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 Dysartes wrote:

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

Did anyone complain about the new Abaddon? I don't recall seeing complaints about him on dakka but it's possible I missed some. And if chaos players can't find anything to complain about in a release then I suspect no one can...

*raises hand*

I did - he's far too big. For some reason they released the 3-up rather than the normal model, which would've been smaller than the old one, as nature intended.

Abigail was always supposed to be pretty big though. Far too big isn't a valid complaint in the same vein as saying the current Primarch models are too big.

Yeah. Rumors of being a Horus Clone wouldn't make a ton of sense if he was incredibly smaller than him.

Danny76 wrote:
Where did they get their info though?
They said things like “probably going to be” and “this isn’t like one book, it’s like 8 books” but I didn’t hear mention of that being definitive, just the way people chat. But do they have insider knowledge for some reason?
(Also, the Codex and 6 supplements makes 7, so it would technically be one more supplement there..)

They have direct access to the playtesters of the entire release so...he also specifically stated they know because they have retail outlet info on upcoming products with no official release date.

A couple of things I noticed in the new Ultramarines Codex:

- The Chapter Champion is massively improved! 6" heroic interventions, always fights first, re-rolls to wound as well as to hit, an extra attack, and a master-crafted power sword instead of a standard one. It's also gone down in points. I think I'll be trying one out soon.

- The Terminus Ultra is mentioned in the fluff section of the book and there is even an illustration of it, but there is no datasheet. I was very surprised by this - looks like they thought about including it, then decided not to and forgot that the fluff was still there!

1) Is speculation (Sisters of Battle)
2) Is solved by the spirit of "let's talk to each other about what type of game we want to play and come to an agreement." So insert random player doesn't put his FW God List on the table in a casual pick up game. (FW Units)
3) Again is speculation, until an official statement from GW. (Index getting Squatted)

Slayer-Fan123

Your opinion doesn't count once you start your whole rambling about FW stuff being broken when it's decidedly not.

With the formatting you used who is the targeting...I never said FW is broken, however some people ARE salty about FW in games.
The person I am replying to for whatever reason. The response was talk to others in order to find out what types of games people want to play and come to an agreement.

dogfender wrote:
So can a primaris captain be upgraded to Chapter Master now?

That was already possible in the last codex. But yes, it is still possible.

 Dysartes wrote:

 warboss wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


where 40k minis are concerned everything is "divisive" I've yet to see a mini get released that EVERYONE is behind. and certainly nothing space marine.

Did anyone complain about the new Abaddon? I don't recall seeing complaints about him on dakka but it's possible I missed some. And if chaos players can't find anything to complain about in a release then I suspect no one can...

*raises hand*

I did - he's far too big. For some reason they released the 3-up rather than the normal model, which would've been smaller than the old one, as nature intended.

-Nostalgia- They haven't used 3-ups in a long time, it's all CAD designed now :(

So next weeks releases includes a new Kill Team box, which is bewildering to me. Was hoping to see the third or fourth supplement.

We have the supplements, Infiltrator/Incursor box, the Phobos Lieutenant, Impulsor, and Eliminators still to come.

Plus whatever characters come with the supplements.

C'mon Shrike and Shadowborn!

So I don't know if it's been mentioned, but a rumor circulating in a French forum puts Black Templar seperate from the Imperial Fists and other supplements:
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/269878-codex-space-marines/&do=findComment&comment=3383307

Apparently the source was correct about some infor regarding the Space Marine release so it may be trustworthy.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We have the supplements, Infiltrator/Incursor box, the Phobos Lieutenant, Impulsor, and Eliminators still to come.

Plus whatever characters come with the supplements.

C'mon Shrike and Shadowborn!

Plus Kardan Stronos, and an iron hands character...

Also maybe a new crimson fist character?

Maybe anything new?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So I don't know if it's been mentioned, but a rumor circulating in a French forum puts Black Templar seperate from the Imperial Fists and other supplements:
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/269878-codex-space-marines/&do=findComment&comment=3383307

Apparently the source was correct about some infor regarding the Space Marine release so it may be trustworthy.

I could see it, Black Templars are so divergant from the Imperial fists that combining them would mean two sourcebooks in one. even Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists will be a fair bit of stuff, although I expect they'll share a librarius disipline and strats. Black Templars however are orginized radically differantly, and will have a fair number of datasheets unique to them,.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So I don't know if it's been mentioned, but a rumor circulating in a French forum puts Black Templar seperate from the Imperial Fists and other supplements:
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/269878-codex-space-marines/&do=findComment&comment=3383307

Apparently the source was correct about some infor regarding the Space Marine release so it may be trustworthy.

