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No reason to presume, other than that's what GW has explicitly stated, you mean. It comes with a book and specifically says "With models, rules, AND terrain, it’s everything you need to start playing Kill Team."

AUD$265 for that? Oh feth off GW...

Eh, you're just being obtuse.

There will be rules to play with what's in the box, most likely there will NOT be the full rules for Kill Team.

How would you play Kill Team without the base Kill Team rules?

I think the issue here is that they are arguing two different points.

It will contain the rules for playing Kill Team and include iTunes for the indomitus units.

What it most likely won’t contain are the other unit rules from the original rule book for non-indomitus units.

So it will be fully playable as a standalone game or expanded with other Indomitus units but you will need to pick up the main rule book if you want to play as Genestealer cult.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
How would you play Kill Team without the base Kill Team rules?

The same way you play any limited scope boxed game; with the cards, scenarios, and rules they give you.

Like GW has done, many, many times before.

Wow. What an absolute ripoff of a starter/expansion...

The terrain kits are, iirc, still a deal at $100 US.

The mechanicus box would be around $200 now if they still listed those pipes?

It was the cross-shaped furnace, the stacks, and two sets of pipes.

 Kalamadea wrote:
No reason to presume, other than that's what GW has explicitly stated, you mean. It comes with a book and specifically says "With models, rules, AND terrain, it’s everything you need to start playing Kill Team."

And with all due respect they have specifically shown that it does not come with dice, tokens and data cards. If this was a starter set then it would have those items.

Thing is they’ve said everything you need to play (even if they mean “play this limited version with just these models”)

So there must be dice.
Otherwise you wouldn’t play even with just those units in the box.
So there could be dice and tokens easily.

I’m guessing there will be dice and tokens so people can play the boxed game. Probably also profiles from Indomitus units, but that’s it. If you want to play any other faction, or older Marine units you will likely need to buy the core rulebook.

I feel like this was a missed opportunity to update Kill Team’s janky rules.

Chopstick wrote:
Expansion, with thin booklet that give profile cost for unit in the box, maybe some stratagem and how to play the game too if they're feeling generous.

Best way to get your hand on the hot new flayed dudes or marine with slightly different bolters is to camp ebay. that way you can avoid overpaying for those cardboard and 48 Necron doors + blocks

On a different thought Necron Doors + blocks look like decent terrain piece for Adeptus titanicus and AI.

You will pay for them though. Reseller will be looking at making profit as well. So he will add up enough price you would be looking to pay same as if you bought whole set and sold marine/necron hjalf you didn't need

Danny76 wrote:
Thing is they’ve said everything you need to play (even if they mean “play this limited version with just these models”)

So there must be dice.
Otherwise you wouldn’t play even with just those units in the box.
So there could be dice and tokens easily.

Well, on this one I would be happy to be wrong because drawing in 40K players who haven't already taken the plunge can only be a good thing for the game. Kill Team was largely ignored last year and it would be very annoying if this disappoints new players by failing to live up to one of its key promises.

Moving forward, they mentioned that there would be another KT article this week so hopefully they will put to rest any assumptions about Pariah Nexus.

It would really be ideal if the Pariah Nexus book was the full Kill Team rules just with different scenarios using the terrain it provides. Some errata and cleaning up the wound damage phase would be great and make the game much more playable too.

That said I think it would be asking for too much.

They did it for Titanicus so it would certainly be a possibility.

For a 40k player who want to take the plunge. Pariah nexus is the worst choice. Get the previous starter with T'au and Marine, buy troops box serparately , all those options were far better than this.

KT is pretty much in a stable state at this point, other than updated data sheets to 9th ed, no expansion was needed for the game, especially boring expansion for the "2d arena game" like this one.

I don't understand the obssession with getting shiny new big box to get into the game, especially when said box have terrible team composition for the Necron, like seriously, who build a necron team with only Flayed one? and you need 10 to at least fill in the minimum 100 pts team with their 8th ed point cost. GW was so helll bent on saving cost they couldn't even give you 5 more flayed one to form a team.

SamusDrake wrote:
They did it for Titanicus so it would certainly be a possibility.

Honestly if they did that and cleaned up the rulebook so that killing a model with ranged fire didn’t take three years and every person I play with didn’t have a different interpretation of how damage and wounds work, I would get back in with this pack. Kill Team is a game I really want to like but the sloppy rule writing really makes it hard for me to have fun with. I love 40k aesthetically and the lore, just wish they could make a decent skirmish game with it.

Chopstick wrote:
For a 40k player who want to take the plunge. Pariah nexus is the worst choice. Get the previous starter with T'au and Marine, buy troops box serparately , all those options were far better than this.

KT is pretty much in a stable state at this point, other than updated data sheets to 9th ed, no expansion was needed for the game, especially boring expansion for the "2d arena game" like this one.

