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 xttz wrote:


I know people have mentioned the contents of the terrain sets already, but this is worth highlighting. Both the Sunday preview and Saturday pre-order articles show the contents from the last time sets were released under these names, with £90+ worth of terrain:



Not all 3rd-party sites include pictures and/or product descriptions, so beware if you've ordered from one after only seeing these articles and are much better value. Instead they're effectively just old-style 'one-click' web bundles using the same name of a product that used to be sold with a decent discount.

I assume that, irrespective of what is shown in a preview, the important thing is that the webstore entry is correct when it comes to buying.

Remember, products always seem to have a lot of disclaimer blurb about how contents may change, colours may vary and/ or price may increase and all that sort of 'get out of jail free' nonsense.


Plus, if the consumer is not happy:

If for any reason at all, you're not satisfied with your purchase, you can return it to us for a refund, or exchange it for something else. No quibbles and no funny handshakes required. All we ask is the product still be in its original packaging and you have your proof of purchase and we'll be happy to help.
Just call our Customer Service team on 0115 91 40000 or email them at uk.custserv@gwplc.com, they will take care of this for you as quickly and simply as possible.

Nevermind.

JWBS wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

JWBS wrote:
It's been noted that they're using the pictures of old killzones and the new killzones contain a lot less stuff.

So UK doesn't have consumer protection or did that go away when they left the EU? That's more or less lying to the consumer if true.

No. There's no consumer protection in the UK. There's no law at all in fact - the UK relied on the EU for its entire legal code. There's no lamp posts and no horses, and we also don't have the colour purple in the UK.

You lost all stealth units?

Cronch wrote:
And that's why any talk of "boycotting" GW price increases is pipe dream. They could charge $100 for 5 marines and people will be able to "justify" it.

True, but at some point they’ll start seeing a critical decline in the number of people willing / able to justify it, just like they were starting to see a few years ago, in the last days of Kirby, before they self-corrected. It takes a while though and at the moment there’s a lot of people indulging in “retail therapy” without caring too much about the cost.

The "Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set" is a better and cheaper Kill Zone than any of the actual Kill Zones

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 posermcbogus wrote:
feth me, the difference between gun profiles for the new Space Marines™ New Bigger™ Big Marines™ is the magazine you model on them? Like, we were already pushing the point of ridiculous with all the different Big Marines™ bolter profiles, but like, come on...

At least it's marginally less ridiculous than Deathwatch twin boltguns being a distinct weapon for the benefit of the one solitary model which has shot selectors modeled on his bike.

That comes down to GW being totally pants on head silly. Every time I look at the " Deathwatch twin boltguns " for one model, I die a bit inside. No player gives a flying fig if there isn't a modeled shot selector on the bolter. No one notices, no one cares.In a fight no one would be like " Wait a minute...that looks like there is no shot selector on it !! Reeeee !! "


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 Irbis wrote:

Or you can stop looking at fake lists made by trolls to rile up people who never check for themselves about primaris, and actually look, then you'd realize most of the ""bloat"" is due to squatmarines and exists purely for fluff/flavor reasons. GW could say reduce bolter/boltgun/twin bolter/combi bolter/storm bolter/hurricane bolter/[insert 5 other names] to a single profile (they all are literally identical S4 AP- Rapid Fire guns) and just give the platforms that have linked ones rule to fire it X times, but then you'd have complains in other direction - that storm bolter is totally not the same as combi-bolter and army X with guns dating to Horus Heresy is absolutely not going to use 'wrong' profile, cue threats to quit/burn army/whine on forums/etc.

Compared to this, primaris guns are all limited in amount, have distinct, very different roles, can be differentiated at a glance, and are overall vastly better both game and model design.

Hoo boy... I think you maybe need to cool out, friend. That's a whole lot of salt and projection for a throwaway comment about how distinguishing these minis' loadout on the tabletop might be a bit tricky.
IDK if you just really hope Geedubs is gonna notice how frantically you're whiteknighting RN, and finally call you back for a second interview, or if you work for GW and designed these, and you're feeling mad that no-one's gonna buy this dreadful boxset, but like, maybe just relax a little my guy. I'm really sorry saying Big Marines™ upset you so much.

