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 Imateria wrote:
So far Kabals are defintiely looking like they are getting a bit shafted here, I've seen nothing that would make me reconsider playing Flayed Skull.

Potentially some very interesting combos for Coven and Cults, though I'm not sure any of the Coven combo's would be good enough to replace Prophets of Flesh.

I've got a bunch of Hellions and Reavers in my cult, and Slashing Entrance and Test of Skill is looking pretty sexy to me. Might finally make my Hellions and Reavers good at taking down monsters in fun swarms, and give me a little more bite against vehicles.

I just wish there was a way to give even one point of AP to a hellglaive... Those things are so frustrating to try and use their Damage 2 stat.

the_scotsman wrote:
Custom Wych Cult Traits:

Slashing Impact: A model with this obsession finishing a charge move within 1" of enemy infantry, biker or monster models rolls a D6. On a 5+, it causes a mortal wound.

Models? That right? Sounds strong AF if you can get massive squads of Wyches dishing out MW on a 5+. There may still be hope yet.

Within "1 means from massive squad only first row rolls?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
So far Kabals are defintiely looking like they are getting a bit shafted here, I've seen nothing that would make me reconsider playing Flayed Skull.

Potentially some very interesting combos for Coven and Cults, though I'm not sure any of the Coven combo's would be good enough to replace Prophets of Flesh.

I've got a bunch of Hellions and Reavers in my cult, and Slashing Entrance and Test of Skill is looking pretty sexy to me. Might finally make my Hellions and Reavers good at taking down monsters in fun swarms, and give me a little more bite against vehicles.

I just wish there was a way to give even one point of AP to a hellglaive... Those things are so frustrating to try and use their Damage 2 stat.

Unfortunately that strat doesn't work against Vehicles, specifically says Infantry, Bikes and Monsters. I'd still use it with the +1 to wound ability so Reavers with Heat Lances might do a little work and be relatively inexpensive.

They metioned a trait in the WarCom article called Precise Killers/Hunters which gives out AP boosts, so that might be very useful for Hellions.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Custom Wych Cult Traits:

Slashing Impact: A model with this obsession finishing a charge move within 1" of enemy infantry, biker or monster models rolls a D6. On a 5+, it causes a mortal wound.

Models? That right? Sounds strong AF if you can get massive squads of Wyches dishing out MW on a 5+. There may still be hope yet.

Yeah, models. But only those models that are within 1". But, indeed - pretty strong.

Worth noting that for Hellions and Reavers, they already have a potent combo with the Cult of the Red Grief (Advance and still Charge) and the Slashing Flyby stratagem (When a unit with Fly advances you can select one enemy unit they moved over and roll a die to cause a MW on a 5+ for each model in the unit)

But that's only one unit, and costs CP, and pushes you towards running hellions and reavers as big units instead of small units which you don't wanna do.

Slashing Impact+Test of Skill look really really really good.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Within "1 means from massive squad only first row rolls?

It's going to mostly depend on how high you roll and how many models get close, I think there are going to be better options for Wyches.

 Shadenuat wrote:
Within "1 means from massive squad only first row rolls?

you can put them in a tight zig-zag pattern to get some extra models in i think?

I think it has legs, MW damage is tasty.

At least the traits look fluffy, mind. I hope there's a lot of stratagems for the factions too.

 Imateria wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
Within "1 means from massive squad only first row rolls?

It's going to mostly depend on how high you roll and how many models get close, I think there are going to be better options for Wyches.

Comparing to Cursed Blade I like this a lot better tbh.

Sure, CB lets me run 20-wych blobs and that is good, and for my non-special weapon wyches CB has the same effect as Test of Skill vs big vehicles.

But test of skill also affects my freaking planes y'all - disintegrators on a Razorwing shredding marines on 2s and vehicles on 4s, yes please!

10 CB wyches with 1 net deal 4.1 wounds vs MEQ on the charge. 10 identical slashing impact wyches deal 6.1. Slashing Impact+AP on 6 to wound wyches deal 6.8 (but I doubt it's worth giving up test of skill given how much wyches struggle against big targets.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/11/kickstarting-your-ynnari-collectiongw-homepage-post-3/

...If they really are all for players adopting Ynnari then how about a Start Collecting box and a codex? A Ynnari Kill Team faction box would be spanking too.

