Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Shadenuat**

Banshees had belly buttons since like their first models created.

Although putting gemstone in Jain Zar's would probably make her stand out and add to that eastern inspiration.

Not surprised though, since most people probably don't even see Banshees on the table, just like most other Aspects.

**BrianDavion**

ImAGeek wrote:
jeff white wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:

Why Night Lords..?

In the late 41st Millennium, Jain Zar hunted the Chaos Space Marine Talos Valcoran, the commander of the 1st Claw of the 10th Company of the Night Lords Traitor Legion, due to a vision by Eldar Seers who foresaw that a prophet of the VIII Legion would unify the Night Lords and lead them against the Ulthwé Eldar in the future, and in so doing kill enough of the Craftworld's population to push it beyond its ability to recover its losses. When Talos' warband of Night Lords laid waste to the Imperial colonists of the world of Tsagualsa in the Eastern Fringe, they were ambushed by Eldar of the Ulthwé Craftworld looking to again kill the Soul Hunter before he could become a threat to their race. In the ensuing battle, nearly every member of Talos' warband was slain and he himself became embroiled in a desperate single combat against the deadly Phoenix Lord who had led the Ulthwé Aspect Warriors. In the ensuing battle, Jain Zar took grievous injuries and Talos sacrificed himself by detonating a grenade, killing the Eldar Exarch and ending her hunt. However, given that Exarchs can be reborn in new bodies[6a] she is unlikely truly dead.

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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Jain_Zar

Sure, but this is part of the Psychic Awakening story, set after that, and it’s Eldar vs Dark Eldar.

it's also highly doubtful that GW is going to turn around and put out a box set based off an old novel

**TheFleshIsWeak**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
It was clearly a mistake that the art was released and they have scrambled to try and rectify the mistake.

The next unit to be previewed will obviously be Drahzar too. Anyone with even a vague interest in releases and rumours will be aware too - I'm sure every 40k 'news' site has kept the artwork and reported the original name. Not to mention it's incredibly obvious from the picture itself.

As to the release of news on PA - I think people are sick and/or bored of the Marine releases now and I don't believe that providing information on both models this week would mean they have nothing to report next week. They could simply move the news quicker.

The frustration is that 2 things are becoming evident - first the 4 units are likely all that Aeldari players can expect and second that GW aren't looking to release this first PA book as quickly as some of us would hope.

Only these models would be ok.

Speak for yourself.

**DarkStarSabre**

Lord Perversor wrote:

The Vect theory may come from the Artwork, despite being labeled Jain Zar vs Drazhar, the new *Drazhar* looks just like a normal klaivex wich is odd and there is a rare looking ravager/raider in the middle everyone is guessing if it's a new model or artistic license.

Considering Vect in the past came in the Dais of destruction (his personal raider) DE are just wishful thinking for his return with rules to the game (like they did with Gotrek in AoS) IMHO.

It's still barking mad. All their talk has revolved heavily around the word 'duellists'. They've shown 2 respective units, artwork and now a special character tied to one of those units. Logic is really missing for a lot of these people.

Vect would never had made sense - the character isn't a duellist. He's certainly not a single character release either. Backgroundwise Vect doesn't even work - you think he's going to get off his Dais for the sake of a duel? When there's already a DE character who literally is rumoured to be a fallen Phoenix Lord, constantly stated to be on par and is a specialist duellist as well whose counterpart unit has already been shown? Barking mad.

Imagine a AoS release...

Where they had a Chaos vs Seraphon set up. And showed us, say, a big unit of Khornate Hound Riding Knights...and revealed Arbaal the Undefeated being brought back...and the counterpart unit was Kroxigor....

And imagine all the Lizardmen players going - WELL THE RELEASE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE LORD KROAK. (And you know, not Nakai the Wanderer, who happens to be a very big Kroxigor special character).

.....

