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BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

Its the same for every chapter except MAYBE for custom ones with unknown foundings.

BrianDavion wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Can Space Marines still do that Assassins thing without losing Doctrines?

I've seen interpreations both ways, this is gonna be a FAQ question I'm guessing

I could see the assassins getting another errata. And probably a reprint in the next chapter approved.

Also, it would be nice if the primaris ultramarine sprue got repackaged to 2 in a clam like the white scars one is. The um sprue was always punished on price, since for a while the ba and da ones were added to boxes for free.

 AduroT wrote:
Can Space Marines still do that Assassins thing without losing Doctrines?

I don’t think so.

The Assassin Strat says you add the Assassin to your army. From that moment forward, your army would include a model without Angels of Death.

on another note the codex makes it sound, at least to me, clear that Primaris do spend time as a scout. good to know for those of us working on a all Primaris force. also it sounds like the Primaris have no special vetern units. I'm sure that'll sudden;y be retconned but... it's good to know thats ther case presently

 BaconCatBug wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

That's exciting. I might have to start stockpiling BT upgrade kits. Anyone know how well some of the bits for on Primaris? Lol.

Crimson Fists and Black Templars are going to be part of the Imperial Fists supplement.

No they are not they are getting there own book this was confirmed on the podcast. Every "enhanced chapter tactic is getting its own book.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Can Space Marines still do that Assassins thing without losing Doctrines?

I don’t think so.

The Assassin Strat says you add the Assassin to your army. From that moment forward, your army would include a model without Angels of Death.

Raw if you use the Assassin stratagem you still get all marine rules because the whole book is "during army creation" the strat is during deployment this does not effect your rules at all.

Do you have a link to the podcast.
Is it a good listen in general?

ThatMG wrote:
No they are not they are getting there own book this was confirmed on the podcast. Every "enhanced chapter tactic is getting its own book.

Frankly, I'll believe it when the books are previewed on WHC (or mentioned in a seminar).

Random ITC people on a podcast are not a trustworthy source.

 Dysartes wrote:

ThatMG wrote:
No they are not they are getting there own book this was confirmed on the podcast. Every "enhanced chapter tactic is getting its own book.

Frankly, I'll believe it when the books are previewed on WHC (or mentioned in a seminar).

Random ITC people on a podcast are not a trustworthy source.

I tend to agree, it could just be a random "every chapter with a chapter tactic gets a book" statement thats being misinterpreted

ThatMG wrote:


Raw if you use the Assassin stratagem you still get all marine rules because the whole book is "during army creation" the strat is during deployment this does not effect your rules at all.

Yes. And RAW, you'd benefit from Doctrines until you play the strat.

If, hypothetically, you could play the Assassin Stratagem in Battleround 3, you'd have Doctrines up until that moment (battleround 1 and 2), and lose them as soon as you add a model without the Angels of Death special rule.

As the Assassin Stratagem is played during Deployment, it effectively negates Doctrine before they ever become relevant (unless there is some strat to start shooting during deployment before playing the Assassin stratagem).

Rule 1: "... units only benefit from this bonus if every unit in your army has this ability..."
Rule 2: "Add one Officio Assassinorum unit of your choice to your army."

Once Rule 2 has happened, the condition set by Rule 1 no longer applies.

Silly question - what has the UNALIGNED keyword these days?

 Dysartes wrote:
Silly question - what has the UNALIGNED keyword these days?

Terrain, for the most part.

 Dysartes wrote:
Silly question - what has the UNALIGNED keyword these days?

Fortifications.

Also some bits and bobs from blackstone fortress

ThatMG wrote:
No they are not they are getting there own book this was confirmed on the podcast. Every "enhanced chapter tactic is getting its own book.

And that's why both WC, official 40K youtube channel, and GW promos proper shown 6 supplement books with redacted names?

Please, I'd maybe believe this if the pictures shown 8 books, but seeing IF and CF have next to zero unique material throwing BT in to pad the book a bit is not only the most logical solution, it cuts on waiting time for the players of all 3 and reduces the amount of shipping and warehouse problems (as well as what players need to spend on the rules). It would be really puzzling if GW did otherwise.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

Its the same for every chapter except MAYBE for custom ones with unknown foundings.