I could see it, Black Templars are so divergant from the Imperial fists that combining them would mean two sourcebooks in one. even Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists will be a fair bit of stuff, although I expect they'll share a librarius disipline and strats. Black Templars however are orginized radically differantly, and will have a fair number of datasheets unique to them,.

It would just mean a book with about 10 entries and three sets of relics and warlord traits, maybe an extra page of stratagems. Closer to ultramarine supplement with all the characters and couple units than white scars with the mere 2 character datasheets.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So I don't know if it's been mentioned, but a rumor circulating in a French forum puts Black Templar seperate from the Imperial Fists and other supplements:
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/269878-codex-space-marines/&do=findComment&comment=3383307

Apparently the source was correct about some infor regarding the Space Marine release so it may be trustworthy.

I could see it, Black Templars are so divergant from the Imperial fists that combining them would mean two sourcebooks in one. even Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists will be a fair bit of stuff, although I expect they'll share a librarius disipline and strats. Black Templars however are orginized radically differantly, and will have a fair number of datasheets unique to them,.

It would just mean a book with about 10 entries and three sets of relics and warlord traits, maybe an extra page of stratagems. Closer to ultramarine supplement with all the characters and couple units than white scars with the mere 2 character datasheets.

remember though that the other supplements also gave a company by company breakdown of the chapter. so assuming a combined IF book comes out we're looking at a chompany by company breakdown of 2 chapters and a break down of "prominant black templar crusades"

BrianDavion wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
So I don't know if it's been mentioned, but a rumor circulating in a French forum puts Black Templar seperate from the Imperial Fists and other supplements:
http://www.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?/topic/269878-codex-space-marines/&do=findComment&comment=3383307

Apparently the source was correct about some infor regarding the Space Marine release so it may be trustworthy.

I could see it, Black Templars are so divergant from the Imperial fists that combining them would mean two sourcebooks in one. even Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists will be a fair bit of stuff, although I expect they'll share a librarius disipline and strats. Black Templars however are orginized radically differantly, and will have a fair number of datasheets unique to them,.

It would just mean a book with about 10 entries and three sets of relics and warlord traits, maybe an extra page of stratagems. Closer to ultramarine supplement with all the characters and couple units than white scars with the mere 2 character datasheets.

remember though that the other supplements also gave a company by company breakdown of the chapter. so assuming a combined IF book comes out we're looking at a chompany by company breakdown of 2 chapters and a break down of "prominant black templar crusades"

Books are typically blocks of 16 pages, so 10 pages of crimson fists and 6 major crusades would work. And white scars is 64 pages while ultramarines is 80. Unless there are new primaris characters, the total you its would be lysander, pedro, helbrect, grimaldus, crusader squad, emperors champion, cenobyte servitors. 7 datasheets and 6 fluff entries. Say 2 pages for 3 sets of warlord traits and a psychic powers set. Maybe some vows for the templars. Page of imperial fist relic, page of crimson fist relics, page of templar relics, page of special issue relics.

I would be fine with Black Templars getting their own supplement. If nothing else, it will make the "We used to have our own codex" people pipe down. Honestly though, I could see them getting something that boosts Litanies of Faith somehow. Or maybe the ability for a Captain to gain a Litany.

Otherwise, moving them out of the Imperial Fists supplement gives the Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists more room for stuff. And really, Black Templars wouldn't really use much of the same Stratagems as the Fists in the first place. Then again, a lot of the Stratagems between the Ultramarines and White Scars books were the same thing, different names.

I guess my question is if the Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists will have a different Doctrine ability. Who knows. I just want my Primaris Pedro Kantor and some decent rules.

 bullyboy wrote:
So next weeks releases includes a new Kill Team box, which is bewildering to me. Was hoping to see the third or fourth supplement.

I reckon they're taking a week off so that either a, the wallets of SM players get a week to recover; b, it doesn't look like an entire month or six week period dedicated to just SM releases; or c, they're trying to keep a week per month available for "minor game" releases, without a big "main game" release detracting from them.

If Black Templars do get a separate supplement, then you can nearly 100% guarantee that it won't be in this initial round of 6 books. And, if that is the case, then GW would have already added the BT special units into the FAQ as datasheets.

They will likely have their own set of stuff inside the Fists supplement, but, the chances of them getting their own BT only book this year, or next, is pretty slim.

Kdash wrote:
If Black Templars do get a separate supplement, then you can nearly 100% guarantee that it won't be in this initial round of 6 books. And, if that is the case, then GW would have already added the BT special units into the FAQ as datasheets.