SamusDrake wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/11/kickstarting-your-ynnari-collectiongw-homepage-post-3/

...If they really are all for players adopting Ynnari then how about a Start Collecting box and a codex? A Ynnari Kill Team faction box would be spanking too.

That article is preposterous... yeah spend 4 cp and a psychic powr to have that squad of 5 banshees we give you do something...? Duno how you gwtting that 4 cp in the first place a you cant build any detatchements from the box set..

Also you cant actualy be ynnari or use one of the strats unless you buy the triumvarate of ynnead to have one o the characters? Am i missing something obvious? I dont do ynari or DE but you defo cant make a cp gwnerating detatchement from the cwe part of the box.

Ive seen their cheesy marketing and sort of eye rolled before... but this is just plain misrepresentative what you can do with the box and phoenix rising as sold.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
So far Kabals are defintiely looking like they are getting a bit shafted here, I've seen nothing that would make me reconsider playing Flayed Skull.

Potentially some very interesting combos for Coven and Cults, though I'm not sure any of the Coven combo's would be good enough to replace Prophets of Flesh.

I've got a bunch of Hellions and Reavers in my cult, and Slashing Entrance and Test of Skill is looking pretty sexy to me. Might finally make my Hellions and Reavers good at taking down monsters in fun swarms, and give me a little more bite against vehicles.

I just wish there was a way to give even one point of AP to a hellglaive... Those things are so frustrating to try and use their Damage 2 stat.

Hellions leaving combat and doing eviscerating flyby and then impact hits over and over sounds really thematic and devastating despite being on t3 1w 5+ save models

Edit: I always forget about the advance part of that strat, really should have been just move to help hellions a bit.


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 Imateria wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
So far Kabals are defintiely looking like they are getting a bit shafted here, I've seen nothing that would make me reconsider playing Flayed Skull.

Potentially some very interesting combos for Coven and Cults, though I'm not sure any of the Coven combo's would be good enough to replace Prophets of Flesh.

I've got a bunch of Hellions and Reavers in my cult, and Slashing Entrance and Test of Skill is looking pretty sexy to me. Might finally make my Hellions and Reavers good at taking down monsters in fun swarms, and give me a little more bite against vehicles.

I just wish there was a way to give even one point of AP to a hellglaive... Those things are so frustrating to try and use their Damage 2 stat.

Unfortunately that strat doesn't work against Vehicles, specifically says Infantry, Bikes and Monsters. I'd still use it with the +1 to wound ability so Reavers with Heat Lances might do a little work and be relatively inexpensive.

They metioned a trait in the WarCom article called Precise Killers/Hunters which gives out AP boosts, so that might be very useful for Hellions.

Doesn't the coven trait do the exact same thing only without that restriction I guess they figured they hit harder normally and are slower Which is probably fair.

I have a little more faith after watching a bit of the FLG Signals - they mention that some of the new Exarch powers give their Aspect Warriors a new lease of life. They also mention that the meta will be shifting from now onward and won't have time to settle, there may be hope yet for something other than Marines vs Marines.

There's some choices,

https://imgur.com/a/k1m4t8i#1RdWIfH

but my question is: where's the damage?
Scorps, Banshees, Spiders need more shots/attacks, not quirky stuff.

I'm pretty sure that the entire box could run in an appropriately pointed narrative based game.

they didnt say anything about the contents being set up specifically for tournament/competitive. it is a good start for a new collector.

Hmm someone saw that there is coven that is -1 to damage ?
Can some units use it and be better with it ?

 Shadenuat wrote:
There's some choices,

https://imgur.com/a/k1m4t8i#1RdWIfH

but my question is: where's the damage?
Scorps, Banshees, Spiders need more shots/attacks, not quirky stuff.

Link doesnt work.. maybe because im in a hotel in turkey with crappy internet lol

It's on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/dgj2t8/rules_shown_at_today_phoenix_rising_rule_stream/

well shinning spears can get 3++ and with protect they can go to 2++ on ranged attacks.

No they can't.

