooting.




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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
It's still very strong.
Other armies can't have a unit disembark after transport movement.
The exception I can think of, is the Valkyrie, but there is a risk of losing some dudes on a

Seeing as all those dudes are less than 10 points who cares?


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Assault Vehicle

Does not let you assault out

That is a bit pants.

On the plus side, I got to make a haiku.

Technically a haiku needs to reference nature in some manner. So you got one part right but not the other.

Didn't know ogryns are cheaper then 10 pts.
But yeah overall i agree.

So the Assault Vehicle rule is a great rule, just named wrong. It will make Hellblasters a bit nastier.

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Not Online!!! wrote:

It still is an assult vehicle.
Just instead of terminators charging into the fray you get a bunch of up-armored panzergrenadiers that storm out and start shooting.

Fair, we do get a more historical style of assault vehicle.

 Galef wrote:
So the Assault Vehicle rule is a great rule, just named wrong. It will make Hellblasters a bit nastier.

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Not really it Still is named generally correctly just not according to what would be expected in 40k for an assault vehicle.



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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

It still is an assult vehicle.
Just instead of terminators charging into the fray you get a bunch of up-armored panzergrenadiers that storm out and start shooting.

Fair, we do get a more historical style of assault vehicle.

You get a "realistic" Assault Vehicle.
Not a 40k one though.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Silver144 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Have they always painted Reivers with a Blue Sheen on the Blade?

Spoiler:

Maybe they finally will get power knife?.. Or monomolecular blade, or indominus pattern vengeance deathbringer (AP1/AP2) blade.

Thats my hope.

The blue is also on the pistols and half-masks. It's just how they painted metal on these guys.
Its just more visible because they left it to pool on the blade.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Galef wrote:
So the Assault Vehicle rule is a great rule, just named wrong. It will make Hellblasters a bit nastier.

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Not really it Still is named generally correctly just not according to what would be expected in 40k for an assault vehicle.



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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

It still is an assult vehicle.
Just instead of terminators charging into the fray you get a bunch of up-armored panzergrenadiers that storm out and start shooting.

Fair, we do get a more historical style of assault vehicle.

You get a "realistic" Assault Vehicle.
Not a 40k one though.

"Realistic" historic same difference, it can be made to work.

Voss wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Silver144 wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Have they always painted Reivers with a Blue Sheen on the Blade?

Spoiler:

Maybe they finally will get power knife?.. Or monomolecular blade, or indominus pattern vengeance deathbringer (AP1/AP2) blade.

Thats my hope.

The blue is also on the pistols and half-masks. It's just how they painted metal on these guys.
Its just more visible because they left it to pool on the blade.

Ah, thats a shame I was hoping it was one of their "hidden" things.

I mean it would be nice if also found on Land Raider or rhinos aswell but it is a good rule imo.
One certainly necessary, altough i am wondering why even change the patern in the first place.

Huh, Krak Grenades launched from Intercessors are now Str 6, AP-2, D3 damage during the first turn. Not half bad.

GW really amped up the Anti-Tank with this release. I am probably going to replace my Lascannon Devastators with a squad or two of Eliminators with Las Fusils. Straight 3 damage is worth the reduction in strength. Add in the fact that they will be AP-4 for the first turn, nothing to turn my nose at.

I am trying to figure out the best troops to put in the Impulsor. If it can carry Aggressors, that might be it. If not, probably Hellblasters. In either case, I am probably going with the shield dome. 4++ will make them durable enough to get to where they need to be and disgorge their cargo for some prime shooting. I will magnetize them just in case though. That missile launcher seems nice.

The Invictor is pretty nice. A solid Anti-Infantry weapon and some nice mid-strength shooting. Don't really care for the model though.

I am not really feeling the Incursors. Might be able to put them to good use. Definitely giving the Phobos Lieutenant one of their helmets though. I like the Infiltrators for their Helix Adepts (the Army Nurse in me wants a nice representation of myself). I will wait for a better look at both though.

The Phobos Lieutenant has an interesting blend of Incursor Visor(it looks like the Incursors' perk of ignoring modifiers comes from the visor and the Oculus Bolt Carbine working together) and a mask that we haven't seen yet on anything Phobos. It's shown up just on the Lt and a somewhat similar mask is on Intercessors(minus the quad cylinders).



Interestingly enough as well, the Instigator Bolt Carbine is what the Phobos Captain has a Master-Crafted version of.

Another model where the scope isn't attached to the gun's rail. I cannot unsee it...

I guess this Space Marine Scout was a trendsetter with his visor...

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Phobos Lieutenant has an interesting blend of Incursor Visor(it looks like the Incursors' perk of ignoring modifiers comes from the visor and the Oculus Bolt Carbine working together) and a mask that we haven't seen yet on anything Phobos. It's shown up just on the Lt and a somewhat similar mask is on Intercessors(minus the quad cylinders).

Spoiler:

Interestingly enough as well, the Instigator Bolt Carbine is what the Phobos Captain has a Master-Crafted version of.

The Phobos Librarian has the same mask. Just splitting hairs though.

Part of me wants to really see what the stats are for the Pistol and Knife Lieutenant. I might convert my Shadowspear LT into that one if the stats are good.

Everyone knows, Ghaz, that the real trendsetter is Geordi LaForge.

