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Shrike is a missed opportunity to me... first beakie helm on a primaris and instead of integrating it they stick it on like something they found in the bitz box. Would have preferred it on and have some kind of update to the design to add some wow factor.

Also now I imagine him incessantly flipping his bangs out of his eyes like a suburban 12 year old dudebro and that is not amping his bad-ass factor up for me.

Overall nothing is really clicking for me, everything looks stuck on or really basically converted to me, including the pose, the backpack (jump pack?) and all the rest. Only the lightning claws stick out as spot on for me. YMMV.

I suspect that there will be a lot of conversions with the helmet on...

 insaniak wrote:
I suspect that there will be a lot of conversions with the helmet on...

Have they said whether its an option or not?

 argonak wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I suspect that there will be a lot of conversions with the helmet on...

Have they said whether its an option or not?

Dunno, but if it is, they'll have to have something to fill in the divet that the helmet on his belt no doubt sits in.

Im slightly disappointed in the Warcry announcement. It feels too much like Commanders for Killteam, at least at first glance. I do like the option to hunt giant monsters though, those will no doubt be fun missions, even more so if you're fighting a rival warband while trying to kill a beast.

Otherwise, the releases all look interesting at least. Would have hoped to see more about Psychic Awakening for 40k, sort of an anemic announcement.

 argonak wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
I suspect that there will be a lot of conversions with the helmet on...

Have they said whether its an option or not?

They haven't, but looking at the model it's only attached to his belt by the back edge of the neck rim, so it wouldn't be a difficult job to snip it off and replace his head with it.

 Carnikang wrote:

Dunno, but if it is, they'll have to have something to fill in the divet that the helmet on his belt no doubt sits in.

You'd be surprised. The 'ranged weapons' for all the Warcry warbands are just pieces with a bit that fits over the loops on the belts rather than filling a divot or the like.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Dunno, but if it is, they'll have to have something to fill in the divet that the helmet on his belt no doubt sits in.

You'd be surprised. The 'ranged weapons' for all the Warcry warbands are just pieces with a bit that fits over the loops on the belts rather than filling a divot or the like.

I suppose that's true, my Splintered Fang with the little extra knives are like that.

I would hope they have a helmeted option. NeVer been a fan of uncovered heads in a space game... unless their aliens like Nids.

We already know that he comes with a helmeted option, the only question is whether it takes no effort or a trivial amount of effort to get that helmet on his head.

 insaniak wrote:
They haven't, but looking at the model it's only attached to his belt by the back edge of the neck rim, so it wouldn't be a difficult job to snip it off and replace his head with it.

I demand a straight swap. Beakie helmet goes on his neck. Emo head goes on his belt!

The basic bone infantry is about as tall as a primaris? Or were those the multi limbed and triple headed constructs?

If they're that big maybe I will be able to have a bit more of an elite undead army...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Dunno, but if it is, they'll have to have something to fill in the divet that the helmet on his belt no doubt sits in.

You'd be surprised. The 'ranged weapons' for all the Warcry warbands are just pieces with a bit that fits over the loops on the belts rather than filling a divot or the like.

They aren't "range weapon", they're abilities that deal damage at range. Fighters with range abilities like that may have the said weapon held in their hand. But fighters with actual range weapon always have a distinct model with said weapon held in hand.

 Carnikang wrote:

I suppose that's true, my Splintered Fang with the little extra knives are like that.

The only range weapon Splintered Fang had is whip, spear, and throwing dart for the Caller. They have no range abilities. The knives are cosmetic addon, they do not represent anything.

 Crimson wrote:
We already know that he comes with a helmeted option, the only question is whether it takes no effort or a trivial amount of effort to get that helmet on his head.

GW's been pretty good about putting helmet options on marine characters of late. they're well aware of how some people insist on helmets

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They haven't, but looking at the model it's only attached to his belt by the back edge of the neck rim, so it wouldn't be a difficult job to snip it off and replace his head with it.

I demand a straight swap. Beakie helmet goes on his neck. Emo head goes on his belt!

That would be awesome... If not for his inevitable pricetag, I'd put it on my to-do list.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
They haven't, but looking at the model it's only attached to his belt by the back edge of the neck rim, so it wouldn't be a difficult job to snip it off and replace his head with it.

I demand a straight swap. Beakie helmet goes on his neck. Emo head goes on his belt!

Like Princess Mombi?

Princess Emombi?

