Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Ghaz wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

For the non-Chapter specific units they've dropped a codex, and on pre-order we have the Invictor, Primaris Lieutenant and the Primaris Captain and Librarian in Phobos Armour.

Only the Codex and the Invictor are actually new though.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

BrianDavion wrote:


where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

Did anyone complain about the new Abaddon? I don't recall seeing complaints about him on dakka but it's possible I missed some. And if chaos players can't find anything to complain about in a release then I suspect no one can...

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

Did anyone complain about the new Abaddon? I don't recall seeing complaints about him on dakka but it's possible I missed some. And if chaos players can't find anything to complain about in a release then I suspect no one can...

I mean the pricetag is bonkers on him though

No that's it, it's a beautiful model easily kitbashable.

Danny76 wrote:
Do you have a link to the podcast.
Is it a good listen in general?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY892gpuI64

34:05 (statement that includes) the confirmation of 6 books AFTER white scars and Ultramarines...


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

ThatMG wrote:


Raw if you use the Assassin stratagem you still get all marine rules because the whole book is "during army creation" the strat is during deployment this does not effect your rules at all.

Yes. And RAW, you'd benefit from Doctrines until you play the strat.

If, hypothetically, you could play the Assassin Stratagem in Battleround 3, you'd have Doctrines up until that moment (battleround 1 and 2), and lose them as soon as you add a model without the Angels of Death special rule.

As the Assassin Stratagem is played during Deployment, it effectively negates Doctrine before they ever become relevant (unless there is some strat to start shooting during deployment before playing the Assassin stratagem).

Rule 1: "... units only benefit from this bonus if every unit in your army has this ability..."
Rule 2: "Add one Officio Assassinorum unit of your choice to your army."

Once Rule 2 has happened, the condition set by Rule 1 no longer applies.

Spoiler:

No you are wrong because reinforcement points and etc do not effect army rules. The game rules are NOT designed on a conditional passive state,
It's similar to how Chapter Master strat worked with a specilist detachment. You meet the condition for combat doctrines when you make your army.
once this is met, it no longer needs to be maintained. The stratagem for an assassin is past the timing window for the rules to even matter.
it is during deployment and has no bearing on the "army list" you just get a free assassin (or for RF points).
The other way is how Chaos Players rules break if you take daemon units but if you summon them with RF you don't care.
"they are treated as an external element."

Where did they get their info though?
They said things like “probably going to be” and “this isn’t like one book, it’s like 8 books” but I didn’t hear mention of that being definitive, just the way people chat. But do they have insider knowledge for some reason?
(Also, the Codex and 6 supplements makes 7, so it would technically be one more supplement there..)

ThatMG wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Do you have a link to the podcast.
Is it a good listen in general?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY892gpuI64

34:05 (statement that includes) the confirmation of 6 books AFTER white scars and Ultramarines...


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

ThatMG wrote:


Raw if you use the Assassin stratagem you still get all marine rules because the whole book is "during army creation" the strat is during deployment this does not effect your rules at all.

Yes. And RAW, you'd benefit from Doctrines until you play the strat.

If, hypothetically, you could play the Assassin Stratagem in Battleround 3, you'd have Doctrines up until that moment (battleround 1 and 2), and lose them as soon as you add a model without the Angels of Death special rule.

As the Assassin Stratagem is played during Deployment, it effectively negates Doctrine before they ever become relevant (unless there is some strat to start shooting during deployment before playing the Assassin stratagem).

Rule 1: "... units only benefit from this bonus if every unit in your army has this ability..."
Rule 2: "Add one Officio Assassinorum unit of your choice to your army."

Once Rule 2 has happened, the condition set by Rule 1 no longer applies.

Spoiler:

No you are wrong because reinforcement points and etc do not effect army rules. The game rules are NOT designed on a conditional passive state,
It's similar to how Chapter Master strat worked with a specilist detachment. You meet the condition for combat doctrines when you make your army.
once this is met, it no longer needs to be maintained. The stratagem for an assassin is past the timing window for the rules to even matter.
it is during deployment and has no bearing on the "army list" you just get a free assassin (or for RF points).
The other way is how Chaos Players rules break if you take daemon units but if you summon them with RF you don't care.
"they are treated as an external element."

Is the assasin part of your army

operative requisition sanctioned
Use this strategum during deployment.
Add One Offico Assassinorum unit of your choice to your army.

the strategum tells you it's part of your army.

if you have a battleforged army, units only benefit from this bonus if every unit from your army has this ability(excluding SERVITOR and UNALIGNED units).

Do assasins have combat doctrines NO
Are assasins UNALIGNED NO
Are they part of your army YES

So you now have a model that does not have the ability in your army .
Hence No body gets doctrines.

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

True, but in terms of models even GW themselves said were most clamored for, the Impulsor was at the top of the list for SM units (Dedicated Transport), as well as the Eliminators (dedicated anti-tank). They may have even used the word "finally".

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Phobosftw wrote:
yup, we`re looking at at least 2 weeks of waiting for the supplements we know are coming. maybe more.fething bs move by GW.

Or a good move, letting most bank accounts have a week to recover...

Except they have only released one Chapter-neutral model so far. And a divisive one at that. Had they led off with the Impulsor or Eliminators, I would agree here.

where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

True, but in terms of models even GW themselves said were most clamored for, the Impulsor was at the top of the list for SM units (Dedicated Transport), as well as the Eliminators (dedicated anti-tank). They may have even used the word "finally".