I can't believe you called them Big Marines, we all know they are in fact called Really Really Big Man Marines.

 AngryAngel80 wrote:


I can't believe you called them Big Marines, we all know they are in fact called Really Really Big Man Marines.

Nah, Smurfs in heavy power armour.

The Littlest Giant Marines.

Was just about to put in an order for the 2019 Annual after all this disappointment but noticed its no longer on Wayland, save for other languages.

Looking on the GW site its now on "Last chance to buy"...make of that what you will.

Because it will be outdated soon. It'd be great if GW made 9th ed core manual for KT before all of the codexes are out instead of drip feeding new rule in lame boxes after codexes release.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The "Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set" is a better and cheaper Kill Zone than any of the actual Kill Zones

Exactly what I did. Even better because you can find people on EBay selling it’s contents from the Command Edition box for 50 USD from time to time.

Chopstick wrote:
Because it will be outdated soon. It'd be great if GW made 9th ed core manual for KT before all of the codexes are out instead of drip feeding new rule in lame boxes after codexes release.

Agreed, especially with BSF on its way out.

The thing about the 2019 annual is that it has the Sisters of Battle rules, so it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have them unavailable for too long? Not my cup of tea, but they seem very popular and well supported since the Psychic Awakening and 9th edition roll out.

SamusDrake wrote:


The thing about the 2019 annual is that it has the Sisters of Battle rules, so it seems unlikely that they wouldn't have them unavailable for too long? Not my cup of tea, but they seem very popular and well supported since the Psychic Awakening and 9th edition roll out.

The Sister is a low effort faction with 0 order trait (sub-faction trait), missing important units, very few choice for tactic The faction's specialty is their act of faith and sacred rites abilities and they can't do any of that in the game.

Chopstick wrote:
Because it will be outdated soon. It'd be great if GW made 9th ed core manual for KT before all of the codexes are out instead of drip feeding new rule in lame boxes after codexes release.

Well, they did hint at "big things" coming soon for KT.. The Pariah Nexus box is probably just a little something to get by with until the bigger release drops

Yes, it was basically beta rules from White Dwarf although I don't know if they bothered to revise them in any way for the annual.

Popular and supported as in 40K. The faction seems to be getting new units regularly( did they really need the Nun-suit? ), while they seem to be a favourite since their relaunch at the end of 8th edition.

SamusDrake wrote:
Yes, it was basically beta rules from White Dwarf although I don't know if they bothered to revise them in any way for the annual.

Popular and supported as in 40K. The faction seems to be getting new units regularly( did they really need the Nun-suit? ), while they seem to be a favourite since their relaunch at the end of 8th edition.

I for one love the Nundam suit, and that model alone might get me started on a small SoB fprce.

It is a nice model, I must say. Just think that it looks like a knight unit than a sisters.

Err, have a look at Pariah Nexus, the only winner for Necron in this edition is Deathmark with BS2+ and a better sniper weapon. Both Deathmark and Immortal got a +1 pts hike and +1 Toughness.

Immortal have 1W and cost the same as the new Bigger marine at 3W.

Bigger marine executor rifle is also 42", a whooping 12" longer than and way better than Immortal's puny Gauss guns.

Lychguard and Triarch Praetorian also have a +2 pts hike with the only buff is the Triarch Praetorian rod of covenants. I guess the 5 Lychguard team is too OP in 8th.
That's some garbage change for Necron.

I would have a look at Pariah Nexus if it was reasonably priced!

But seriously, the other winner is the gauss reaper option for the warrior as its good to have a stronger option for short range shoot outs.

Warhammer Community have confirmed Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones getting a proper release in May.

A great way to sell this boxset for those desperate to add to their piles of shame!

SamusDrake wrote:


But seriously, the other winner is the gauss reaper option for the warrior as its good to have a stronger option for short range shoot outs.

Lol no, this is killteam, shooting at longer than half range will result in -1 to hit. At a 12" range you'll be eating bullets for 2,3 turns before getting within range, in that case, you'll have ork-tier accuracy.


Also cheap horde unit like Flayed one coming out in box of 5, for 50-60USD, lol.

