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Exarch powers and a third psychic discipline. Cool.

The contents of that Box just look like they're trying to shift plastic kits that don't sell to players who want to buy the new Howling Banshees/ Incubi kits. It's a pretty scummy move from Games Workshop if so.

Darsath wrote:
The contents of that Box just look like they're trying to shift plastic kits that don't sell to players who want to buy the new Howling Banshees/ Incubi kits. It's a pretty scummy move from Games Workshop if so.

I'm seeing it as "Buy the new units and get some Scourges and a Venom for free*."

*and also these other units that you don't want

Darsath wrote:
The contents of that Box just look like they're trying to shift plastic kits that don't sell to players who want to buy the new Howling Banshees/ Incubi kits. It's a pretty scummy move from Games Workshop if so.

Or they're having a setup that will let people who get interested because of the box set get into it quickly...

 slave.entity wrote:
Exarch powers and a third psychic discipline. Cool.

Whilst Dark Eldar get . . .

. . . er . . .

. . . tune in next week for even more Craftworld bonuses!

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 slave.entity wrote:
Exarch powers and a third psychic discipline. Cool.

Whilst Dark Eldar get . . .

. . . er . . .

. . . tune in next week for even more Craftworld bonuses!

New Obsessions for Kabals, Cults and Covens. They'll have to be really good to compete with existing ones (particularly for Cults and Covens), but the idea that the DE are getting nothing is flatly contradicted by the article.

Ynarri might complain though. A magazine reprint! yay.

Darsath wrote:
The contents of that Box just look like they're trying to shift plastic kits that don't sell to players who want to buy the new Howling Banshees/ Incubi kits. It's a pretty scummy move from Games Workshop if so.

Well, and the Venom.

But they've done this with most boxed sets. Execution Force was assassins and some really old chaos kits. Wrath and Rapture was the new daemons finally in plastic, plus existing basics.
Really, it makes perfect sense. To sell a thing, you want a hook, and to pad it with things that don't cost you much. The older kits have already paid their outlay costs, so its really just the cost of the plastic (almost nothing) at this point. The real question is how long it will take for the individual kits to hit the shelves. Going by wrath and ruin, it could be Spring or even Summer.


Personally... I'm not all that enthused by the box or the book. This new galaxy changing story with something for everyone... kicks off with some guy's personal murder quest that doesn't matter to literally anyone else in the galaxy. He hasn't even been worth putting in the codex for years. And additional rules for two factions. So buy your DLC rules upgrade now!

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Whilst Dark Eldar get . . .

To play with plastic troops instead of boiling ranger long rifles in hot water.

The box seems to me like a "Ynarri Starter set!" more than anything. I don't think it's really supposed to attract current Eldar or Dark Eldar players outside of the few new minis.

It would be nice if all boxed sets from now on were like Shadowspear in that they have only new models/sculpts but realistically I think we all know that isn't going to happen.

The reasons GW have chosen to put these specific units in the box are kinda obvious to me too.

The rules are the most interesting thing to me, I hope there will be new stratagems and relics though, without them I don't see how they can expect to raise any faction up to the nu-Marine level.

Complete fan theory:

Drazhar is NOT arha. He is his disciple - therefore fraternal enemy of karandras.

Drazhar is on a quest to prove to his master that he is worthy of whatever dark mantle arha carries.

I would LOVE for a daemon Prince style arha to be hiding in the wings to reveal himself

There is supposedly some Slaanesh thing sent to hunt Yvraine.

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

 slave.entity wrote:
Exarch powers and a third psychic discipline. Cool.

Whilst Dark Eldar get . . .

. . . er . . .

. . . tune in next week for even more Craftworld bonuses!

To be fair they are getting rules x 3 for army construction. I am sure the lists will each be a bit shorter but come on dude.

If they did a fire prism/wave serpent instead I would not blink for a second and pick one of these up as I need a 3rd one to compelet the set.. The tax in the form of useless models I will need to re-sell to get the new plastic banshees and jain zar is horrendous... I said Id be getting new banshees and jain zar but this... I don't know if I want to pull this trigger.

Maybe I'll stick to metal banshees on ebay for now guess GW don't want my money after all.

 Argive wrote:
If they did a fire prism/wave serpent instead I would not blink for a second and pick one of these up as I need a 3rd one to compelet the set.. The tax in the form of useless models I will need to re-sell to get the new plastic banshees and jain zar is horrendous... I said Id be getting new banshees and jain zar but this... I don't know if I want to pull this trigger.

Maybe I'll stick to metal banshees on ebay for now guess GW don't want my money after all.

If you want a laugh head over the the sisters release thread, where some of them have the balls to complain about an entire box of nothing but new plastics all dedicated to one faction

Apparently GW should have worried about what force org slot or how many points were in the kit. It's double funny for me as a GSC player, where nearly every unit costs WAY more in dollars then points

A very basic change would be turning the Falcon into a transport option.