The Saruman and Grima look really good - nice sculpts and nice painting!

The AoS bone guys are interesting.

Sisters of Battle look amazing painted up! Must...not buy...them....nnngghghhnnn!!!

Yep. Gotta cut that beakie helmet off the Raven Guard Chapter Master's belt and PUT IT ON, because...

Dunno why people whine about new model. Haircut? Seriously? You guys know most chapters have their own traditional ones? I like how primaris range tries to diversify marines and make them look like actual distinct groups, small loud minority (that curiously enough bleated about primaris being 'too bland' before) complains about them being too different now

That and I also realized what it reminded me of - one of the most iconic SM ever written:



If you guys don't like it that much, I'll gladly take it off you, I have Blood Raven eliminator sergeant waiting for this bit

 Galef wrote:
I do like the redesign of Lightning Claws. Instead of being Powerfists with Knives attached, they look like "proper" retractable Claws

Yeah, old claws looked beyond stupid. Why they incorporated whole power fist shell (but none of the punch) making hands of the marine useless? Yes, even in this model you'd have problems doing a lot of stuff but at least you won't be foiled by a doorbell next to land raider door

 Irbis wrote:
Dunno why people whine about new model.

I think people have been pretty clear why they don't like the miniature. The fact that you immediately resort to saying that they're having a "whine" says a lot more about you than it does the people expressing their misgivings with Shrike.

What I like most about Shrike is that I'll be able to convert him into a smash captain for my Crimson Fists that looks ok along with my other Primaris guys. The emo head can then be discarded.

 Irbis wrote:
I like how primaris range tries to diversify marines and make them look like actual distinct groups, small loud minority (that curiously enough bleated about primaris being 'too bland' before) complains about them being too different now

Funny how many different people saying something is either a sign of near-consensus, or just a "loud minority" when they are saying something you disagree with...
Unless of course you have the customer research data to back up your claims. And that the people complaining about X are the very same people complaining about the opposite of X before. (Although these two complaints are hardly contradictory; one might like a difference, but not this solution to it.)

If you like it, good for you.
If you don't like it, good for you.
Your opinion is not wrong or right. Neither is another person's. It's a bloody opinion. People stating their opinion is kind of what these threads are for. So let's get back to that.

In my opinion, a haircut that covers your fething eyes is not a good look for a soldier, even aside from cultural connotations. As a matter of fact, not wearing a helmet isn't great to begin with. As it happens, both issues can likely be solved in one go. (Not that I'm a fan of the rest either, but no need to repeat myself.)

I'm kind of amused by everyone calling it the emo head.

Guys, people who don't like or listen to music you'd consider 'emo' also have fringes. Oh em gee, right? I've seen popular jocky types with hair like that right down to stoner wasters.

Marine heads with hair that aren't the weird space wolves ones or crappy BA bowl cuts is to be commended. Not everyone's a fan of those ridiculous tiny mohawks (what space marine is really cultivating that? They'd either shave it all or grow it).

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I'm kind of amused by everyone calling it the emo head.

Guys, people who don't like or listen to music you'd consider 'emo' also have fringes.

Yes... But Raven Guard.


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 Irbis wrote:
Dunno why people whine about new model.

Nobody is whining about the model. Learn to accept that different people like different things.


And no, being 'too different' is not the complaint.

Why they incorporated whole power fist shell (but none of the punch) making hands of the marine useless?

Because originally they were powerfists with blades on them. When the rules changed, they left the design more or less the same.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I'm kind of amused by everyone calling it the emo head.

Guys, people who don't like or listen to music you'd consider 'emo' also have fringes. Oh em gee, right? I've seen popular jocky types with hair like that right down to stoner wasters.

Marine heads with hair that aren't the weird space wolves ones or crappy BA bowl cuts is to be commended. Not everyone's a fan of those ridiculous tiny mohawks (what space marine is really cultivating that? They'd either shave it all or grow it).

It's covering one of his eyes. It's growing on me tbh, but lets not pretend the sculptor wasn't having a good laugh when he did it.

JSG wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I'm kind of amused by everyone calling it the emo head.

Guys, people who don't like or listen to music you'd consider 'emo' also have fringes. Oh em gee, right? I've seen popular jocky types with hair like that right down to stoner wasters.

Marine heads with hair that aren't the weird space wolves ones or crappy BA bowl cuts is to be commended. Not everyone's a fan of those ridiculous tiny mohawks (what space marine is really cultivating that? They'd either shave it all or grow it).