That rule is game wide which causes headaches for everyone and the necron warrior does have a starting ballistic skill of 3+, which gives them more room for hit modification than most other factions.

And yes, Flayed Ones. Probably aimed at stock traders with an affordable price tag of £37.50.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Warhammer Community have confirmed Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones getting a proper release in May.

Yet no word as on when the new HQ's will be available separately. Cheeky buss tards arent they

I'll hopefully get my HI's and the Captain tomorrow. Will be interesting to see the new rules too.




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SamusDrake wrote:
That rule is game wide which causes headaches for everyone and the necron warrior does have a starting ballistic skill of 3+, which gives them more room for hit modification than most other factions.

And yes, Flayed Ones. Probably aimed at stock traders with an affordable price tag of £37.50.

I'm not so sure about that. In our games of KillTeam, hit modifiers of -2 seem to be prevalent (shooting at an obscured target at more than half range). This makes even 3+ unreliable at best, so many firefights boil down to having enough dice or catching a model at an exposed position by flanking etc. But then again, this is one of the reasons I love KT, you cant just blast your way to victory without thinking about tactical positioning, unlike regular 40K, where stuff like positioning affects the outcome of the battle in other ways.

 tauist wrote:

Yet no word as on when the new HQ's will be available separately. Cheeky buss tards arent they

Well, being as this is WHC we're talking about then I'd assume they mean't them as well. Probably going to be £25 each, knowing GW.

SamusDrake wrote:
That rule is game wide which causes headaches for everyone and the necron warrior does have a starting ballistic skill of 3+, which gives them more room for hit modification than most other factions.

You doesn't seem to get it, if the weapon is double or even more than the range of a puny 12' guns, by the time you reach the distane to perform your orky shooting, people will be shooting at you at their optimal range, not to mention several turn of you eating bullets and doing nothing. Gauss reaper is a rather pointless weapons. You'd still be spamming Gauss Flayers for 99% of the time.


TL;DR Short range weapons suck, unless it's a flamers that can melt big guys in a single turn.

 tauist wrote:


I'm not so sure about that. In our games of KillTeam, hit modifiers of -2 seem to be prevalent (shooting at an obscured target at more than half range). This makes even 3+ unreliable at best, so many firefights boil down to having enough dice or catching a model at an exposed position by flanking etc

Not to dismiss what you are saying( its your experience of the game after all ) but once again, every model on the board is subject to hit modifiers. Even if attacking units do enjoy a longer range then they too have to pay the piper, which keeps things balanced. The only exception would be tactics and unit rules that ignore such modifiers.

Personally I find Kill Team to favour short range and melee due to smaller table sizes and reduced effectiveness to hit. For example, Banshees are a bit naff in 40K due to the distance they have to cover( especially without a transport ) but in KT they get down to business much sooner. If taking an all-firepower team it would have to be Tau, but otherwise I'd have to go for Tyranids as they are fast, numerous and lethal once they close in. Sometimes we've had no choice but to go for a larger board for Tyranids to keep things fair.

This is also not mentioning confined games such as Arena, Rogue Trader, BSF+WD and Pariah Nexus itself. Range definitely goes out of the window for those kind of games...especially if Tyranids are involved...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Warhammer Community have confirmed Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones getting a proper release in May.

I shudder to think what the cost of the 1-sprue Flayed One box is going to be.

£7.99 when Imperium comes around

Or is it £8.99? Can’t remember. Still grabbing a load of that issue.

Chopstick wrote:


You doesn't seem to get it, if the weapon is double or even more than the range of a puny 12' guns, by the time you reach the distane to perform your orky shooting, people will be shooting at you at their optimal range, not to mention several turn of you eating bullets and doing nothing. Gauss reaper is a rather pointless weapons. You'd still be spamming Gauss Flayers for 99% of the time.


TL;DR Short range weapons suck, unless it's a flamers that can melt big guys in a single turn.

We've both put our points across and while I have indeed taken onboard what you are saying, I feel that my point is not being taken onboard in return. From here on out we'll only end up going round in circles trying to brow beat each other, which neither of us really wishes to do.

And if you don't mind Chopstick, I shall leave it there.