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pm713 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

drbored wrote:

Cronch wrote:
The ultimate problem with tyranids is that they cannot win. As in, if the writers acknowledge their victories, they will also have to acknowledge the fact that they cannot be stopped at that point with conventional means, because every time they win, they essentially regenerate their numbers and grow more troops, while every other faction loses troops, and cannot replace those losses as quickly.

So instead we have the tyranids be punching bags, which robs them, or any xenos, of any menace.

The tyranids are one of the most frustrating plot points of 40k.

Necrons seem unstoppable but there are a finite number of them and they sleep for most of the time.
Orks can be beat, but it's hard to put them down completely.
Chaos cults can be destroyed (or at worst, exterminatus'd)

Tyranids are a never-ending plague that is slowly consuming the entire galaxy one hundred planets at a time. If something drastic doesn't change, then the Tyranids WILL win.

The main thing that I think will keep that from happening is Chaos realizing "Crap, if everything is eaten by the tyranids, then there wont be any more emotions to feed us" and joining the fight against the Tyranids, but that won't happen because Chaos is too busy fighting against everything else and seems content to ignore the Tyranids completely.

I wouldn't say they ignore Tyranids completely. There is that fluff piece about the carnage of a Tyranid attack being bloody enough to open a rift for Khorne Daemons to rush out and be WTF confused. Then the daemons and tyranids threw down in an epic fight. Seriously though, both Necron and Daemons are perfect for fighting Tyranids. No matter what they don't leave any biomass behind.

Demons are pretty bad against Nids as they're weakened massively by the Warp Shadow and they don't get any energy from emotions either.

Which makes necrons even better at fighting nids, as the C'tan don't use the Warp for their powers.
A lot of people called old crons metal nids, because they have similar goals to the nids. To me that's not a bad thing, in fact it was a perfect set up to have a casus belli between Tyranids and necrons.
The tyranids may not get biomass from the necrons, but the C'tan in the old lore wouldn't have liked tyranids poaching their cattle. Think of two apex predators fighting over prey in the same ecoystem; that's what OldCrons and Nids would have been like.

Now though its not that clear cut and a bit wishy washy, imo, with the whole biotransference thing. If the necrons just needed experiments, they could just capture a bunch of specimens and breed them in captivity. In the old fluff you could make the case that the C'tan wanted their food "free range".

I don't know, it just feels like the old necron fluff would have been better suited to a necron / tyranid conflict. The whole Silent King and bio-transference motive doesn't feel right. Maybe I just prefer old horror crons to grumpy old Egyptian crons.

Well if the nids could land on a tomb world they could get a lot of tasty necron metals to eat. I'm interesting in the black templar vs chaos rumor.

pm713 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Mods, please. Pages of OT discussion about Ghazghkull and the Tyranid hivemind - does this have anything to do with Psychic Awakening N&R?

This thread is difficult to read.

No but it's OT discussion or half a week of nothing.

If there's no news, it would be better if there was a week of nothing - until there is news.

This is for news and rumors. General lore discussion is that way ->

 TedNugent wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
Mods, please. Pages of OT discussion about Ghazghkull and the Tyranid hivemind - does this have anything to do with Psychic Awakening N&R?

This thread is difficult to read.

No but it's OT discussion or half a week of nothing.

If there's no news, it would be better if there was a week of nothing - until there is news.

This is for news and rumors. General lore discussion is that way ->

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
It might be hard to find to be fair, but the reason people are talking about Nids, Chaos and Orks is because there are RUMOURS about the next PA books and all are included.

Ted - I'll update OP with the most up to date rumour news to save people having to troll through pages of OT discussion.

Hope that helps.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Ted - I'll update OP with the most up to date rumour news to save people having to troll through pages of OT discussion.

Hope that helps.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start a new thead in the appropriate forum for OT content, rather than repeatedly bump the N&R thread with content that is neither news or rumour?

 xttz wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Ted - I'll update OP with the most up to date rumour news to save people having to troll through pages of OT discussion.

Hope that helps.

