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 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Can anyone clarify:

The new Marine book out this Saturday still includes OldMarines and all their viable units?
If one plays say UMs and Scars you need - the base book, the UM supplement and the Scars supplement?
The next 3 supplement books are Wolves, DAs and BAs?

The new codex has all the old models in it, while the supplements have extra rules, relics, strats etc, specific to the respective chapter, along with any named characters and/or special units that chapter has.
They teased 6 supplements so I expect (and they’ve all but confirmed) it’ll be the 6 first founding chapters from the book getting the supplements. Unfortunately the DA, SW and the glorious Blood Angels probably won’t see an update for a while.

I expect their FAQ'll give them shock assault and access to the new Primaris. and maybe adjust the points of a handful of units.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wonder how easy it will be to kitbash an Instigator Bolt Carbine. I am thinking of giving my Bolt Sniper Rifle squad of Eliminators one on the Sergeant. I am definitely thinking of doing two squads of Las Fusils as well with the Instigator Bolt Carbine since it allows them to do the Overwatch shenanigans. Since my BSR squad isn't ever going to have the Sergeant shoot, the Instigator Bolt Carbine is probably the way to go for him too.

It's on the Phobos Captain.

Should be nice and easy to do.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Can anyone clarify:

The new Marine book out this Saturday still includes OldMarines and all their viable units?
If one plays say UMs and Scars you need - the base book, the UM supplement and the Scars supplement?
The next 3 supplement books are Wolves, DAs and BAs?

The new codex has all the old models in it, while the supplements have extra rules, relics, strats etc, specific to the respective chapter, along with any named characters and/or special units that chapter has.
They teased 6 supplements so I expect (and they’ve all but confirmed) it’ll be the 6 first founding chapters from the book getting the supplements. Unfortunately the DA, SW and the glorious Blood Angels probably won’t see an update for a while.

Well WD is suggesting something related to dark angels next month. Of course could be just fluff article or painting tutorial or something.

In any case DA/BA/Wolves gets the new angels of death and bunch of new units including impulsor etc as free PDF download.

tneva82 wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Can anyone clarify:

The new Marine book out this Saturday still includes OldMarines and all their viable units?
If one plays say UMs and Scars you need - the base book, the UM supplement and the Scars supplement?
The next 3 supplement books are Wolves, DAs and BAs?

The new codex has all the old models in it, while the supplements have extra rules, relics, strats etc, specific to the respective chapter, along with any named characters and/or special units that chapter has.
They teased 6 supplements so I expect (and they’ve all but confirmed) it’ll be the 6 first founding chapters from the book getting the supplements. Unfortunately the DA, SW and the glorious Blood Angels probably won’t see an update for a while.

Well WD is suggesting something related to dark angels next month. Of course could be just fluff article or painting tutorial or something.

In any case DA/BA/Wolves gets the new angels of death and bunch of new units including impulsor etc as free PDF download.

Yeah totally, that stuff will be ace for the time being. Just looking forward to a full codex update. Would be cool to get something along the lines of Doctrines but related to the chapter, like 3 stages of the Red Thirst.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wonder how easy it will be to kitbash an Instigator Bolt Carbine. I am thinking of giving my Bolt Sniper Rifle squad of Eliminators one on the Sergeant. I am definitely thinking of doing two squads of Las Fusils as well with the Instigator Bolt Carbine since it allows them to do the Overwatch shenanigans. Since my BSR squad isn't ever going to have the Sergeant shoot, the Instigator Bolt Carbine is probably the way to go for him too.

It's on the Phobos Captain.

Should be nice and easy to do.

Yeah, but I only have one of him. Since it is basically the same as a Stalker Boltgun, I will just use one of those. Or just leave him with a Bolt Sniper Rifle and call it good.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
When asking questions like this, start by asking yourself "Do GW currently sell any miniatures that I could use to represent such a thing, or are any new miniature releases planned for this specific unit?".

If the answer is no, then no, you won't be able to do that.