Honestly, I like the concept though. I think this is the first time we've actually seen the whole concept of the "scope isn't really a scope and links wirelessly to something else" actually modeled.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Phobos Lieutenant has an interesting blend of Incursor Visor(it looks like the Incursors' perk of ignoring modifiers comes from the visor and the Oculus Bolt Carbine working together) and a mask that we haven't seen yet on anything Phobos. It's shown up just on the Lt and a somewhat similar mask is on Intercessors(minus the quad cylinders).

Spoiler:

Interestingly enough as well, the Instigator Bolt Carbine is what the Phobos Captain has a Master-Crafted version of.

The Phobos Librarian has the same mask. Just splitting hairs though.

Part of me wants to really see what the stats are for the Pistol and Knife Lieutenant. I might convert my Shadowspear LT into that one if the stats are good.

You're right, and upon closer examination...it's interesting.


The quad cylinders are there, just the 'mask' is the same as the Infiltrators instead of the other Intercessor styled mask.

Well, the Phobos Librarian has single cylinders rather than double cylinders, but the mouthpiece is the same.

I really hope the Infiltrator/Incursor kit comes with plenty of extra heads so I can fix the no helmet issue for several kits. Same with the Eliminators.

At the very least, we know there's Infiltrator vs Incursor heads--and apparently different toppers for the backpacks.

 Kanluwen wrote:
At the very least, we know there's Infiltrator vs Incursor heads--and apparently different toppers for the backpacks.

Yeah, might need to get a box to combine with my Infiltrators to make 10 Infiltrators(with a Helix Adept per squad)and 5 Incursors. Should be a fun unit to try out at least. It'll give me plenty of options.

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

So combined with the Chapter Tactic from yesterday giving +3" Range, does anyone want 11" Ap -1 Flamers?

YES!!!!!!

Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Now do the Doctrines apply to the whole army or the detachment?

If it's just detachment, Shrike leading Vanguard or a Templar HQ going with Vanguard all get AP-1 Chainswords OR Pistols when they dual wield. That's fething WILD to me and makes me actually want to order the stuff I need for my Jump Pack dudes instead of my proxies.

I have been told by people in the know that the entire army has to be pure single faction to get the combat doctrines.

That makes me very happy.

Me too. We need more rules that give bonuses for single faction armies

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they should only effect mono armies. a cohesive army would innately work better with their gene brothers than those of another. I've only fielded mono marine(unless apoc/specific scenario) and cant wait for the new stuff. My Salamanders should be a bit more resilient(like they should be) and a bit more deadly(master artisans they are).

I think chucking either hellblasters or aggressors out of impulsors into/on to cover can be a pretty effective use of them. then the impulsor can either continue up the field(sticking around with the 4++)and intercept/feint another unit while the previously transported unit sweeps out of cover killing whatever needed killing in threat range. Or it can sit back and provide close fire support to provide a defensive kill zone around them while the units do the heavy lifting.

Yeah... nah.. they gone too far... The power creep is stong in this one..

All of this has made all the other factions look pedestrian.

 Argive wrote:
Yeah... nah.. they gone too far... The power creep is stong in this one..

All of this has made all the other factions look pedestrian.

I'm keen to read more about the extensive play-testing you've done with this new codex in order to reach that conclusion.

Very nice models and the create-your-own-chapter feature is obviously uber-cool. But its time GW took a look at the Eldar, a very iconic 40K race along with the Orks.

SamusDrake wrote:
Very nice models and the create-your-own-chapter feature is obviously uber-cool. But its time GW took a look at the Eldar, a very iconic 40K race along with the Orks.

And what? Nerfed them? Eldar have been a top-performing faction for twenty years. They need to look at Necrons and Tyranids long long long before they look at Eldar.

I will guess now that BA/DA/SW will get combat doctrines in some form or another. Maybe they get completely different effects, or in the case of BA maybe they get them in a different order, such as tactical, the assault then Devastators etc.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I will guess now that BA/DA/SW will get combat doctrines in some form or another. Maybe they get completely different effects, or in the case of BA maybe they get them in a different order, such as tactical, the assault then Devastators etc.

That would make a ton of sense, actually. Space Wolves could be Assault, then Tactical, then Devastators (Blood Claw, Grey Hunter, Long Fang).

 xttz wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Yeah... nah.. they gone too far... The power creep is stong in this one..

All of this has made all the other factions look pedestrian.

I'm keen to read more about the extensive play-testing you've done with this new codex in order to reach that conclusion.

Going on the assumption the points will stay roughly similar to what they already are.
I cant think of any other army that gives you this many layers of special rules and options currently. Maybe I'm jumping the gun. We can revisit this conversation in a couple of weeks and see.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Very nice models and the create-your-own-chapter feature is obviously uber-cool. But its time GW took a look at the Eldar, a very iconic 40K race along with the Orks.

And what? Nerfed them? Eldar have been a top-performing faction for twenty years. They need to look at Necrons and Tyranids long long long before they look at Eldar.

My man. But yeah, honestly, Necrons need the most help of all the xenos rules wise. Tyranids have some good stuff, and one two-tone trait (kraken), as well as some good synergies. But Necrons don't seem to have that from what I've experienced fighting them.

I'd honestly like to see most armies move to traits having two effects, one major and one lesser would be fine, or if they work together well. They don't have to be the best, just worth taking in certain builds.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Very nice models and the create-your-own-chapter feature is obviously uber-cool. But its time GW took a look at the Eldar, a very iconic 40K race along with the Orks.

And what? Nerfed them? Eldar have been a top-performing faction for twenty years. They need to look at Necrons and Tyranids long long long before they look at Eldar.

And they have been using the same kits for 20 years is the point he's trying to make im sure.