**Shadenuat**

The prophecy does say that Ynnari want to bring Living Muse together with everyone else as well though. So maybe not miniature, but he'll probably play a role in the events.

**Agamemnon2**

Tyranid Horde wrote:
I am hoping this psychic awaking takes a terrible twist for the Ynnari and they aren't the saviours of the Eldar race, but the destruction. I guess I'm wish listing a little bit but it'd be a cool twist.

At this point the Eldar race has so many separate dooms that latecomers will have to take a number and wait for their turn.

**DivineVisitor**

Don't care what anyone says, the model and pose works for me. Looks like she is completing her glaive sweep and winding up to throw her triskele.

**AegisGrimm**

Yeah, it's the classic "jump and throw" heroic pose.

**Imateria**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
It was clearly a mistake that the art was released and they have scrambled to try and rectify the mistake.

The next unit to be previewed will obviously be Drahzar too. Anyone with even a vague interest in releases and rumours will be aware too - I'm sure every 40k 'news' site has kept the artwork and reported the original name. Not to mention it's incredibly obvious from the picture itself.

As to the release of news on PA - I think people are sick and/or bored of the Marine releases now and I don't believe that providing information on both models this week would mean they have nothing to report next week. They could simply move the news quicker.

The frustration is that 2 things are becoming evident - first the 4 units are likely all that Aeldari players can expect and second that GW aren't looking to release this first PA book as quickly as some of us would hope.

Only these models would be ok.

I am afraid that, given the artwork, it'll be an overpriced big box with the two characters, a 5-squad of the new units and a pile of ancient Guardians / Kabalite sprues every Eldar player already owns in abundance bundled in.

I wonder why people think there'll only be 5 of each of the Incubi and Banshees? Unless things have changed considerably they are both units with 0 loadout options except for the Exarch/Klaivex which means a 5 man squad would take up all of a single sprue. Due to the lack of options I expect them to be similar to the Nemartai Thralls box that had 10 models with loads of head options and a few alternate weapons on 2 sprues for £30.

**tneva82**

So you expect unit with no options to be similar to unit with options?

Plus even if it's 10 guys more like 35£ to keep GW trend of upping price of new boxes.

An Actual Englishman wrote:
It was clearly a mistake that the art was released and they have scrambled to try and rectify the mistake.

The next unit to be previewed will obviously be Drahzar too. Anyone with even a vague interest in releases and rumours will be aware too - I'm sure every 40k 'news' site has kept the artwork and reported the original name. Not to mention it's incredibly obvious from the picture itself.

As to the release of news on PA - I think people are sick and/or bored of the Marine releases now and I don't believe that providing information on both models this week would mean they have nothing to report next week. They could simply move the news quicker.

The frustration is that 2 things are becoming evident - first the 4 units are likely all that Aeldari players can expect and second that GW aren't looking to release this first PA book as quickly as some of us would hope.

So, if we count right now:

Week 0: Jain Zar
Week +1: Drahzar
Week +2: Book preview.
Week +3: Preorders
Week +4: Release

That would be my guess on the time table. Probably 2-3 weeks off, maybe even a whole month, then whatever the next "wave" of Psychic Awakening is? I don't recall how long was between the Vigilus stuff, but it's unclear if that would even be a "good" guide.

**the_scotsman**

I'd be very surprised if they did 10-man boxes for the new incubi/banshees. I'm guessing they'll be a 35$ or 40$ box for 5, as opposed to the two-sprue boxes that tend to be 50$.

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tneva82 wrote:
So you expect unit with no options to be similar to unit with options?

Plus even if it's 10 guys more like 35£ to keep GW trend of upping price of new boxes.

it is a unit with no options, but they are units with really big weapons.

I'm guessing 5-man, single sprue, similar setup to abberrants where you get something like 7 different basic weapon poses plus the special sergeant equipment, and the biggest option involves deciding whether to make the fifth guy as a basic squaddie or as the squad leader.