Cool, where I can buy ogryn bodyguard box? Or GK grand master in a walker? SM squatmarine lieutenant? Primaris sarge kit with any actual melee weapons? Etc, etc...

There's a difference between "could" and "explicit kit". And in the case of Primaris Sgt, it requires some plastic surgery or acceptance that WYSIWYG is not a thing.

But on that note, where can you buy basic Intercessors that are any chapter except Ultramarines?

The GW store (UK) shows just the "Ultramarines" box and the Deathwatch.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Don't forget nothing in the Indexes get Shock Assault or Angels of Death.

I wish GW would just make Indexes Narrative Play only and be done with it.

You use Datasheet = Codex, Index = Wargear. So you get your ability.
If you using one that doesn't exist you can get your rules RAI/HIWPI.

The hate Index gets is weird, their official rules as of yet no word has come from GW to the effect of "you can no longer use Index"

ThatMG wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Don't forget nothing in the Indexes get Shock Assault or Angels of Death.

I wish GW would just make Indexes Narrative Play only and be done with it.

You use Datasheet = Codex, Index = Wargear. So you get your ability.
If you using one that doesn't exist you can get your rules RAI/HIWPI.

The hate Index gets is weird, their official rules as of yet no word has come from GW to the effect of "you can no longer use Index"

I’m not sure it is RAI though – or at least won’t be in the near future.

I use index options a fair amount (Banshee Mask Autarchs are models I love converting up etc) but, I do feel like there needs to be a cut off point now, and the sooner the better.

Hey does anyone have the price USD$ for the new Dreadnought ?

Apparently, $60 USD.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently, $60 USD.

Seems a bit , steep?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Don't forget nothing in the Indexes get Shock Assault or Angels of Death.

I wish GW would just make Indexes Narrative Play only and be done with it.

Are we certain about that?

Seems likely if they don't issue an errata that is effectively "copy paste this to the front of your index and it applies to all space marines in the index that aren't already taken care of by the codex." They'll probably do it around the same time they issue "copy paste this to all the flavors of astartes." It'll probably be annoying at any tournaments in the 1-3 months it takes to hotfix that.

Anyone else notice that White Scars have their own tab on the GW store now? The regular space marines tab still has all the salamander, black templar etc characters, but the white scars got all moved to a unique group. Its a longshot, but it makes me hopeful they'll bring back Doomrider as someone for the White Scars to hunt/kill.

Anyone know the USD$ for the Impulsor yet? I'm waiting to see if it's affordable to get 2 or if I'm gonna need to convert them out of Razorbacks.

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 Galef wrote:
Anyone know the USD$ for the Impulsor yet? I'm waiting to see if it's affordable to get 2 or if I'm gonna need to convert them out of Razorbacks.

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It's not up for preorder this weekend, so it'll be a bit to know.

ThatMG wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Don't forget nothing in the Indexes get Shock Assault or Angels of Death.

I wish GW would just make Indexes Narrative Play only and be done with it.

You use Datasheet = Codex, Index = Wargear. So you get your ability.
If you using one that doesn't exist you can get your rules RAI/HIWPI.

The hate Index gets is weird, their official rules as of yet no word has come from GW to the effect of "you can no longer use Index"

This is something I was wondering about. I have a venerable dreadnought with autocannons. I was thinking it would still get all of the new rules since the unit's datasheet is in the new codex even though the weapon options are from the index. My friend has a chaplain on bike which does not have a datasheet in the new codex, so if he took that as an index entry he would lose doctrines.

 Galef wrote:
Anyone know the USD$ for the Impulsor yet? I'm waiting to see if it's affordable to get 2 or if I'm gonna need to convert them out of Razorbacks.

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It's GW, it's not gonna be affordable. I would guess 60USD conservatively.

ERJAK wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Anyone know the USD$ for the Impulsor yet? I'm waiting to see if it's affordable to get 2 or if I'm gonna need to convert them out of Razorbacks.