Marin wrote:
well shinning spears can get 3++ and with protect they can go to 2++ on ranged attacks.

Only on the exarch. I don't think it applies to the entire unit.

 Argive wrote:

 Shadenuat wrote:
There's some choices,

https://imgur.com/a/k1m4t8i#1RdWIfH

but my question is: where's the damage?
Scorps, Banshees, Spiders need more shots/attacks, not quirky stuff.

Link doesnt work.. maybe because im in a hotel in turkey with crappy internet lol

I posted the drukhari stuff earlier.

Craft world stuff:

-Master Crafters. Reroll 1 hit and wound roll Ala Slamalamers.

-Children of Fate: treat all 1s rolled for psychic tests as 2s.

-Children of morag-hei: Some bonus if half or more models in a unit have been destroyed. It's long and blurry sorry.


-Children of Kaine: aspects deal 2 damage on a roll of 6 to wound.

-Something grace: 6++ invulnerable for all your stuff.

-Speedy lads: models with Fly add 2 to their move when they advance. Aka, "the Kabal trait, but bad."

-The Fnord Bjearers: Reroll morale

-Spicy Shootmans: ap-1 shuriken trait we saw earlier.

Also, triskeles are back, nice! Mirror swords sadly are still made of butts. Cmon at least give them a bonus attack.

Dear lord mirror swords are awful lol. Maybe shes cheaper then a normal banshee with them

A 3++ for wielding Mirrorswords would be nice. But that's a wish.

 Shadenuat wrote:
A 3++ for wielding Mirrorswords would be nice. But that's a wish.

We haven't seen all the Aspect powers yet so maybe there is yet a Mirrorswords one.

So far for Banshees we have the Executioner one, Piercing Strike, and we have a defensive one, Graceful Avoidance (5+++ in the Fight phase).

 Burnage wrote:

 silverstu wrote:

 Burnage wrote:

 silverstu wrote:
If I was still big into Eldar I'd buy this box and keep everything - the DE models I don't have many of and a spare falcon/vyper isn't the worst to have lying around. But Tyranids are my main thing so I'll pass and pick up a kit or two when they are available separately. I they do a Tyranid vs Blood Angels box I'll buy the box and sell the Angels- the eldar box looks better from that point of view as a broad "eldar fan" could keep both sides and elements at least could fit into a combined Ynnari force. [Basically I would like to expand my eldar but I don't want to drop that much on a big set- I would for my Tyranids- but I don't think its a bad box -these things always have older kits them.]

Ehhh. Death Masque wasn't that long ago, and that was all new kits (and also a functional army by itself). Comparing it to Blood of the Phoenix just makes it look like an even more incredible deal than it did at the time.

Guardians and the wave serpent weren't new kits and the wraithguard kit was newish but not exclusive the set. But yes that was a brilliant and much better set- you still had to shift the marine side though. Blood of the Phoenix is an alright set but not an "OMG I must get this " set- I could see why people would still want it especially if they collect both eldar factions and are collectors rather than serious gamers as its a good of models on discount. But I think that is the point- the box isn't for everyone and will be a limited release - probably a strategy to offset their production limitations?

You're thinking of Wake the Dead. Death Masque was Harlequins versus Deathwatch, and on the Eldar side alone you had one special character (Eldrad), two units of six Players, another character (the Death Jester), two bikes around the same size as Vypers (Skyweavers) and a transport vehicle (Starweaver).

Already that's looking more impressive than Blood of the Phoenix, and that's before you take into account a) those were all new plastic models, and b) Death Masque was £95 instead of £140. It's a bad sign that this is so weak in comparison to both other recent Aeldari box sets.

Whoops- so I was - shows how much I have been paying attention! There have seems to have been a lot of eldar boxes... but yes definitely much better value if you happen to like harlequins and Deathwatch.
I was expecting Blood of the phoenix to be a similar price- it still has some value but not enough to tempt me at all.

Up on NZ site:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Blood-Of-The-Phoenix-EN-2019

NZ pricing £240 ho ho ho....

Table of contents for 'Phoenix Rising':

I see "points values". The hope is nigh.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I see "points values". The hope is nigh.

I don't see any stratagems though.