**bullyboy**

Due to the elegance of Eldar designs from way back, I'm glad they did not change her too much, just improved the model. To my eye, Eldar don't need to be redesigned, just converted over from resin to plastic. I also can't wait to see what else she does rules wise. If the Exarch is getting Exarch powers, what can we expect from the Phoenix Lord herself.

As for the pose, if we truly wanted to base it on human movement, she's preparing to throw the triskele...it's the only thing that makes sense due to her rotation and coiling of the transverse plane 'sling" of muscles in the body, She just needed a little flex in the right elbow and extension in the shoulder to really give the weapon a better release

**witchdoctor**

H wrote:

So, if we count right now:

Week 0: Jain Zar
Week +1: Drahzar
Week +2: Book preview.
Week +3: Preorders
Week +4: Release

That would be my guess on the time table. Probably 2-3 weeks off, maybe even a whole month, then whatever the next "wave" of Psychic Awakening is? I don't recall how long was between the Vigilus stuff, but it's unclear if that would even be a "good" guide.

Don't we have two more weeks of previews for the rank and file Banshees and rank and file Incubi?

**terry**

the banshees had their preview

**dan2026**

It doesn't make any sense for me for Vect to even be on the battlefield.
This is the guy who has styled himself 'the living muse' a godlike figure wrapped in dredded mystery.

There is no reason that he would ever expose himself to actual danger, instead of acting via innumerable agents and proxies.

witchdoctor wrote:
Don't we have two more weeks of previews for the rank and file Banshees and rank and file Incubi?

Maybe? I don't know, I don't see why they would do that, but it could be possible. My hypothetical timeline supposes what I'd think is the "quickest" probable-seeming (to me) timeline. Obviously, it could be drawn out as long as they'd like. And I have no idea how long they would like that "drawing out" process to be, nor any idea how to gauge what their thinking would be.

I'd personally think that, if the book is indeed focused on Eldar vs DE, then one week is the minimum for rules preview, although 2 weeks is a more likely frame. So, my guess is 4 weeks is the minimum, 5 or6 weeks is more likely, and it would be 7+ if there are more factions in the Phoenix Rising book. My personal view is that there probably are only Eldar and DE content in this particular book, so I think 5-6 weeks is the "optimistic" timeline, but since we don't know the window they are aiming at, there is nothing to inform us if they want to stay on the slow-and-steady, one preview a week deal, or roll all the rules previews into a week.

**Platuan4th**

dan2026 wrote:
It doesn't make any sense for me for Vect to even be on the battlefield.
This is the guy who has styled himself 'the living muse' a godlike figure wrapped in dredded mystery.

There is no reason that he would ever expose himself to actual danger, instead of acting via innumerable agents and proxies.

It doesn't make sense for ANY Faction leader like Chapter Masters, Guilliman, Dynastic Overlords, Farseers, high level Ethereals, etc. to see the field. They should be in command posts or doing their actual jobs of leading/running their collective faction. But this is 40K and we need Big Damn Hero/Villain moments, so just like Kirk/Picard/insert favorite Star Trek captain here, they leave where they should be.

**dan2026**

Platuan4th wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
It doesn't make any sense for me for Vect to even be on the battlefield.
This is the guy who has styled himself 'the living muse' a godlike figure wrapped in dredded mystery.

There is no reason that he would ever expose himself to actual danger, instead of acting via innumerable agents and proxies.

It doesn't make sense for ANY Faction leader like Chapter Masters, Guilliman, Dynastic Overlords, Farseers, high level Ethereals, etc. to see the field. They should be in command posts or doing their actual jobs of leading/running their collective faction. But this is 40K and we need Big Damn Hero/Villain moments, so just like Kirk/Picard/insert favorite Star Trek captain here, they leave where they should be.

Yeah but Vect has the problem that he is head of the faction that would backstab their granny for a Marsbar.
Gulliman isn't worried about all his top brass sticking a knife in his back.