It's covering one of his eyes. It's growing on me tbh, but lets not pretend the sculptor wasn't having a good laugh when he did it.

You've never seen a non-emo with a long fringe?

I mean I get that 'cause it's Raven Guard it has that extra connotation, I'm just a bit amused and bemused by the amount of focus this is getting and that it's seen as a negative rather than just a thing that is.

JSG wrote:

It's covering one of his eyes. It's growing on me tbh, but lets not pretend the sculptor wasn't having a good laugh when he did it.

Yup, I think it's hilarious, and I suspect it's intended to be, I the same way that Wolfy McSanta was never supposed to be taken too seriously.



Edit: Just showed Shrike to my wife, and she said 'Awww... It's My Chemical Raven Guard!'

 sockwithaticket wrote:

JSG wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I'm kind of amused by everyone calling it the emo head.

Guys, people who don't like or listen to music you'd consider 'emo' also have fringes. Oh em gee, right? I've seen popular jocky types with hair like that right down to stoner wasters.

Marine heads with hair that aren't the weird space wolves ones or crappy BA bowl cuts is to be commended. Not everyone's a fan of those ridiculous tiny mohawks (what space marine is really cultivating that? They'd either shave it all or grow it).

It's covering one of his eyes. It's growing on me tbh, but lets not pretend the sculptor wasn't having a good laugh when he did it.

You've never seen a non-emo with a long fringe?

I mean I get that 'cause it's Raven Guard it has that extra connotation, I'm just a bit amused and bemused by the amount of focus this is getting and that it's seen as a negative rather than just a thing that is.

Well yeah, It's emo because it's Raven Guard even though they aren't very emo at all and would be more goth anyway... The negativity is because it's a space marine with his fringe covering his eye. This should be pretty self explanatory. oddly enough I might start a Raven Guard force lead by a kitbashed version of this guy. Keeping the head as my problems with it are the pose and base.

JSG wrote:
Well yeah, It's emo because it's Raven Guard even though they aren't very emo at all and would be more goth anyway... .

To the average punter these days, they're one and the same. Which is a sad state of affairs, clearly, but there we are.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
I like how primaris range tries to diversify marines and make them look like actual distinct groups, small loud minority (that curiously enough bleated about primaris being 'too bland' before) complains about them being too different now

Funny how many different people saying something is either a sign of near-consensus, or just a "loud minority" when they are saying something you disagree with...
Unless of course you have the customer research data to back up your claims. And that the people complaining about X are the very same people complaining about the opposite of X before. (Although these two complaints are hardly contradictory; one might like a difference, but not this solution to it.)

If you like it, good for you.
If you don't like it, good for you.
Your opinion is not wrong or right. Neither is another person's. It's a bloody opinion. People stating their opinion is kind of what these threads are for. So let's get back to that.

In my opinion, a haircut that covers your fething eyes is not a good look for a soldier, even aside from cultural connotations. As a matter of fact, not wearing a helmet isn't great to begin with. As it happens, both issues can likely be solved in one go. (Not that I'm a fan of the rest either, but no need to repeat myself.)

Amusingly, that haircut under a helmet is even worse. As once the hair is in the eyes, there's nothing to be done but stop, take the helmet off and fix it. And it'll happen numerous times.

So Shrike sneaking about involves him stopping and fiddling with his helmet repeatedly. And tripping over his spurs and foot guards, trying to stop all his decorations from knocking together and generally being the most incompetent stealth specialist in the entire galaxy.

Hilarious model, but not a good one.

Well said on opinions though.

The haircut sported by a genetically modified supersoldier 38,000 years in a theoretical future where literal demons live in an accessible quantum realm is unrealistic and impractical.

Got it.

 ekwatts wrote:
The haircut sported by a genetically modified supersoldier 38,000 years in a theoretical future where literal demons live in an accessible quantum realm is unrealistic and impractical.

Got it.

This has never been nor will it ever be a compelling argument.

As always, it's the smaller things that we know don't make sense that break SOD in fantastical worlds.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
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You've never seen a non-emo with a long fringe?

I've seen them. But also the haircut has been associated with emo scene first and strongly, so you might as well argue mohawks aren't associated with punk movement. Sure, there's all sorts of people with mohawks, but it's still a pop-culture icon to easily identify the character as "punk". Same with emo fringe.