I can find posts bashing the impulsor. granted, like most of the primaris range it's the useal primaris are aweful and none of their units can possiably be good looking and any that are useful is clear proof oif GW's neferous plan to burn my old marine minis #tinfoilhat crap

I mean frankly I think the Impulsor looks GREAT, but I think looked at in person the repulsor tank also isn't as bad as some people claim and the gun placement is even.. sensable.

I mean you have your big turreted gun, a heavy bolter covering the front, and then the rear and sides each have a anti-infantry weapon. it's just.... 8th edition doesn't have firing arcs for tanks

Impulsor looks far better than the exterminator and repulsor. Mostly because it looks like an awesome concept both in real deployment and overall look.

I adore the model, except the Invictius makes me laugh.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Impulsor looks far better than the exterminator and repulsor. Mostly because it looks like an awesome concept both in real deployment and overall look.

I adore the model, except the Invictius makes me laugh.

yeah but 40k should have the odd "make you laugh" mini

 Asherian Command wrote:
Impulsor looks far better than the exterminator and repulsor. Mostly because it looks like an awesome concept both in real deployment and overall look.

I adore the model, except the Invictius makes me laugh.

To me the Invictus is a call back to the original STC that humanity would have had. Pre-Dark Ages. We would"t have much use for an armoured coffin carrier but a piloted Mech? Sure.

I see it more likely moving equipment than being used on the frontlines.

the codex also notes that it plugs into the marines armor and interacts with it so chances are the majority of the controls are being made by DNI, the controls we can see are proably just to control the stubbers or something

Now to wait on primaris assault squad. as the inceptors really don't fill the gap of melee.

Which is my only complaint so far... wheres my melee marines!

 Asherian Command wrote:
I see it more likely moving equipment than being used on the frontlines.

The main battle tank ofnthe Guard is based on a tractor isn't it?

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
I see it more likely moving equipment than being used on the frontlines.

The main battle tank ofnthe Guard is based on a tractor isn't it?

No. Never was that has been spread by id4chan.

If anything it might of been a retro tank back during the dark age of technology.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Now to wait on primaris assault squad. as the inceptors really don't fill the gap of melee.

Which is my only complaint so far... wheres my melee marines!

\

it si a little odd especially given that this new codex has pushed to make marines better and better at melee. right now even our basic primaris troops are alright at melee but having a amazing unit on hand to really push it to the next level'd be nice

A good start would be giving characters and other sergeants access to the Intercessors Sergeants weapon options.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
A good start would be giving characters and other sergeants access to the Intercessors Sergeants weapon options.

*sigh* That was the thing I wanted the most to happen in this new codex... I'm thankful of all the buffs, but still...

 Crimson wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
A good start would be giving characters and other sergeants access to the Intercessors Sergeants weapon options.

*sigh* That was the thing I wanted the most to happen in this new codex... I'm thankful of all the buffs, but still...

I emailed the FAQ team to (politely) ask for just that and honestly encourage others to do the same.

We have upgrade sprues, might as well let us use them on more stuff.

Primaris got lots of toys but they still remain boring when it comes to their kits.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Primaris got lots of toys but they still remain boring when it comes to their kits.

If by kits you mean individual weapon options for sergents and characters, then I agree.

So can a primaris captain be upgraded to Chapter Master now?

dogfender wrote:
So can a primaris captain be upgraded to Chapter Master now?

Looks like it, yes.

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

Did anyone complain about the new Abaddon? I don't recall seeing complaints about him on dakka but it's possible I missed some. And if chaos players can't find anything to complain about in a release then I suspect no one can...

*raises hand*

I did - he's far too big. For some reason they released the 3-up rather than the normal model, which would've been smaller than the old one, as nature intended.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
Primaris got lots of toys but they still remain boring when it comes to their kits.

If by kits you mean individual weapon options for sergents and characters, then I agree.

Plus torso and legs all being on the same bit sprue which is still VERY annoying.

Plus weapon kits being very lack luster for primaris in general

Revilers using only knives is still the dumbest thing in 40k.

Chainswords please.

reivers using knives instead of chainswords makes sense if they're supposed to be stealthy I suppose but given they're terror troops they TOTALLY should have chainswords I agree. I can't think of much thats more terrifying then a chainsword dismemeberment.

BrianDavion wrote:
reivers using knives instead of chainswords makes sense if they're supposed to be stealthy I suppose but given they're terror troops they TOTALLY should have chainswords I agree. I can't think of much thats more terrifying then a chainsword dismemeberment.

Their helmets are equipped with vox AMPLIFIERS. They don't do quiet. They do loud. Like screaming at your enemy until they piss themselves type combat. Chainswords would definitely add into that.

I still think the following model is the coolest though. I might need to give that knife arm to a Reiver.

(I just had a FANTASTIC idea. I am going to use my extra Reivers to make even MORE Incursors!)

I mean they would look awesome reaper chainblades which have barbed hooks instead to absolutely terrify people.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
reivers using knives instead of chainswords makes sense if they're supposed to be stealthy I suppose but given they're terror troops they TOTALLY should have chainswords I agree. I can't think of much thats more terrifying then a chainsword dismemeberment.

Their helmets are equipped with vox AMPLIFIERS. They don't do quiet. They do loud. Like screaming at your enemy until they piss themselves type combat. Chainswords would definitely add into that.

I still think the following model is the coolest though. I might need to give that knife arm to a Reiver.

(I just had a FANTASTIC idea. I am going to use my extra Reivers to make even MORE Incursors!)

thats what I am doing!