Wouldn't it make more sense to start a new thead in the appropriate forum for OT content, rather than repeatedly bump the N&R thread with content that is neither news or rumour?

The RUMOURED contents of the first 4 books aren't rumours or news?

The complaint as I understand it is that people are potentially missing news and rumours for the OT discussion. I've updated the OP to try and help with that.

Feel free to make a discussion in another forum if you like but I guarantee people will continue to post stuff in here because the 'conversation' flows that way after the news from Monday and rumours from the rest of the week. It was/is the same with the thread about Marine supplement rumours.

Feel free not to bump the thread yourself, mind. You could have literally followed your own advice?

So this list https://panjiva.com/Wargames-Factory-Ltd/33258484 was posted by PaniuBraniu over on TGA forums https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=1337 Its mostly AoS stuff, but there is one entry for "Zone Mortalis Floors". With the FW tiles going OOP its hard not to jump to conclusions. And a series of campaign books would be a good place to put any new terrain rules.

nagash42 wrote:
Well if the nids could land on a tomb world they could get a lot of tasty necron metals to eat. I'm interesting in the black templar vs chaos rumor.

Can they eat necrodermis though?
I mean, nids do consume some metals when they eat a planet, but one would think that necrodermis would give them some pretty bad indigestion, due to its special properties. By indigestion I mean "literally tears its way out of the poor nid's stomach"
Even if it doesn't do that, the nids would need some pretty strong acid to digest it. Necrodermis is no joke. They use that stuff to contain c'tan essences.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

nagash42 wrote:
Well if the nids could land on a tomb world they could get a lot of tasty necron metals to eat. I'm interesting in the black templar vs chaos rumor.

Can they eat necrodermis though?
I mean, nids do consume some metals when they eat a planet, but one would think that necrodermis would give them some pretty bad indigestion, due to its special properties. By indigestion I mean "literally tears its way out of the poor nid's stomach"
Even if it doesn't do that, the nids would need some pretty strong acid to digest it. Necrodermis is no joke. They use that stuff to contain c'tan essences.

Also necrodermis might be a heavy metal, some toxic for the nids.
Imagine a swarmfleet with leadpoisoning

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So this list https://panjiva.com/Wargames-Factory-Ltd/33258484 was posted by PaniuBraniu over on TGA forums https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=1337 Its mostly AoS stuff, but there is one entry for "Zone Mortalis Floors". With the FW tiles going OOP its hard not to jump to conclusions. And a series of campaign books would be a good place to put any new terrain rules.

I feel like that's way more likely to be a necromunda release. They are supposed to have a new book/expansion getting announced here soon.

balmong7 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So this list https://panjiva.com/Wargames-Factory-Ltd/33258484 was posted by PaniuBraniu over on TGA forums https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=1337 Its mostly AoS stuff, but there is one entry for "Zone Mortalis Floors". With the FW tiles going OOP its hard not to jump to conclusions. And a series of campaign books would be a good place to put any new terrain rules.

I feel like that's way more likely to be a necromunda release. They are supposed to have a new book/expansion getting announced here soon.

Is there any appreciable difference? Zone Mortalis for Necromunda will still be used for Kill Team and depending on how its done may be incorporated into 40k terrain projects. Just like 40k kits can be used to make Necromunda boards.

The takeaway should be 40k style and 40k scale Zone Mortalis. In plastic.

 Geifer wrote:

Is there any appreciable difference? Zone Mortalis for Necromunda will still be used for Kill Team and depending on how its done may be incorporated into 40k terrain projects. Just like 40k kits can be used to make Necromunda boards.

The takeaway should be 40k style and 40k scale Zone Mortalis. In plastic.

I was commenting specifically on your suggestion that there would be rules for it in the Psychic Awakening books. People will probably use them as terrain pieces but, but I personally don't think they will get rules outside of Necromunda.

Well. Eldars coming in boxed set. No word for individual boxes next week that i saw. Full squad of banshee requires some swaps it seems for a while. Well wasn't surprise

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/06/coming-next-week-aeldari-psychic-awakening-and-more/

Duel army boxed set with new models, 3 vehicles and a 40page booklet.