**Platuan4th**

Your point being? That has no bearing on the fact that these characters have more important things on their plate and should realistically be delegating to lower ranked like actual administrative leadership positions do.

**Tiberius501**

Platuan4th wrote:
Your point being? That has no bearing on the fact that these characters have more important things on their plate and should realistically be delegating to lower ranked like actual administrative leadership positions do.

Does anything make sense in this game? I think it’s cooler to have these sweet models we can use rather than not having them, personally.

**Platuan4th**

Tiberius501 wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
Your point being? That has no bearing on the fact that these characters have more important things on their plate and should realistically be delegating to lower ranked like actual administrative leadership positions do.

Does anything make sense in this game? I think it’s cooler to have these sweet models we can use rather than not having them, personally.

That was my original point, yes.

**Messiah**

Agreed that it makes no sense for vect to have a model.

**Chopstick**

Vect join a battle? Last time he saw some demons in his city and decided to nope out of there. ASAP.

**Voss**

dan2026 wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
It doesn't make any sense for me for Vect to even be on the battlefield.
This is the guy who has styled himself 'the living muse' a godlike figure wrapped in dredded mystery.

There is no reason that he would ever expose himself to actual danger, instead of acting via innumerable agents and proxies.

It doesn't make sense for ANY Faction leader like Chapter Masters, Guilliman, Dynastic Overlords, Farseers, high level Ethereals, etc. to see the field. They should be in command posts or doing their actual jobs of leading/running their collective faction. But this is 40K and we need Big Damn Hero/Villain moments, so just like Kirk/Picard/insert favorite Star Trek captain here, they leave where they should be.

Yeah but Vect has the problem that he is head of the faction that would backstab their granny for a Marsbar.
Gulliman isn't worried about all his top brass sticking a knife in his back.

He... canonically _is_ worried about that. Whether its a revolt, the Ecclesiarchy turning on him for being insufficiently pious (which is actually true), people finding out real history (to the point that he sealed a lot of stuff away), or someone taking off in a direction that he feels will hurt the Imperium and sees him as a barrier, he has a lot of internal strife to deal with.
Not to mention the various governors he's replaced or demoted, who may have sympathetic ears amongst the High Lords, who probably don't appreciate suddenly being second fiddle to the 'Imperial Regent.'

**Shadenuat**

Chopstick wrote:
Vect join a battle? Last time he saw some demons in his city and decided to nope out of there. ASAP.

And after that he returned and proclaimed himself a Living Muse - new DE Codex happened after Fracture of Biel-Tan, btw.

**pm713**

Vect also needs to feed on pain and suffering in staggering amounts so it makes sense for him going on a raid for that at least. Or to have an alibi. Or sending a duplicate. It's not really reasonable to say no to Vect models while we also have Guilliman, Cawl, Yvraine and such.

**Red Corsair**

There is also the fact that he has already had a model. Every faction should get their big overlord to play with.

**dan2026**

Red Corsair wrote:
There is also the fact that he has already had a model. Every faction should get their big overlord to play with.

I wouldn't exactly cry foul if he did get a model but he's really the last faction overlord I could ever see fluff wise on an actual battlefield.
But that's just my opinion.

I would persoanlly prefer it if the Dark Eldar got back all the other characters who got discarded for not having models. Lady Malys, The Decapitator etc.

**Not Online!!!**

dan2026 wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
There is also the fact that he has already had a model. Every faction should get their big overlord to play with.

I wouldn't exactly cry foul if he did get a model but he's really the last faction overlord I could ever see fluff wise on an actual battlefield.
But that's just my opinion.

I would persoanlly prefer it if the Dark Eldar got back all the other characters who got discarded for not having models. Lady Malys, The Decapitator etc.

No, just give them the options back.
Like archon on jetbike.
ETC.
no need for the specials imo, because that above would allready help out massivly alone.