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 ph34r wrote:
For successors, if I am say a Dark Angels or Blood Angels successor, do I have to use their particular tactics?

Or can I make them using the regular 'pick 2' successor trait rules?

You have to use the DA or BA rules.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
For successors, if I am say a Dark Angels or Blood Angels successor, do I have to use their particular tactics?

Or can I make them using the regular 'pick 2' successor trait rules?

You have to use the DA or BA rules.

Incorrect, he can do whatever he wants with his models. The plastic models do not have an inherent codex they must be used for. You can use your models one day using Codex: Space Marines and another day using Codex: Blood Angels. Just use the right rules, how a model is painted is irrelevant. That’s the most bizarre part of 8th edition, the constant questions over if you’re allowed to use YOUR models in a way you want.

 Kirasu wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
For successors, if I am say a Dark Angels or Blood Angels successor, do I have to use their particular tactics?

Or can I make them using the regular 'pick 2' successor trait rules?

You have to use the DA or BA rules.

Incorrect, he can do whatever he wants with his models. The plastic models do not have an inherent codex they must be used for. You can use your models one day using Codex: Space Marines and another day using Codex: Blood Angels. Just use the right rules, how a model is painted is irrelevant. That’s the most bizarre part of 8th edition, the constant questions over if you’re allowed to use YOUR models in a way you want.

That’s flat out not what was asked. DA/BA/SW/DW are not compatible with the custom chapter traits.

Then we’re reading different English.

The statement of “or can I make them using regular pick 2 successor traits rules” denotes a CHOICE between Blood Angel rules or Codex: Space Marines.

Yes, he has a choice to use Codex: SM instead of BA.

 Kirasu wrote:
Then we’re reading different English.

The statement of “or can I make them using regular pick 2 successor traits rules” denotes a CHOICE between Blood Angel rules or Codex: Space Marines.

Yes, he has a choice to use Codex: SM instead of BA.

Not if he wants to run any non Codex-Sm units. Try to run say, Ravenwing or Wolf Guard or Death Company with custom chapter Tactics and you’re playing an illegal army.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
Then we’re reading different English.

The statement of “or can I make them using regular pick 2 successor traits rules” denotes a CHOICE between Blood Angel rules or Codex: Space Marines.

Yes, he has a choice to use Codex: SM instead of BA.

Not if he wants to run any non Codex-Sm units. Try to run say, Ravenwing or Wolf Guard or Death Company with custom chapter Tactics and you’re playing an illegal army.

Sure, I’ll agree with you on that but I was assuming he understood basic rules of creating armies. Just like how you can’t use your Iron Hands successor with ultramarine characters. You can however change any of those models to use a different armies rules as you see fit from game to game, that was my point.

Good thing this is all totally not a bit clumsy. I bet it never occured to anybody in the rules team because, you know, they talked about their intention for the rules and had a common understanding what they were supposed to do. Too bad not everyone is working at GW HQ

I'm really driven to finish the multitude of Astartes Kill Teams made from Dark Imperium (and now Shadow Spear) I started last year, though. Even that gives me paralysis of choice when it comes to what chapters I want to actually paint and which are just "cool, I guess". Full Marines army like I wanted as a kid? While having to chose traits *and* a look?! Forget it. I wish I could knock out an army like todays Space Sharks as a "quick" project

Sorry for being vague. In my instance I am thinking about specifically Lamenters, and taking a Lamenters special character. So, sounds like I need to use the Blood Angels codex in this case.

 ph34r wrote:
Sorry for being vague. In my instance I am thinking about specifically Lamenters, and taking a Lamenters special character. So, sounds like I need to use the Blood Angels codex in this case.

Yeah if you want to use Malakim Phoros you're locked into the Blood Angels rules. If you're ok with using the SM codex rules and none of the special BA stuff you can always make your own chapter THE LAMENTERS and use the SM Successor rules, of course.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Sorry for being vague. In my instance I am thinking about specifically Lamenters, and taking a Lamenters special character. So, sounds like I need to use the Blood Angels codex in this case.

Yeah if you want to use Malakim Phoros you're locked into the Blood Angels rules. If you're ok with using the SM codex rules and none of the special BA stuff you can always make your own chapter THE LAMENTERS and use the SM Successor rules, of course.

That makes sense. Thanks guys.

it's worth noting one of the generic chapter traits is actually part of the dark angels traits

BrianDavion wrote:
it's worth noting one of the generic chapter traits is actually part of the dark angels traits

It is also worth noting that none of them mimic the Imperial Fists or Crimson Fists. Both traits for either of those armies are exclusive (besides sharing the Bolter trait between the two of them).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It is also worth noting that none of them mimic the Imperial Fists or Crimson Fists. Both traits for either of those armies are exclusive (besides sharing the Bolter trait between the two of them).

Which is weird. I almost suspect that Bolter Fusillades was supposed to be it, but there was some feth up.