That set is pretty good, and it would be a shame to retire it in favour of Pariah Nexus.

Must admit that I was hoping for only a book with the rules for 9th edition units, only to use the new warriors and assault intercessors from the recruit edition. One thing I liked about Kill Team was that a copy of the core manual and First Strike was all one needed to get started.

SamusDrake wrote:

That set is pretty good, and it would be a shame to retire it in favour of Pariah Nexus.

Reiver is a meh unit, and marine side is at 81-91 points, but at least finding extra marine intercessor at a store was really easy,

They really should have a different version of the set without the terrain to be honest, 48x pieces of necron specific terrain... I know imperial style terrain won't be everyones cup of tea but it's at least a little more generic, or they could have just included really general wall/barricade sections.

Anyway, it's the terrain that is the issue for the price, all opinions and everything but I don't even think the terrain is that good to be honest, it would look awful on a 40k table unless you combine a lot of it to make a bigger terrain piece, which defeats the object of using it for kill team then.

I think a lot of people are use to GW pricing now, but based on the specific plastic in the box, this is a big old swing and a miss price wise. £95 for 60 models is good value really, but like I said above, the specific models in the box (80%) of them are awful and not really of the size of full models anyway. Being generous and saying each one of the terrain pieces is the equivalent of half of a model, it's really £95 for 36 models, and again, 24x (66%) of those models just aren't great.

The command edition of 40k is a much better deal for £10 more, and providing you can get the kill team rules, would serve as a better starter for kill team also. 2 start collecting boxes (old price) and a 20% discount from a 3rd party would be a better start for both also.

Anyway, looks like I'll be waiting for the heavy intercessor and captain kits. With a 20% discount, it would still be £76 and I do very much doubt there will be enough demand for the necrons to get a good reselling price out of them (over the odds) and definitely not the terrain.

I may actually buy the heavy intercessors off eBay myself if they aren't stupid money.


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Just to add to this though... If Eradicators are £31.50 for 3x, how much will the heavy intercessor box actually be? It may actually look like a bargain of a box set for £95 once we know the prices of that kit (Assuming the captain will be the standard £22.50 as well).

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They really should have a different version of the set without the terrain to be honest, 48x pieces of necron specific terrain... I know imperial style terrain won't be everyones cup of tea but it's at least a little more generic, or they could have just included really general wall/barricade sections.

Even calling it "terrain" is a stretch. It's a few doors and some Necron crates/barrels. Doors aren't really the terrain one uses outside of specifics things like that map. Its not like they have any application outside of KT, and even then their use is limited.

Further reduces the "value" of this already-obscenely overpriced box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They really should have a different version of the set without the terrain to be honest, 48x pieces of necron specific terrain... I know imperial style terrain won't be everyones cup of tea but it's at least a little more generic, or they could have just included really general wall/barricade sections.

Even calling it "terrain" is a stretch. It's a few doors and some Necron crates/barrels. Doors aren't really the terrain one uses outside of specifics things like that map. Its not like they have any application outside of KT, and even then their use is limited.

Further reduces the "value" of this already-obscenely overpriced box.

Fully agree.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
They really should have a different version of the set without the terrain to be honest, 48x pieces of necron specific terrain... I know imperial style terrain won't be everyones cup of tea but it's at least a little more generic, or they could have just included really general wall/barricade sections.

Even calling it "terrain" is a stretch. It's a few doors and some Necron crates/barrels. Doors aren't really the terrain one uses outside of specifics things like that map. Its not like they have any application outside of KT, and even then their use is limited.

Further reduces the "value" of this already-obscenely overpriced box.

I also agree, I think they've made a mistake with the contents of this, far too expensive.

I agree also but this is their... fourth?... box of plastic doors (Underhive, Rogue Trader, Catacombs) so they must be selling well.

EDIT: Fifth. Kill Team Arena also.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I agree also but this is their... fourth?... box of plastic doors (Underhive, Rogue Trader, Catacombs) so they must be selling well.

I doubt those things are selling because of the doors, though. That'd be like saying that 40k starters sell well because they come with dice.

Catacombs hasn't sold out, Same for Underhive while it was still available. They retired the Underhive box.

But at least in those boxes you wouldn't get the same similar looking low effort bit. This one took low effort modelling to the next level.

the only purpose of this box is to carry the missing Primaris and Necrons units

of course it is low effort, everything else would be a waste of ressources

Even for me--someone who actually wants every single model in the set (minus necron scatter) and sometimes plays kill team--it's going to be a hard "no" at this price.

Face it, this set exists ONLY as a way to bilk more money from people dying to get their hands on Heavy Intercessors first and foremost.

Maybe some tag-along Necron players, but it's definitely *not* something aimed at KT players.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/16/how-to-avoid-becoming-part-of-a-flayed-ones-favourite-outfit/


Hooray! It's a filler article! With some cool pictures!