It's basically the razorback to the serpent's rhino.

And in epic you whose whether to put a unit in two falcons or one wave serpent

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I love that there is a whole box without any marines in it <3, and I love that GW is generalizing the whole “Create your own subfaction” thing!!
Very good development.
I hope Sisters get the “Create your faction” thing too!!

Where was that subfaction thing?

Voss wrote:

New Obsessions for Kabals, Cults and Covens. They'll have to be really good to compete with existing ones (particularly for Cults and Covens), but the idea that the DE are getting nothing is flatly contradicted by the article.

My point is that both Craftwords and DE are getting subfaction rules. However, Craftwords then get both an extra psychic discipline *and* a whole table of powers for every one of their exarchs on top of that.

Whilst DE apparently get their subfaction traits and nothing else.

 Red Corsair wrote:

To be fair they are getting rules x 3 for army construction. I am sure the lists will each be a bit shorter but come on dude.

Oh whoopee. Thank goodness my once-whole army was split into 4 subfactions with 0 synergy between them.

Shall I break out a glass and celebrate the fact that Kabal still only has 1 HQ option that isn't a special character?

It would be a great idea if they did smaller sets to accompany these large boxes. Just the "Lords", the banshees and incubi would go a long way. Obviously the book as well.

I mean it was obvious. But still.

Pretty annoying in the whole context of this.

Wait 20 years (only 8 in my case.. but still) for one kit to be made plastic at long last and you still have to wait an indefinite amount of time, or buy a box full of junk.

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is so people claim but in practice these discount boxes sell. You know why? A) it's discount b) not everybody has large eldar armies and those aren't gw's main target anyway. Gw isn't looking at selling odd box or two to old players as main. They look at selling new armies.

How many of these discount boxes haven't sold out? And generally fast...if these would hurt sales don't you think that after many many many years they would have stopped those?

(and really is somebody not going to buy banshees when they come separately because of this? As if)

Wake the dead took a long time to sell out..... so of course we know this means no one likes/has intreast in Eldar and not even a boxed set with Marines can save them! ... just kidding! what I really meant was that it was a terriable deal, nothing new for eldar, and the Marine end of things was a poor deal compared to the starter sets out there

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:

Voss wrote:

New Obsessions for Kabals, Cults and Covens. They'll have to be really good to compete with existing ones (particularly for Cults and Covens), but the idea that the DE are getting nothing is flatly contradicted by the article.

My point is that both Craftwords and DE are getting subfaction rules. However, Craftwords then get both an extra psychic discipline *and* a whole table of powers for every one of their exarchs on top of that.

Whilst DE apparently get their subfaction traits and nothing else.

 Red Corsair wrote:

To be fair they are getting rules x 3 for army construction. I am sure the lists will each be a bit shorter but come on dude.

Oh whoopee. Thank goodness my once-whole army was split into 4 subfactions with 0 synergy between them.

Shall I break out a glass and celebrate the fact that Kabal still only has 1 HQ option that isn't a special character?

Nobody is asking you to celebrate anything, just to stop misrepresenting the facts so you can complain about getting new stuff.

Jacob29 wrote:


I mean it was obvious. But still.

Not unexpected but still a predatory practice which I wish I could punish by at least downvoting their replies by minus ten thousand angry faces. Wouldn't be so annoying if box at least packed full 10 unit squads of new models.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Where was that subfaction thing?

In the Warhammer Community article, both text and video.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/06/coming-next-week-aeldari-psychic-awakening-and-more/

“new customisable Craftworld Attributes that work like the Successor Tactics in Codex: Space Marines! You’ll also find rules for Drukhari Obsessions (specifically for the Kabals, Wych Cults and Haemonculus Covens)”

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Whilst DE apparently get their subfaction traits and nothing else.

Well, also Drazar and new Incubi rules if I understood correctly.

BrianDavion wrote:

Wake the dead took a long time to sell out..... so of course we know this means no one likes/has intreast in Eldar and not even a boxed set with Marines can save them! ... just kidding! what I really meant was that it was a terriable deal, nothing new for eldar, and the Marine end of things was a poor deal compared to the starter sets out there

The Wraithseer was new.

The reason it didn't work was that it didn't offer anything new or unique for either faction. It gave you Wraithguard, a vehicle, and a Wraithseer for the Eldar...which so does the Start Collecting set.
Marines gave you Reivers(instead of the Aggressors that Tooth & Claw gave), Inceptors(instead of the Redemptor Dreadnought), Intercessors, and a very "meh" Lieutenant sculpt/loadout.

I think another concern I have is that we're getting a "quasi...mini....codex" in the book. Updates to the new models, etc. This kills the likelihood that we'll get a proper normal Craftworld codex anytime soon (if ever). That makes me sad for proper Eldar players.

