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 Gallahad wrote:
I'm interested in starting kill team, I love the Reiver models and like the Tau, so I just popped over to the website to take a gander...
No way am I paying $160 for that box.
I've never gotten into 40k, but GW sure isn't going to win me over anytime soon if that is their offering for a starter.

You're better off not getting the starter and just picking up the book and the kits. FLGS stores typically have terrain, and unless you're looking to build a table for personal use at home, you won't need half of what is in that box.

 Togusa wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I'm interested in starting kill team, I love the Reiver models and like the Tau, so I just popped over to the website to take a gander...
No way am I paying $160 for that box.
I've never gotten into 40k, but GW sure isn't going to win me over anytime soon if that is their offering for a starter.

You're better off not getting the starter and just picking up the book and the kits. FLGS stores typically have terrain, and unless you're looking to build a table for personal use at home, you won't need half of what is in that box.

Even then. The book is $40, a box of firewarriors is $50, and reavers are $50. So to buy those separate without the terrain is already $140. So if you REALLY wanted to get both kill teams, and needed the rules. The box is still a good discount. Though it's up to you if you count the extra dice, cards, tokens, and terrain as being worth the extra $20.

I wanted to get it for myself even though I'm already invested in kill team. I probably won't now. But if I was just starting. I totally would buy this box.

balmong7 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I'm interested in starting kill team, I love the Reiver models and like the Tau, so I just popped over to the website to take a gander...
No way am I paying $160 for that box.
I've never gotten into 40k, but GW sure isn't going to win me over anytime soon if that is their offering for a starter.

You're better off not getting the starter and just picking up the book and the kits. FLGS stores typically have terrain, and unless you're looking to build a table for personal use at home, you won't need half of what is in that box.

Even then. The book is $40, a box of firewarriors is $50, and reavers are $50. So to buy those separate without the terrain is already $140. So if you REALLY wanted to get both kill teams, and needed the rules. The box is still a good discount. Though it's up to you if you count the extra dice, cards, tokens, and terrain as being worth the extra $20.

I wanted to get it for myself even though I'm already invested in kill team. I probably won't now. But if I was just starting. I totally would buy this box.

But you wouldn't need both sets of models.

You can go 40 for the book, 40-60 depending on the kit you pick (your faction) and source dice from somewhere much cheaper. Tokens can be made by hand from scratch paper and a pen, and the terrain isn't needed if you have a local shop you go to to play.

balmong7 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I'm interested in starting kill team, I love the Reiver models and like the Tau, so I just popped over to the website to take a gander...
No way am I paying $160 for that box.
I've never gotten into 40k, but GW sure isn't going to win me over anytime soon if that is their offering for a starter.

You're better off not getting the starter and just picking up the book and the kits. FLGS stores typically have terrain, and unless you're looking to build a table for personal use at home, you won't need half of what is in that box.

Even then. The book is $40, a box of firewarriors is $50, and reavers are $50. So to buy those separate without the terrain is already $140. So if you REALLY wanted to get both kill teams, and needed the rules. The box is still a good discount. Though it's up to you if you count the extra dice, cards, tokens, and terrain as being worth the extra $20.

I wanted to get it for myself even though I'm already invested in kill team. I probably won't now. But if I was just starting. I totally would buy this box.

Sort of. Correct on the Core Rules and Fire Warriors. The starter only has half the number that you would get in a Reivers box. You would be much better off picking up First Strike if your aim was playing Kill Team. While I like Reivers, I don't field more than 3 anyways and you will definitely want Intercessors and having the one modeled with an auspex is really nice if you want a total package comms intercessor. Plus, you are well on your way to having a Death Guard kill team if you want a more easy-make competitive faction.

I agree with the idea of picking up the core rules and you faction of choice (usually two boxes of models) most of the time. If you don't play somewhere that already has boards and terrain and don't want to try create your own, try and find one of the old Kill Team terrain sets or maybe even consider one of the Warcry ones. I would only pick up this starter is definitely wanted everything in it or could split it with someone that wants what you don't. Both the Tau and the Space Marines are definitely going to want additional units to round out their rosters, so try and keep that in mind.

This starter is okay, but I get the feeling I not going to see a sudden influx of Tau or Space Marine players nor Sector Mechanicus boards when I play Kill Team. At least GW doesn't have to worry about this one selling out quickly.

Incoming overpriced DOORS EXPANSION STARTER! OMG SO HYPE!!!!!11111

Yeah Kill Team: Catacombs with two half warbands and a sprue of doors for probably more than the first starter cost is near to the worst things that could have happened.

You want those hot new Heavy Intercessors?

Have a Kill Team boxed set you don't want to get them.

GW never fails to impress.

Clearly people would buy this for the doors. The best kind of terrain. You also get necron LEGO blocks as a bonus!

 TalonZahn wrote:
You want those hot new Heavy Intercessors?

Have a Kill Team boxed set you don't want to get them.

GW never fails to impress.

I am pretty sure they said that all the units will be released later. They'll just be in Kill Team first. So a little more patience is required. I think you will find little sympathy from non-Space Marine players on something like this. Everyone has managed to go all of 40k's existence without Heavy Intercessors so far. A few months more shouldn't be that painful.