They will likely have their own set of stuff inside the Fists supplement, but, the chances of them getting their own BT only book this year, or next, is pretty slim.

Do you mean these datasheets from the character FAQ? https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/warhammer_40000_space_marines_character_datasheets_en.pdf

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If Black Templars do get a separate supplement, then you can nearly 100% guarantee that it won't be in this initial round of 6 books. And, if that is the case, then GW would have already added the BT special units into the FAQ as datasheets.

They will likely have their own set of stuff inside the Fists supplement, but, the chances of them getting their own BT only book this year, or next, is pretty slim.

Do you mean these datasheets from the character FAQ? https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/warhammer_40000_space_marines_character_datasheets_en.pdf

Somehow missed them… And i’m not sure why I forgot about the characters already being in the faq when they will also be in the supplements, so my additional reasoning is completely random lol!

I’m still of the firm belief that they won’t be part of the 6 initial supplements as a stand alone supplement though.

Primaris Grimaldus and Helbrecht would be a reason for me to finally start a Templars army.

Kdash wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If Black Templars do get a separate supplement, then you can nearly 100% guarantee that it won't be in this initial round of 6 books. And, if that is the case, then GW would have already added the BT special units into the FAQ as datasheets.

They will likely have their own set of stuff inside the Fists supplement, but, the chances of them getting their own BT only book this year, or next, is pretty slim.

Do you mean these datasheets from the character FAQ? https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/warhammer_40000_space_marines_character_datasheets_en.pdf

Somehow missed them… And i’m not sure why I forgot about the characters already being in the faq when they will also be in the supplements, so my additional reasoning is completely random lol!

I’m still of the firm belief that they won’t be part of the 6 initial supplements as a stand alone supplement though.

Those are the codex 1.0 datasheets with angles of death added only. I suspect the actual 2.0 datasheets are being held back untill the supplements. They only released these as the 1.0 codex datasheets dont have angles of death.

Ice_can wrote:

Kdash wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Kdash wrote:
If Black Templars do get a separate supplement, then you can nearly 100% guarantee that it won't be in this initial round of 6 books. And, if that is the case, then GW would have already added the BT special units into the FAQ as datasheets.

They will likely have their own set of stuff inside the Fists supplement, but, the chances of them getting their own BT only book this year, or next, is pretty slim.

Do you mean these datasheets from the character FAQ? https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/warhammer_40000_space_marines_character_datasheets_en.pdf

Somehow missed them… And i’m not sure why I forgot about the characters already being in the faq when they will also be in the supplements, so my additional reasoning is completely random lol!

I’m still of the firm belief that they won’t be part of the 6 initial supplements as a stand alone supplement though.

Those are the codex 1.0 datasheets with angles of death added only. I suspect the actual 2.0 datasheets are being held back untill the supplements. They only released these as the 1.0 codex datasheets dont have angles of death.

yeah those are a bare minimum effort C&P sheet

Coldfyre at B&C caught this bit in the fluff of the Ultramarines Supplement:



Another likely upcoming Primaris unit called the Hellfury. From the progression shown it looks to be fire support infantry squad, possibly in Gravis armour.

 Redemption wrote:
Coldfyre at B&C caught this bit in the fluff of the Ultramarines Supplement:



Another likely upcoming Primaris unit called the Hellfury. From the progression shown it looks to be fire support infantry squad, possibly in Gravis armour.

A lot of theory crafting seems to be melta or flamer based, though I have seen some mention a desire for Volkite.

Volkite would be an intreasting way to really dial up the heresy era feel of primaris. if I was going to take a guess the Hellfury is going to be a gravis heavy platform, Maybe the Lascanon/Missle centurion to the Agressors heavy bolter/Hurrican bolter Centurion. twin Plasma canons and a cyclone missile launcher maybe? (dear lord that'd be expensive but brutal)

At some point one of these rumour/news sites is going to actually read the new marine codex and realise you can tell what the supplements are by reading the warhead section.....

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
At some point one of these rumour/news sites is going to actually read the new marine codex and realise you can tell what the supplements are by reading the warhead section.....

Warhead section?

 Redemption wrote:
Coldfyre at B&C caught this bit in the fluff of the Ultramarines Supplement:



Another likely upcoming Primaris unit called the Hellfury. From the progression shown it looks to be fire support infantry squad, possibly in Gravis armour.

Be it that there are no references to the Suppressors in that passage, I am inclined to believe Hellfury was an early name for the Suppressor.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Be it that there are no references to the Suppressors in that passage, I am inclined to believe Hellfury was an early name for the Suppressor.

I'm not. The naming pattern wouldn't make sense.