As a person who has played Eldar as a primary army for 25 years I don't give a flying feth about Dark Eldar, or Ynnari. I'm not going to convert to a "new" Eldar faction. I've no desire to ally with anything beyond maybe the occasional Harlequin troupe if the story permits. While I'm more or less done playing 40K, I am saddened for the Eldar grognards and die-hards if this means there won't be a proper replacement for their book going forward.

Model-wise, I do suspect the Aspects may get plastics one per campaign (It seems GW is likely going to continue with campaigns, once or twice a year maybe). The Eldar model range will be even more bizarre if they half-ass the release of Aspect Warriors. If it takes three or four more years to get them all, it'll be an extremely poor showing on GW's part.

 Elbows wrote:
I think another concern I have is that we're getting a "quasi...mini....codex" in the book. Updates to the new models, etc. This kills the likelihood that we'll get a proper normal Craftworld codex anytime soon (if ever). That makes me sad for proper Eldar players.

It literally does none of that.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Where was that subfaction thing?

In the Warhammer Community article, both text and video.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/06/coming-next-week-aeldari-psychic-awakening-and-more/

“new customisable Craftworld Attributes that work like the Successor Tactics in Codex: Space Marines! You’ll also find rules for Drukhari Obsessions (specifically for the Kabals, Wych Cults and Haemonculus Covens)”

 TheFleshIsWeak wrote:
Whilst DE apparently get their subfaction traits and nothing else.

Well, also Drazar and new Incubi rules if I understood correctly.

Sorry If I'm stating the obvious but I believe that was referring to the campaign book "phoenix rising" with is 80 pages, and the first for the campaign books released for PA and covers new missions plus build your own craftworld rules..

I don't think you get any of that rules in the box.
The book you get in the box set called "blood of the phoenix" is 40 pages with "some of the rules" and is called blood of the phoenix.

Will the phoenix rising book have all of the rules from blood of the phoenix ?
Will you need both the box booklet and the new campaign book to have all the new rules?

My money is on who the hell knows... its GW we are talking here. They tell you nothing.

Blood of the Phoenix is lore if I understand it correctly; Phoenix Rising is rules.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Wake the dead took a long time to sell out..... so of course we know this means no one likes/has intreast in Eldar and not even a boxed set with Marines can save them! ... just kidding! what I really meant was that it was a terriable deal, nothing new for eldar, and the Marine end of things was a poor deal compared to the starter sets out there

The Wraithseer was new.

The reason it didn't work was that it didn't offer anything new or unique for either faction. It gave you Wraithguard, a vehicle, and a Wraithseer for the Eldar...which so does the Start Collecting set.
Marines gave you Reivers(instead of the Aggressors that Tooth & Claw gave), Inceptors(instead of the Redemptor Dreadnought), Intercessors, and a very "meh" Lieutenant sculpt/loadout.

Wake the dead set, was very good value for money as a new Eldar player for me at the time. 3rd party 20% off was a sweet deal. Re-selling the marine part people were happy to buy means cost me next to nothing. Very happy with that life choice and the wave serpent!

The problem with this box is, I don't feel confident I will be able to re-sell the DE half like at all..


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 Shadenuat wrote:
Blood of the Phoenix is lore if I understand it correctly; Phoenix Rising is rules.

"In addition to the miniatures, Blood of the Phoenix includes a 40-page campaign book telling the tale of the ancient grudge between those who fled the Fall aboard the space-faring Craftworlds and those who arrogantly continued the dark practices that first damned their race.
The action then follows Drazhar’s quest to cement his place in legend by slaying a Phoenix Lord in combat, and you can refight each stage of his bloodthirsty journey with three Echoes of War missions that are inspired by the narrative. Finally, the book features all of the datasheets for the models in the battlebox – including the awesome new rules for Jain Zar and Drazhar, both of whom are now utterly terrifying!"

But will this information be it?
Will the phoenix rising contain new data sheets/rules?

who knows lol.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
I think another concern I have is that we're getting a "quasi...mini....codex" in the book. Updates to the new models, etc. This kills the likelihood that we'll get a proper normal Craftworld codex anytime soon (if ever). That makes me sad for proper Eldar players.

It literally does none of that.

Yes it does.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Wake the dead took a long time to sell out..... so of course we know this means no one likes/has intreast in Eldar and not even a boxed set with Marines can save them! ... just kidding! what I really meant was that it was a terriable deal, nothing new for eldar, and the Marine end of things was a poor deal compared to the starter sets out there

The Wraithseer was new.

The reason it didn't work was that it didn't offer anything new or unique for either faction. It gave you Wraithguard, a vehicle, and a Wraithseer for the Eldar...which so does the Start Collecting set.
Marines gave you Reivers(instead of the Aggressors that Tooth & Claw gave), Inceptors(instead of the Redemptor Dreadnought), Intercessors, and a very "meh" Lieutenant sculpt/loadout.

ohh I agree, heck I was in the market for a marine box set at the time it came out to pad out my army a bit.. I bought Know no fear instead.