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Really underwhelmed with the box I thought was almost going to be an insta buy.

Only 5 banshees??? What are you going to do with 5 banshees?

Not only that but I bet you will have to wait 6 months to buy them separately.

Really should have been 10 banshees, no vyper, the 5 incubi I don't see as big a deal with. But the hellions and venom are.. eh.

Locking them into the big box is certainly frustrating. I didn't need more banshees, but I totally intended to get 10 and Jain Zar. Now, not only does this box not give me a full squad of 10, it's got the Falcon and Vyper that I don't need (got 3 of each already), and loads of DE that I'm not interested in. Damn it.

I think the choice of miniatures in this box set may hurt their sales.

So can we reasonably expect the Bumshees to find a proper release alongside the other Aspects?

I'm most excited about the build-your-own Craftworlds, Kabals, Cults, and Covens. Bodes well for the rumoured book with CSM in it.

I doubt we'll see the 'normal' release alongside anything (except the incubi), if other eldar stuff is redone as part of the next campaign book it will probably release later by a good few months

 bullyboy wrote:
I think the choice of miniatures in this box set may hurt their sales.

It absolutely will. People just want their new miniatures, not old or useless junk.

This is how salesmen hurt the company and ideas of other people and ruin releases. If it was like new miniatures + wave serpent and some raiders/venoms or something, everyone would take it.

And then managers are like: wait, why are aspect warriors not sellin?

Thing is so people claim but in practice these discount boxes sell. You know why? A) it's discount b) not everybody has large eldar armies and those aren't gw's main target anyway. Gw isn't looking at selling odd box or two to old players as main. They look at selling new armies.

How many of these discount boxes haven't sold out? And generally fast...if these would hurt sales don't you think that after many many many years they would have stopped those?

(and really is somebody not going to buy banshees when they come separately because of this? As if)

So far I think the only one that hasn't sold out is Wrath and Rapture - Khorne VS Slaanesh. Which is somewhat odd unless GW made a LOT more than the others because both those armies have rules now for their new models and they cross over both 40K and AoS (which might have meant GW made more boxes tahn normal). They've actually lasted so long that all the models within them are now on individual sale (which is doubly odd as some - such as the skaven Vs Flesheaters are still waiting for their two new models to be individually released).

Otherwise the other slower sale one was Genestealers VS Spacewolves and that vanished once the new Stealer codex came out (if not a bit before? I can't recall exactly).


The real issue isn't the duel box, its how long GW estimates it to last and thus when they prep to release the new content on their own. Even then the duel boxes offer a nice big discount. Heck if you just want one model set chances are you'll get them off ebay for a while for a decently discounted price.

How are people still surprised/upset after like a dozen battle boxes all done to the same tune, Shadowspear being the one exception with all new models? Many of them didn't even have one new unit, just a monopose hero. And they were all massively popular, some made people upset because stock ran out instantly.

Well it is surprising to see people do dumb things repeatedly 12 times. We are learning animals and invented fire and gak.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How are people still surprised/upset after like a dozen battle boxes all done to the same tune, Shadowspear being the one exception with all new models? Many of them didn't even have one new unit, just a monopose hero. And they were all massively popular, some made people upset because stock ran out instantly.

I don't think too many people are bothered by the additional models, but more so on the choice. Wave Serpent? Sure. falcon, not so much. Vyper? Hellions?

I mean, at least Jain and Banshees can embark into Falcon. Drazhar and Incubi can't all go into a Venom lol.

IDK if Drukhari would like a Raider instead of Venom, but for Craftworlds: replace Falcon with WS, and replace Vyper with a squad of Dark Reapers (they would be visually a great contrast to Banshees and Incubi - yeah I guess it's "all plastic kit" which is why no DR). Boom, sales.

But then I don't know anything about sales (except for being salesman myself for a while but whatever), maybe their practice "just works" (Todd Howard song).

Of course they could do the radical thing and alter the rules so that there would be a situation where people actually might want to take a Falcon.

Well, the boxes sell, because you get all the "stuff no one wants" basically for free. If I buy Karanak, 5 Flesh Hounds, the Enrapturess and the 3 Fiends I could have just gotten Wrath and Rapture for extra goodies. Will be the same with this one. 2 Characters and 2 Unit boxes would be 100€ easily (at least 20€ each for the characters and 30€ each for the units.) And the box will be about 125€? Thats a deal. If you don't want some of the stuff either find someone to split the box or sell it on the internet. Easy as that.

I dont have an eldar force atm and after this box set I'll either have 1 or 2? Depending on how I like the ynnari stuff (instinct tells me I won't)

Thats a deal. If you don't want some of the stuff either find someone to split the box or sell it on the internet. Easy as that.