Is it a little jerky? Maybe. I don't know. I like Kill Team and I can definitely use all the models in this expansion. If someone really wants those Intercessors and simply can't wait until their solo release, I'm not sure if I can muster any sympathy for them if they go out and buy a bunch of these likely, even for GW, expensive expansion boxes.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
You want those hot new Heavy Intercessors?

Have a Kill Team boxed set you don't want to get them.

GW never fails to impress.

I am pretty sure they said that all the units will be released later. They'll just be in Kill Team first. So a little more patience is required. I think you will find little sympathy from non-Space Marine players on something like this. Everyone has managed to go all of 40k's existence without Heavy Intercessors so far. A few months more shouldn't be that painful.

Is it a little jerky? Maybe. I don't know. I like Kill Team and I can definitely use all the models in this expansion. If someone really wants those Intercessors and simply can't wait until their solo release, I'm not sure if I can muster any sympathy for them if they go out and buy a bunch of these likely, even for GW, expensive expansion boxes.

And everyone ignores how Necrons also have two units kicked behind the box because they're not another stupidly overpowered Marines piece of garbage that Marine Players need to get their hands on RIGHT NOW because they might lose a game one day otherwise

Considering how cut down this is in terms of contents, I really hope the price is adjusted to something more appropriate.

I doubt that'll happen, but one can hope. New stuff looks nice.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
You want those hot new Heavy Intercessors?

Have a Kill Team boxed set you don't want to get them.

GW never fails to impress.

I am pretty sure they said that all the units will be released later. They'll just be in Kill Team first. So a little more patience is required. I think you will find little sympathy from non-Space Marine players on something like this. Everyone has managed to go all of 40k's existence without Heavy Intercessors so far. A few months more shouldn't be that painful.

Is it a little jerky? Maybe. I don't know. I like Kill Team and I can definitely use all the models in this expansion. If someone really wants those Intercessors and simply can't wait until their solo release, I'm not sure if I can muster any sympathy for them if they go out and buy a bunch of these likely, even for GW, expensive expansion boxes.

I know the Rogue Trader Kill Team didn't appear outside of their big box yet but I'd imagine it's highly unlikely these won't .

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Considering how cut down this is in terms of contents, I really hope the price is adjusted to something more appropriate.

Have you seen Warcry Catacombs

The helmets on the heavy intercessors look like they're trying to evoke the look of Indomitus armor, and for that I hate them because they are not updated Indomitus Terminator models.

I’ll be buying 2 of this box for sure and hopefully getting 10 more flayed ones second hand. I play both SM and Necrons and want literally all of these models in multiples—except maybe the chronomancer, but he’s the best cryptek so will be easy to sell.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
And everyone ignores how Necrons also have two units kicked behind the box because they're not another stupidly overpowered Marines piece of garbage that Marine Players need to get their hands on RIGHT NOW because they might lose a game one day otherwise

I didn't ignore that. One, Flayed Ones are technically available now. Sure, their Finecast and good luck actually tracking down somewhere they aren't sold out, but they were already available. Two, I think the demand for the characters is far less than the demand for the units on either side. I was planning on just kitbashing my Plasmancer from the Indomitus box to save money even in the event of a solo release. I suspect a number of people probably were going to do it or have done it with the Dark Imperium Gravis Captain too. Even if that is the case a single purchase is a whole lot easier to stomach for those not patient enough to wait for the solo releases.


I would take it as a kindness if you calm your vitriol on space marines. If you were joking, it didn't come out in text to me. If you were not, it makes you seem just as petulant of those you wish to insult.

Chopstick wrote:
Clearly people would buy this for the doors. The best kind of terrain. You also get necron LEGO blocks as a bonus!

I pondered the last set because of the terrain, even though I didn't really want Wolf Reavers or Random tau box. Didn't get it, but I thought about it.
But this terrain is just soooo bad. Most of it barely hides crouching flayed ones and I've no idea what to do with stand alone doors.

If it isn't priced at a real bargain for the four kits, I can't imagine buying this. The doors and lego blocks add negative value to this box, and its frankly sad as it is with 12 whole models.

Voss wrote:

If it isn't priced at a real bargain for the four kits, I can't imagine buying this. The doors and lego blocks add negative value to this box, and its frankly sad as it is with 12 whole models.

I say 160€ because it will be the only source for the models for a while and it is advertised as full starter set

Chronomancer is the best looking Cryptek so far.

Voss wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Clearly people would buy this for the doors. The best kind of terrain. You also get necron LEGO blocks as a bonus!

I pondered the last set because of the terrain, even though I didn't really want Wolf Reavers or Random tau box. Didn't get it, but I thought about it.
But this terrain is just soooo bad. Most of it barely hides crouching flayed ones and I've no idea what to do with stand alone doors.

If it isn't priced at a real bargain for the four kits, I can't imagine buying this.

