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If it's $160 I'll pick it up from an online discounter, if it's $210 I'll probably skip it completely and just get the rulebook. I really like the board and the terrain, and I've still got my Indomitus box set that needs to be assembled and painted, this would be a great excuse to do so. It's been easier to get my old friends to play Kill Team than full 40K for quite a while now, and I love the Necron tomb vibe even if it's just some doors and boxes

 TalonZahn wrote:
Ballpark prices:

Captain - $35
HI - $50
Crypto - $35
Flay - $45

Throw in the other stuff, we're easily over $200, so the box will probably be $175-$190.

If we're spitballing prices, most recent terminator squads are $60 (or 65 in one case) And necron 5 man units are a coinflip- $48 or $38.

Boxed sets seem to alternate somewhat, most are fairly reasonable, but punctuated by really absurd decisions.

If this doesn't MSRP at $210 I will be very, very surprised. They surprised me with BB2020's price but I don't think it will be a pattern.

EDIT: Also, I collected a small necron force of the classic plastics for use in Grim Dark Future. I was worried that these flayed ones would tempt me but am relieved that the new style just doesn't grab me.

Its good to see Kill Team actually getting something exclusive for a change.

Only question is; do we really have to purchase this boxset just to get the rules to use the new necron warriors and assault intercessors?

Normal troop choice and heroes aren't "kill team exclusive", these are the same kind of "time exclusive" they pack in some of their other "battle box", Except this one got even worse value because they throw in overpriced card board and KT book and the worst kind of terrain one could ask for to justify selling it at the same price or more than their battle boxes.

The 60$ box Kill team with time exclusive heroes was much better than this.

Naturally. You'll probably see these models released separately for 40K in a similar fashion to the 9th edition starter set models.

Rogue Trader didn't have any "40k release". And they're actually a Kill team exclusive with character and unique troop being on a same sprue.

They also form a somewhat more coherent and playable "Kill team" than these wacky new "Kill team", Which didn't even have enough to form a 100 pts non-commander force. A 5 man Flayed one KT is a crap team, leader being a Flayed one with 1 W and can't provide any range support, so straight from the box it's a 4 man team + a wizard with leader hiding in corner doing nothing

Missed opportunity to have the box be a Mechanicus vs Necron. Far more thematic than Marines cs Necrons and on top of the they could have tied it in with models from the one video game that came out where you controlled Mechanicus going into a Pyramid.

That's deliberate, I suspect.
The last necron vs ad mech box set hung around on shelves for a long time. The sort of local shops near me still had a few last January, I was thinking about picking them up if they went on sale, but then 2020 happened.

Better than more fething Marines

I expect it won't be less then US$160, and I would not be surprised to see US$210. Remember, Brexit is a thing now, and that means the return of the stupid UK Export Tax. There is no way in GW is just going to absorb that cost. They are going to pass that on to the consumer. The annual GW price hike? This year it'll be over 15% for sure. We'll be back in a situation where it will be way cheaper to buy GW products in the UK then anywhere else in the world.

This box set is going to sell out immediately because Space Marine players won't be seeing Heavy Intercessors or the Gravix Captain for months (I bet late Fall/Winter 2021). eBay is about to be flooded with Chronomancers, Flayed Ones, and Kill Team stuff.

Ugh, what a cynical, negative post. Have I become just too jaded by GW???

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Better than more fething Marines

Sure. That's a thing you can say.

But from GW's perspective, they want speciality two army boxes to sell out. When the ones wth marines do and the ones without marines don't (wrath and rapture was another that lingered), what conclusions do you think they're going to draw? And so. More boxes with marines in.


Though admittedly, some, like the Phoenix box for Psychic snooze fest, was gak because they filled it with gak and charged an unreasonable price.

Feth GW's perspective, it is gak anyway.

 privateer4hire wrote:
If this doesn't MSRP at $210 I will be very, very surprised. They surprised me with BB2020's price but I don't think it will be a pattern.

EDIT: Also, I collected a small necron force of the classic plastics for use in Grim Dark Future. I was worried that these flayed ones would tempt me but am relieved that the new style just doesn't grab me.

I dunno. Maybe they are going back to the times where you got a good starter for a good price,,
BB was well received at that price.
But I’d have thought they’d put more in for a higher price, than drop down with less stuff.

(I suppose if BB is the start of something, that could be that specialist game sets being well priced. As opposed to the rest..
Which doesn’t necessarily help here, but would be nice for Necromunda or other things that come etc..)

I'm not getting it, but $160 for that teeny tiny playset? As long as they're okay with them still being on eBay in 2024. At $210 I think we might see a new CEO before summer.

Chopstick wrote:
Rogue Trader didn't have any "40k release". And they're actually a Kill team exclusive with character and unique troop being on a same sprue.

They also form a somewhat more coherent and playable "Kill team" than these wacky new "Kill team", Which didn't even have enough to form a 100 pts non-commander force. A 5 man Flayed one KT is a crap team, leader being a Flayed one with 1 W and can't provide any range support, so straight from the box it's a 4 man team + a wizard with leader hiding in corner doing nothing

Although you are correct that Rogue Trader was unique to Kill Team, I wasn't referring to them.

Let me put it another way; Kill Team usually uses whatever 40K gets first. For example, plastic Banshees and Incubi. For a short time Kill Team players had to purchase the 40K Blood of the Phoenix set to obtain them. With Pariah Nexus KT players will get the flayers and heavies first, for a short time. Its nice to have it that way around, for a change.