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It's GW, it's not gonna be affordable. I would guess 60USD conservatively.

Yeah that's what I'm expecting. My son has UMs and NEEDS 2 Impulsors for his 10 Hellblasters (otherwise they just die). He buys his own models with his allowance, so $120 is completely out of his range. $40-50 per model, however, is something he can at least pay most of, and I'll help him with the rest. As I can get Razorbacks for $40 new on eBay, I may be doing some converting for him

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 Galef wrote:
Yeah that's what I'm expecting. My son has UMs and NEEDS 2 Impulsors for his 10 Hellblasters (otherwise they just die). He buys his own models with his allowance, so $120 is completely out of his range. $40-50 per model, however, is something he can at least pay most of, and I'll help him with the rest. As I can get Razorbacks for $40 new on eBay, I may be doing some converting for him
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$60's the high end of what I'd think, but since it's not up for preorder this week it's a bit hard to guess.
I'd say they might drop it at as low as $50 since it's supposed to be the Rhino/Razorback equivalent--with a lotto winning odds chance of as low as $40. It's really going to depend upon how complex the kit and sprues are.


I'd be intrigued to know why not a Repulsor though. It'd be a bit more, but it would carry all 10 and offer anti-infantry right?

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'd be intrigued to know why not a Repulsor though. It'd be a bit more, but it would carry all 10 and offer anti-infantry right?

Its a giant 600+ point SHOOT ME NOW sign with no invuln.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'd be intrigued to know why not a Repulsor though. It'd be a bit more, but it would carry all 10 and offer anti-infantry right?

Its a giant 600+ point SHOOT ME NOW sign with no invuln.

Yeah that's pretty much why it's a no-go. Plus, with 2 Impulors, he can bring all 10 Hellblasters, his Capt and LT all at once. Repulsor also doesn't have the Assault vehicle rule

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Ah, so it's not a 10 man--it's two of 5.

Still not sure how to feel about the Assault Vehicle rule.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Ah, so it's not a 10 man--it's two of 5.

Still not sure how to feel about the Assault Vehicle rule.

Well, up until this release, we always put them in his list as a 10-man unit that would ALWAYS combat squad into 2, but with Impuksors, we may just field 2 units of 5 for the Sgts extra attack.
Personally, I think the Assault Vehicle rule is great. It opens up so many units that need to get close to have optimum efficiency. Since Primaris can't use Drop Pods, having an Assault vehicle services that purpose

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Not Online!!! wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Apparently, $60 USD.

Seems a bit , steep?

It’s 5 dollars cheaper than the Redemptor, so depends how you feel about the price of that I guess. They’re the same size.

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
This is something I was wondering about. I have a venerable dreadnought with autocannons. I was thinking it would still get all of the new rules since the unit's datasheet is in the new codex even though the weapon options are from the index. My friend has a chaplain on bike which does not have a datasheet in the new codex, so if he took that as an index entry he would lose doctrines.

That is correct.

And there's the flamer variant, with its Heavy Bolter out for some extra pewpew.

Invictory will be yours! article.

The flamer looks good. I still do not like how the autocannons look like big stubbers though. There was clearly some disconnect between the designer and the rule writer.

Is that article the first confirmation of Space Wolves' Chapter Tactics?

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Is that article the first confirmation of Space Wolves' Chapter Tactics?

Its the Chapter Tactic they have had since their codex came out.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Mud Turkey 13 wrote:
Is that article the first confirmation of Space Wolves' Chapter Tactics?

Its the Chapter Tactic they have had since their codex came out.

OK. I have never faced them, so I didn't know what theirs was. Thanks!

 Crimson wrote:
The flamer looks good. I still do not like how the autocannons look like big stubbers though. There was clearly some disconnect between the designer and the rule writer.

Honestly, I thought so too at first--but after looking at the Icarus Array's Autocannons for the Onager, it looks like they're trying to redesign autocannons in general--differentiating 'versions' of them.

I think it's just an artifact of it being an "Ironhail" weapon.