You ever tried to sell some Falcons on the internet? Easy is not the word I would use!

I love that there is a whole box without any marines in it <3, and I love that GW is generalizing the whole “Create your own subfaction” thing!!
Very good development.
I hope Sisters get the “Create your faction” thing too!!

 Shadenuat wrote:
Well it is surprising to see people do dumb things repeatedly 12 times. We are learning animals and invented fire and gak.

Selling out and more profits dump?

Sure i understand. You would want stuff faster. Gw wants more profit. Guess which preference counts more for gw. Yours or theirs?


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 bullyboy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How are people still surprised/upset after like a dozen battle boxes all done to the same tune, Shadowspear being the one exception with all new models? Many of them didn't even have one new unit, just a monopose hero. And they were all massively popular, some made people upset because stock ran out instantly.

I don't think too many people are bothered by the additional models, but more so on the choice. Wave Serpent? Sure. falcon, not so much. Vyper? Hellions?

Which one sells fine as it is? Falcon or wave serpents? Gw has sales number. They know which one they can put without hurting solo sales that much.

Cinderspirit wrote:
Well, the boxes sell, because you get all the "stuff no one wants" basically for free. If I buy Karanak, 5 Flesh Hounds, the Enrapturess and the 3 Fiends I could have just gotten Wrath and Rapture for extra goodies. Will be the same with this one. 2 Characters and 2 Unit boxes would be 100€ easily (at least 20€ each for the characters and 30€ each for the units.) And the box will be about 125€? Thats a deal. If you don't want some of the stuff either find someone to split the box or sell it on the internet. Easy as that.

High probability prices would be 30 -35 euro for banshees and incubi (30 if we are lucky ) and nearly 30 or 32'50 for special characters, add the book and extras and GW surely thinks it's an steal.

I’m more curious/excited for the newest white dwarf. Khorne and Slaanesh on the cover? Curious what comes out of that...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I’m more curious/excited for the newest white dwarf. Khorne and Slaanesh on the cover? Curious what comes out of that...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/04/white-dwarf-preview-octobergw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-4/

 Overread wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Hmm...sad to see that the Vyper and Falcon haven't been updated since the 2nd edition. I mean, they still look great, but would have been nice to see an update?

agreed, but at the same time I think that there are more pressing models in need of updating. Even if you exclude the legion of finecast aspect warriors and their associated hero leaders there's also the core guardians which are also a very old and very dated looking plastic kit .Viper and Falcon have stood the test of time, design wise at least, really rather well.

Indeed, there is only a finite budget for plastic kits... much better for them to devote those resources on things that don't currently have plastic models.

I'll probably buy it as someone who just has the Start Collecting CE, but I can see why people with collections are disappointed.

I might try to convert the Falcon into a WS using some of the spare weapons I have. Maybe the vyper to a venom, but that looks like a more ambitious job.

WS is whole 1" longer than Falcon. Vyper into Venom is easier.

Gotta say, there's nothing encouraging in that box.

The Vyper and Falcon are old and useless (quite poor in game, with aging molds). I don't need either, nor do I need the Jain Zar mini (though that's easy to flip). Five Banshees. If this box had been all-new models or more useful stuff, it would have been a nice pick-up on eBay. Now the Banshees will carry a super premium on eBay instead of being a reasonable purchase. On the plus side we'll see a flood of Falcons if anyone needs them (they're a direct-only model...because that's what you do with staple vehicles for a faction).

However, the book may make normal Eldar more palatable, instead of the "five or six mega-unit that the book is currently. Would love to see Alaitoc nerfed and the other Craftworlds get better options (more fluffy/useful).

So many thoughts about this one...

As a returning Eldar player that is sex in a box and if I could afford the inevitable £100 for it, hell yes! Regretfully, I'm also collecting for AT and AoS so thats a no-go.

On the positive side its given me an idea for a force consisting of banshees, reapers and kabalites. Probably a craftworld that left it later to escape the Eldar downfall and still has some nasty ways about it, the Kabalites representing that. I've already got the Kabalites, and the old Jain Zar model, so for now it might just be a copy of that lovely collectors book for inspiration.

I’m really looking forward to new background

 bullyboy wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How are people still surprised/upset after like a dozen battle boxes all done to the same tune, Shadowspear being the one exception with all new models? Many of them didn't even have one new unit, just a monopose hero. And they were all massively popular, some made people upset because stock ran out instantly.

I don't think too many people are bothered by the additional models, but more so on the choice. Wave Serpent? Sure. falcon, not so much. Vyper? Hellions?

You'd almost think GW was using their as an opportunity to clear out their warehouses of models that aren't selling.

WS/Falcon just should be a dual kit.