No. No chapter "need" to buy their supplement like DA/SW/BA : there's already all the rules to play the chapters that get supplements in the core book - chapter tactics, relics, librarian discipline, etc. The supplement just adds things, it is not a necessity to play the chapter.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

Its the same for every chapter except MAYBE for custom ones with unknown foundings.

No. No chapter "need" to buy their supplement like DA/SW/BA : there's already all the rules to play the chapters that get supplements in the core book - chapter tactics, relics, librarian discipline, etc. The supplement just adds things, it is not a necessity to play the chapter.

Yep this, I agree.

WhiteDog wrote:

No. No chapter "need" to buy their supplement like DA/SW/BA : there's already all the rules to play the chapters that get supplements in the core book - chapter tactics, relics, librarian discipline, etc. The supplement just adds things, it is not a necessity to play the chapter.

Only in theory. It would be like playing with an index army against a codex army in the beginning of this edition. Supplement just gives you free extra stuff, the super detachment benefits in particularly are really strong. There is really no reason to not use a supplement.

WhiteDog wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

Its the same for every chapter except MAYBE for custom ones with unknown foundings.

No. No chapter "need" to buy their supplement like DA/SW/BA : there's already all the rules to play the chapters that get supplements in the core book - chapter tactics, relics, librarian discipline, etc. The supplement just adds things, it is not a necessity to play the chapter.

Basically 0 people are going to do that. Unless you're just a contrarian that wants to prove something. Also you don't need a book to play with the rules, the fact that the rules exist make them eligible to be used.

FYI, the guy who told me the right point price for the repulsor executioner and its profil and the impulsor's price told me the BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a vigilus campaign kind of supplement.
We'll see

 Kirasu wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

Its the same for every chapter except MAYBE for custom ones with unknown foundings.

No. No chapter "need" to buy their supplement like DA/SW/BA : there's already all the rules to play the chapters that get supplements in the core book - chapter tactics, relics, librarian discipline, etc. The supplement just adds things, it is not a necessity to play the chapter.

Basically 0 people are going to do that. Unless you're just a contrarian that wants to prove something. Also you don't need a book to play with the rules, the fact that the rules exist make them eligible to be used.

Well, a ravenguard player, an IH player, can play with the current SM codex even if their supplements are not out, that's how it is. A DA/SW/BA cannot because they have no chapter tactics in those codex, that's just a fact.

 godardc wrote:
FYI, the guy who told me the right point price for the repulsor executioner and its profil and the impulsor's price told me the BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a vigilus campaign kind of supplement.
We'll see

That would be kinda awkward.

heck, all of the chapters in C:SM would be in a much better place, even without their new splat books. You still have a specific Chapter Trait and Warlord Trait in the codex so is completely playable now, minus the special characters/units.
If BA/DA/SW also had this in the book, and access to all the options, then they would be getting a supplement. They are not however, so will be getting a full codex or nothing.

Blame GW for this hole they have dug, having to put all of those datasheets in the appropriate codex repetitively now. Perhaps they should have been smarter with execution, but it is what it is.

Quick question, is the new codex the same as the last one when it comes to art and fluff or less?

 godardc wrote:
FYI, the guy who told me the right point price for the repulsor executioner and its profil and the impulsor's price told me the BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a vigilus campaign kind of supplement.
We'll see

See I would have loved these types of Supplements to have been Campaign supplements with a couple of different factions.....

Next week's releases for marines according to WHC are:

*Drumroll*

Nothing. Aaarg!

yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

 godardc wrote:
FYI, the guy who told me the right point price for the repulsor executioner and its profil and the impulsor's price told me the BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a vigilus campaign kind of supplement.
We'll see

OMG, Warzone: Armageddon confirmed!

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

For the non-Chapter specific units they've dropped a codex, and on pre-order we have the Invictor, Primaris Lieutenant and the Primaris Captain and Librarian in Phobos Armour.