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Considering I can't see any of the new units on the NZ pre-order and just the books, dice etc, I assume they are coming later then alas? Or could the NZ site just not be fully updated?

I was just looking at them. They're there.

 Alpharius wrote:
What the hell is a “FUD”?

(Other than a Rule #1 violation, of course.)

Dunno Alpha, but Irbis can't help but try and correct people whenever he makes a post, which makes it amusing how often he's wrong.

I mean, given that this week alone they are re-releasing the Rhino, Razorback and Predator - all things that were "already on sale" - makes me wonder if the "logic and actual arguments" he talks about are things he actually understands, or words he heard once and is just repeating because he thinks they sounded smart. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 Tiberius501 wrote:

I think it’s a good change.

It is an amazing change!

Also, I could be wrong, but the wording seems to have changed for hit rolls. Says you can re-roll hit rolls in general, rather than just failed hit rolls, like Abaddon. So can re-roll the hit rolls that would be modified into a miss.

Indeed.

GenRifDrake wrote:
Considering I can't see any of the new units on the NZ pre-order and just the books, dice etc, I assume they are coming later then alas? Or could the NZ site just not be fully updated?

We knew Sunday that this is what was going on pre-order this weekend.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/04/pre-order-preview-the-adeptus-astartes/

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I was just looking at them. They're there.

 Alpharius wrote:
What the hell is a “FUD”?

(Other than a Rule #1 violation, of course.)

Dunno Alpha, but Irbis can't help but try and correct people whenever he makes a post, which makes it amusing how often he's wrong.

Stands for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

No idea how one could use that term in reference to a tabletop game, but whatever.

I am so on board for the pistol+slung rifle look. Also the Las-Fusils and Instigator Bolt Carbine are just perfection.

The Eliminators are very sexy models. Shame about the 3 whole poses, and the fact that they'll no doubt be astronomically priced for 3 whole minis, but they still look ace.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Spoiler:

I am so on board for the pistol+slung rifle look. Also the Las-Fusils and Instigator Bolt Carbine are just perfection.

Same. I saw that and immediately decided I will be building one of my Eliminators with a pistol. Hopefully I can do a slung Las Fusil though.

LOL... The new, long awaited Primaris transport is a pathetic hover-flatbed truck.

Nu-Marines is terrible.

So the arm weapon on the new walker is an autocannon... I liked the old look.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
So the arm weapon on the new walker is an autocannon... I liked the old look.

Correction.

Twin Ironhail Autocannon. Something something Cawl's brilliance.

Better than a stubber!

 Alpharius wrote:
Better than a stubber!

We all hate on that thing but I like the profile to be honest.

I like stubbers when they’re appropriate. Do not on marines.

All marines should have bolters, so absurd even a single stubber exists .

 Kirasu wrote:
All marines should have bolters, so absurd even a single stubber exists .

Naw it's fine

 Kirasu wrote:
All marines should have bolters, so absurd even a single stubber exists .

Cool, where did the Marines with stubbers show up?

Cause they're all on vehicles. Get over it.

Salty!

More holy bolters, less stubby stubbers!

Cawl's workshop was obviously in a corner of the stubber factory. Whenever he had a prototype that had some free space, he just went to the production line and snagged a few stubbers to use...

it's probably because Stubbers look cool on the tops of tanks.

 Crazyterran wrote:
it's probably because Stubbers look cool on the tops of tanks.

Not really marine tanks. Maybe it’s because I’m used to the amazing absurdity of a pintle mounted heavy bolter. I suppose that if Knights Make use of stubbers vehicles might as well.

Personally, a pintle SB looks much better than pintle stubber, unless Guard tanks.

take it with a tad of salt

 aracersss wrote:
take it with a tad of salt

Spoiler:

We've already seen Guilliman's datasheet HERE, so that part seems to match.

GenRifDrake wrote:
Considering I can't see any of the new units on the NZ pre-order and just the books, dice etc, I assume they are coming later then alas? Or could the NZ site just not be fully updated?

Nope, just books, cards, dice (and a couple other gubbins) and special characters (and the non-special LT) this week... as announced in last Sundays standard pre-order article.

DS Turn 1 Pods... I... I don't know how to feel about that as a GSC player.

It'll make them more attractive to use depending on how expensive they are. Of course, this is considering if they're able to DS anywhere else on the board aside from the deployment zone.

if drop pods are buffed I hope Primaris can use em.

Also apparently vehicles get doctrines after all, at least according to the ultramarines preview. Hasn't seen anyone discussing that beforehand.

 Carnikang wrote:
DS Turn 1 Pods... I... I don't know how to feel about that as a GSC player.

It'll make them more attractive to use depending on how expensive they are. Of course, this is considering if they're able to DS anywhere else on the board aside from the deployment zone.

Dont do too much hand wringing. Drop pods at current price and current rules are the defacto worst vehicle in the game. At a minimum they needed their DECADE spanning rule back.

Yeah, if drop pods stay limited to infantry units other than primaris/terminator/centurion/jump-pack units, then I wouldn't mind seeing how it plays out, since those exceptions seem to be the biggest infantry threats for this update.