Keep in mind that Pariah Nexus is an expansion for indoor combat. The Flayers won't need to rely as much on ranged weapons in this style of play.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Remember, Brexit is a thing now, and that means the return of the stupid UK Export Tax. There is no way in GW is just going to absorb that cost. They are going to pass that on to the consumer.

What? I think you might have this a bit wrong. Are you thinking of VAT (value added tax, a flat rate tax on almost everything), or possibly "the stupid US Import Tax"? As far as I'm aware there's no such thing as a "UK Export Tax" and I shudder to think of what that would do to an economy, seems like a terrible idea even just considering the optics (disclaimer, I'm not an accountant).

It's amazing how they manage to make each Kill Team release worse than the last. And it'll probably be more expensive than the last starter set.

 frankelee wrote:
I'm not getting it, but $160 for that teeny tiny playset? As long as they're okay with them still being on eBay in 2024. At $210 I think we might see a new CEO before summer.

It all depends. If the current CEO keeps the stockholders happy, then it does not matter if the consumers are angry. As long as the stockholders get their dividends, it's all good.

Still, I'd think it would be easier to keep dividends high if you grow sales, not shrink them.

a new CEO?
it is not like the price or the content did not wok for Warcry

as long as this set sells out on release it is ok, sell out at pre-order and it is a success

I can still find Catacombs set for Warcry on the local store shelves. The original starter disappeared within weeks. So I'd say it didn't really *work* as great as before. Honestly, with the contents it has, it should be priced at just above the Underworlds 2-player starters, so around Start Collecting price.

Current KT starter are still on sale while "door-terrain" KT arena are sold out.

On the other note "Door-terrain" are lazy and low effort kit with little thought put behind it. Since these thing can't connect to anything. Back in the day when they made "door-terrain" like FW zone mortalis they at least made the door open and close.

Cronch wrote:
I can still find Catacombs set for Warcry on the local store shelves. The original starter disappeared within weeks. So I'd say it didn't really *work* as great as before. Honestly, with the contents it has, it should be priced at just above the Underworlds 2-player starters, so around Start Collecting price.

you could see Indominus on store shelves before the 2nd print run and shops asking around if people want to buy it
yet it was sold out at GW and hard to get online
if a FLGS cannot sell it, GW don't care as it is the problem of the shop while for them it is "sold" and gone

but lets see, I think GW is starting to overstretch again but this time they don't riks the main product but test it with specialist games which they can cancel easily (if KT and Warcry dies because they are too expensive, it will be hard for those who liked the game, but GW won't lose much)

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It's amazing how they manage to make each Kill Team release worse than the last. And it'll probably be more expensive than the last starter set.

According to the preview( and previous article for Kill Team ), Pariah Nexus is not a starter set but an expansion. One will also need the core manual and optionally Commanders for the two characters. It also does not come with dice nor tokens for the two teams.

This will likely be £80 to £90.

Cronch wrote:
I can still find Catacombs set for Warcry on the local store shelves. The original starter disappeared within weeks. So I'd say it didn't really *work* as great as before. Honestly, with the contents it has, it should be priced at just above the Underworlds 2-player starters, so around Start Collecting price.

The FLGS nearest me still had 4-5 copies of the Main Warcry box set well into the pandemic. They sold off all their GW stock to a competitor to help bridge bills, otherwise they would still have them. I think your seeing how your local shop works and believing it to be like that around the world.

I picked up an Indomitus set recently that was from wave 1, so it just depend on how well the store orders for itself and I found it plans on carrying some of these one off print runs throughout the year expecting the game to grow and expand. When you know GW is not going to make enough to satisfy future orders, sometimes you go big so you can have product later. It’s not ideal for small shops, but you need to have starter sets to grow a base.

I only checked this today, the Rogue Trader and Arena sets are gone.

Will the Pariah book have rules for all factions or is it just specific to Space Marine v. Necrons Pariah setting?

I meant more like all the "local" game stores, not one store's shelves. Even GW proper has it in stock. But you are correct that anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything on it's own.

this time they don't riks the main product but test it with specialist games which they can cancel easily

Idk, there has been steady (and entirely unannounced) price-rising for their main lines too. in AoS the LRL are more expensive than IDK despite both being the same quantity and quality, the big monster kits each one is more expensive than comparable previous kits.

They're firmly in their usual old rut of price-rise every year and making the loss-leaders less and less appealing.

Cronch wrote:
I can still find Catacombs set for Warcry on the local store shelves. The original starter disappeared within weeks. So I'd say it didn't really *work* as great as before. Honestly, with the contents it has, it should be priced at just above the Underworlds 2-player starters, so around Start Collecting price.

But we know it definitely won’t be anything near that good value.

Two characters at £22 ish each. And two units for £30 and £40 something like that?
Then the “extra stuff” in there too.

Ancient Otter wrote:
I only checked this today, the Rogue Trader and Arena sets are gone.

Will the Pariah book have rules for all factions or is it just specific to Space Marine v. Necrons Pariah setting?

By what they've said so far, Pariah Nexus covers just the Indomitus Marines & Necrons. Its an expansion to add confined fighting to the core game.

Expansion, with thin booklet that give profile cost for unit in the box, maybe some stratagem and how to play the game too if they're feeling generous.

Best way to get your hand on the hot new flayed dudes or marine with slightly different bolters is to camp ebay. that way you can avoid overpaying for those cardboard and 48 Necron doors + blocks

On a different thought Necron Doors + blocks look like decent terrain piece for Adeptus titanicus and AI.