 Crimson wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It is also worth noting that none of them mimic the Imperial Fists or Crimson Fists. Both traits for either of those armies are exclusive (besides sharing the Bolter trait between the two of them).

Which is weird. I almost suspect that Bolter Fusillades was supposed to be it, but there was some feth up.

I personally can see it initially being Bolter Fusillades but them realising it was too powerful or it made IF/CF redundant.

The current Bolter Fusillades rule is also really badly written. It allows for all 1's to be re-rolled but at first glance it doesn't read like that.

yeah thats my read they where worried it';d be a bit too good. IFs and CFs chapter tactics are solid, but the second part of them is VERY situational. IFs, just for example might fight an opponent who doesn't bother with cover in which case their CT is pretty much JUST he bolter part of it. Likewise Crimson fists CT is situational, I mean if you're playing agaisnt a custodes army (just for example) your squads aren't going to be out numbered. I think GW was being very careful to avoid a situation where the sucessor chapters where clearly better then the first founding.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
Sorry for being vague. In my instance I am thinking about specifically Lamenters, and taking a Lamenters special character. So, sounds like I need to use the Blood Angels codex in this case.

Yeah if you want to use Malakim Phoros you're locked into the Blood Angels rules. If you're ok with using the SM codex rules and none of the special BA stuff you can always make your own chapter THE LAMENTERS and use the SM Successor rules, of course.

And use a generic character and call him “Malakim”, if you don’t specifically want his special profile.
You could even run the Ultramarine book, with Calgar, and call him that, and call the chapter Lamenters on paper/out loud.
As long as the rules for the list are all from one place etc etc

*sigh* Another week of waiting for more SM stuff. I really want my Impulsors and Eliminators. This is getting ridiculous.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* Another week of waiting for more SM stuff. I really want my Impulsors and Eliminators. This is getting ridiculous.

Why with all the supplements that will take along time longer.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* Another week of waiting for more SM stuff. I really want my Impulsors and Eliminators. This is getting ridiculous.

Why with all the supplements that will take along time longer.

I don't get what you mean. There is no good reason the releases should be spaced a month or so apart. At this rate, it will be Christmas before they are done releasing the kits.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* Another week of waiting for more SM stuff. I really want my Impulsors and Eliminators. This is getting ridiculous.

Why with all the supplements that will take along time longer.

I don't get what you mean. There is no good reason the releases should be spaced a month or so apart. At this rate, it will be Christmas before they are done releasing the kits.

Excactly, steady income.
Polishing up those Quartal numbers and with SoB around christmas nice big hike there.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
*sigh* Another week of waiting for more SM stuff. I really want my Impulsors and Eliminators. This is getting ridiculous.

Yeah, i agree, they took the wind out of the sails of this release. I don't care about the supplements and special characters, but you'd think they'd want to get the new troops, heavy weapons and dedicated transport out in the world.
People might actually buy those if given the chance, rather than overpriced gimmick releases.

I'm starting to wonder if Nova coming up was factored into the release schedule.

Nova would give them an opportunity to showcase the remaining 4 supplements all at once, highlight a forthcoming story arc(cause I'm basically guaranteeing you that there is one coming), and give us an idea as to what to expect for the remaining part of the year.

And I say this as someone who is sitting on cash earmarked for 3 sets of Incursors, 2x Reiver Lts, and at least two boxes of Eliminators plus that Raven Guard Supplement and whatever character+upgrade stuff comes out.

definatly annoying the wait, the supplements I can almost understand but would it have killed GW to I dunno.. put out a new kit each week in addition to all this other crap?

BrianDavion wrote:
definatly annoying the wait, the supplements I can almost understand but would it have killed GW to I dunno.. put out a new kit each week in addition to all this other crap?

Probably, just like coordination and communication between their writers seemingly kills them

They are drastically reducing my desire to get much of anything else. Had they posted the article today? They might have gotten me to go in for an Invictor Warsuit on next Saturday. Now it is going to be two weeks at a minimum before a pre-order. And that Invictor will probably be staying on the shelf because it won't be in the New Releases section anymore.

this is definatly reducing impulse buys.

It's a safe bet that they showed the missing kits alongside the things they already released because people would see them in the codex anyway, but given GW's usual behavior this raises expectations among the customers. To have the new Marine releases split up like this atypical to say the least. What an odd release.

on the bright side my birthday is on the 4th so I'll have birthday money for the big mini release that presumably pre-orders on the 7th

Yeah, the wait is killing my drive to buy. And I don't even play Marines. My son that plays UMs just needs 2 Impulsors to complete his list and the wait is making me want to just buy 2 Razorbacks and turn them into Impulsors. My other son plays Salamanders, so we don't even know what he needs for his list

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honestly, a 3 week wait time isn't that long once we step back, the big problem is a communication issue from GW. truthfully it's hurting them as well. if they'd released the SM stuff I mighta looked at aeronautica, but I'm in a holding pattern until I can get the SM stuff I need