Hmm...sad to see that the Vyper and Falcon haven't been updated since the 2nd edition. I mean, they still look great, but would have been nice to see an update?

So it sounds like the Ynnari are just getting a reprint of there WD rules, and nothing for the Harlequins? That's a shame considering the Craftworld and Dark Eldar content in the book.

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...sad to see that the Vyper and Falcon haven't been updated since the 2nd edition. I mean, they still look great, but would have been nice to see an update?

agreed, but at the same time I think that there are more pressing models in need of updating. Even if you exclude the legion of finecast aspect warriors and their associated hero leaders there's also the core guardians which are also a very old and very dated looking plastic kit .Viper and Falcon have stood the test of time, design wise at least, really rather well.

Yeah. Modeldesign-wise the Falcon and Vyper are ok.

But bundling them in (along with the Venom, etc.. ) with just 5 Banshees/Incubi is just cruel.

Hell, assuming Banshees/Incubi get decent rules, at least 10 each for a full unit in the box along with the old stuff and the special characters would've been nice (though still a painful buy-in to field a squad of the new shiny).

What a terrible way to present the new kits. Would have been better to just pit the brand new models from each side against each other and give you a full squad of 10 per side. Instead you get to have old kits you probably don't have any need for unless your just starting, and even then it's dictating what your buying too much.

That said I am excited for the book, was the normal book only available in the set though? I refuse to buy a collectors edition, those are such a scam.

 Overread wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...sad to see that the Vyper and Falcon haven't been updated since the 2nd edition. I mean, they still look great, but would have been nice to see an update?

agreed, but at the same time I think that there are more pressing models in need of updating. Even if you exclude the legion of finecast aspect warriors and their associated hero leaders there's also the core guardians which are also a very old and very dated looking plastic kit .Viper and Falcon have stood the test of time, design wise at least, really rather well.

I dare you to build a Weapon platform (the old Vaul's Wrath) and enjoy the deformed feets of guardians there too.

Imho i think the Vyper it's the easiest to upgrade, since it should be the Eldar Rhino/Chimera and they have the basic build with Venoms and Starweavers/Voidweavers.

Would have pulled the trigger in a heartbeat but I have 3 vypers and 2 falcons in boxes, don't need more. Also don't need some of the extras from the dark side. Shame really. Will get the book though.

Happy to hear they are trying to bring the other books up to Marine supplement level of detail and attention.

Shame locking the new Eldar kits into a big box. Will be a good time for those that break these down on Ebay etc.

I am definitely getting the box and keeping the Dark Eldar half. Literally EVERYTHING in it is exactly what I wanted to be getting. Incubi, Scourges, Hellions, Drazhar. Yes please!

"Two mighty armies comprising 25 Citadel miniatures."

Lol.

Is that new terrain with all the broken pillars, flooring etc?

Well my hope is that they actually release those new models from the box set.

Also, I just find the forces being kinda uneven.

On the flip side, it gives me hope that Banshees/Incubi will have rules good enough for people to want to spam the full 30 of them

Goddamit gw, I won't even be able to give Falcon and Vyper for free not to mention to split and sell.

So if there are new Craftworld Attributes, does this mean that the base ones are not getting updated? Iyanden is kinda meh so if it doesn't change I may end up going custom. What Eldar really need though are new relics and warlord traits.

 Red Corsair wrote:
What a terrible way to present the new kits. Would have been better to just pit the brand new models from each side against each other and give you a full squad of 10 per side. Instead you get to have old kits you probably don't have any need for unless your just starting, and even then it's dictating what your buying too much.

That said I am excited for the book, was the normal book only available in the set though? I refuse to buy a collectors edition, those are such a scam.

This kind is pretty normal though. Question was just what old kits there would be. At least not wraiths again


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Sotahullu wrote:
Well my hope is that they actually release those new models from the box set.

Also, I just find the forces being kinda uneven.

Yes they will and uneven isn't uncommon either