I quite expect it to be $210. The same as the Warcry Catacombs box. And yes, I recognize it has much less that even Catacombs has. I certainly don't think it will be less than $150. Basically, Kill Team Arena+2 Faction Kill Team Starter Boxes ($90+$65+65+2021 GW prices)

So I don't think it is going to be a worthwhile purchase for those not wanting to play Kill Team beyond maybe a single box as the new squads certainly aren't going to cover the big price tag. I have my doubts about those wanting to play Kill Team too. I like all the contents, but I am not quite sure if I like $210 for it just yet.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I quite expect it to be $210. The same as the Warcry Catacombs box. And yes, I recognize it has much less that even Catacombs has. I certainly don't think it will be less than $150. Basically, Kill Team Arena+2 Faction Kill Team Starter Boxes ($90+$65+65+2021 GW prices)

So I don't think it is going to be a worthwhile purchase for those not wanting to play Kill Team beyond maybe a single box as the new squads certainly aren't going to cover the big price tag. I have my doubts about those wanting to play Kill Team too. I like all the contents, but I am not quite sure if I like $210 for it just yet.

Agreed. When Catacombs came out, I thought GW might give customers a break and so I wrote that my guess was $160 because of less product. Wrong. So while I'm tempted to guess GW will push it higher, I think they will try to make $210 the new "normal" for boxed sets. If profits remain steady or go higher, then they'll push prices higher. If sales tank, then they might put more product in future boxes to make the $210 look more reasonable.

Flayers. While I do need them, I want to see the price on the individually boxed Flayers. If they are higher than the Failcast ones, I'll either kitbash [there are a number of kitbashing articles on the web], or just give up on Necrons in Kill Team. With Deathwatch, AdMech, and the Plague Marines from Space Heroes Series 3 [Not assembled or painted yet], I've plenty of KT options, and I own Rogue Trader as well.

Not sure the value is there for me in GW, not at these prices. And if you look at my signature, I have other miniature gaming options with better value (at least for me).

This box can not possibly cost more than 100€ ($120?).

If it’s $160, I’ll probably buy it even though I’ll print my own terrain. If it’s $200+, nope.

I just bought Indomitus and 2 of the elite boxes to start back into 40K after many editions away. The fact that it comes with the rules to use the models from Indomitus as well just gives me more play possibilities.

Also with terrible weapon and 5" move the melee only 5 flayed one "kill team" (worth 10 pts each) will be absolutely demolished by heavy bolter primaris.

They're so stingy they couldn't afford to give people 10 flayed one, which is 100 pts.

Ancestral Hamster wrote:.

Flayers. While I do need them, I want to see the price on the individually boxed Flayers. If they are higher than the Failcast ones, I'll either kitbash [there are a number of kitbashing articles on the web], or just give up on Necrons in Kill Team. With Deathwatch, AdMech, and the Plague Marines from Space Heroes Series 3 [Not assembled or painted yet], I've plenty of KT options, and I own Rogue Trader as well.

I would put the upper limit to new Necron Flayers at $55. I would kinda expect them to be less, but Lumineth Stone Guard are 5 on 32mm and kinda wanted in numbers. So I wouldn't be entirely surprised at $55.

Darnok wrote:This box can not possibly cost more than 100€ ($120?).

Oh, it most certainly can. And will. Kill Team Arena came out with far less and was $90. At $120, that won't even cover the costs of the character and unit models. This isn't a starter, old models or even factions not in demand. That book, board and terrain are more than enough to have GW believe they can sell this box for more than all the other models at RRP. The only reason I won't complete write this off as not a jerk move is the fact I do think GW is going to charge a pretty penny for it. I think for anything less that $150 (probably $170) this will sellout in less than half-an-hour. And GW knows it. Which does make it a jerk move IMO on their part if and when it comes out at around $210.

 Darnok wrote:
This box can not possibly cost more than 100€ ($120?).

Oh you sweet summer child

I guess it's pretty obvious that I was not that serious. Of course it can cost more, and it just might. To me it stops being "value" beyond that point though.

Having said that: GW never ceases to amaze me with their pricing choices. We'll see how this one goes...

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

Voss wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Clearly people would buy this for the doors. The best kind of terrain. You also get necron LEGO blocks as a bonus!

I pondered the last set because of the terrain, even though I didn't really want Wolf Reavers or Random tau box. Didn't get it, but I thought about it.
But this terrain is just soooo bad. Most of it barely hides crouching flayed ones and I've no idea what to do with stand alone doors.

If it isn't priced at a real bargain for the four kits, I can't imagine buying this.

I quite expect it to be $210. The same as the Warcry Catacombs box. And yes, I recognize it has much less that even Catacombs has. I certainly don't think it will be less than $150. Basically, Kill Team Arena+2 Faction Kill Team Starter Boxes ($90+$65+65+2021 GW prices).

Wow. I thought I was cynical about GW pricing. At $150 all they'd get from me is mocking laughter. $210, I'd seriously suggest they stop sneaking into Bugman's backroom for pints when they're making decisions.

At the end of the day it'd still be cheaper than buying everything separatedly. But most of the cost come from heavily inflated price of the 2 characters, book and cardboard. Which should cost around 160US$ according to GW.

Ballpark prices:

Captain - $35
HI - $50
Crypto - $35
Flay - $45

Throw in the other stuff, we're easily over $200, so the box will probably be $175-$190.