Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Crimson**

If the Chosen get two wounds I will promise to finally start a Chaos army. I want to use those cool looking new CSM models without them feeling like total wimps on the tabletop.

**Alpharius**

I’d like for there to be a real reason to use CSM rules for Alpha Legion and not just make them ‘counts as’ Ultramarines - as funny as that actually is at times...

**Not Online!!!**

Crimson wrote:
If the Chosen get two wounds I will promise to finally start a Chaos army. I want to use those cool looking new CSM models without them feeling like total wimps on the tabletop.

You would still not really field them considering that , well , you get better Primaris for the pricepoint and no Doctrines, etc.

Otoh, Chosen having 2 W is well, i mean they are less of a glasscannon but still brittle as hell.

**Mmmpi**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Cronch wrote:
But that was always the case with Chaos, from WFB through 40k to Age of Sigmar?

No. Chaos warriors in WFB were really a whole level above normal human troops, and even the mere marauders were stronger than empire swordsmen. Chaos was a huge power boost, at the cost of your soul. Liked it much better that way.

Stat wise marauders were the same str. But their options and rules were more openly rewarding of an aggressive play style.

Chaos warriors were definitely beefier though.

**Crimson**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Crimson wrote:
If the Chosen get two wounds I will promise to finally start a Chaos army. I want to use those cool looking new CSM models without them feeling like total wimps on the tabletop.

You would still not really field them considering that , well , you get better Primaris for the pricepoint and no Doctrines, etc.

Otoh, Chosen having 2 W is well, i mean they are less of a glasscannon but still brittle as hell.

It is really not about being good in the game, it is about not being wimpy. I want them to have a good statline even though they were overcosted. And I wouldn't be having plenty of them, they would represent the few marines in a force of cultists and other weirdness.

**Marshal Loss**

You blokes sure know how to go on a tangent

While the rest of the Imperium was beset by ever-growing threats following the opening of the Great Rift, the sanctified Talledus System was considered a safe zone under the protection of the Ecclesiarchy, and by extension, the Emperor himself. The shrine world Benediction stood as a gleaming, golden monument to the Emperor’s might.

Perhaps this semblance of peace is ultimately what attracted the Ruinous Powers to it. The psychic trauma wrought by the Cicatrix Maledictum gave rise to increasingly bizarre and terrifying phenomena.

Just as fringe cults began to reveal themselves as servants of the Dark Gods, an armada of six Legions of the Heretic Astartes, directed by Kor Phaeron of the Word Bearers, arrived to destroy Talledus once and for all, and deny the notion that anywhere might be safe from Chaos.

The Sisters of Battle and Astra Militarum – bolstered by a massive strike force of Adeptus Astartes led by the Black Templars – stand firm in their creed to defend Humanity, at any cost…

If Kor Phaeron appears on-screen and is not simply directing the fleet form Sicarus, this will be his first ever actual appearance in non-Heresy lore

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Marshal Loss wrote:
You blokes sure know how to go on a tangent

While the rest of the Imperium was beset by ever-growing threats following the opening of the Great Rift, the sanctified Talledus System was considered a safe zone under the protection of the Ecclesiarchy, and by extension, the Emperor himself. The shrine world Benediction stood as a gleaming, golden monument to the Emperor’s might.

Perhaps this semblance of peace is ultimately what attracted the Ruinous Powers to it. The psychic trauma wrought by the Cicatrix Maledictum gave rise to increasingly bizarre and terrifying phenomena.

Just as fringe cults began to reveal themselves as servants of the Dark Gods, an armada of six Legions of the Heretic Astartes, directed by Kor Phaeron of the Word Bearers, arrived to destroy Talledus once and for all, and deny the notion that anywhere might be safe from Chaos.

The Sisters of Battle and Astra Militarum – bolstered by a massive strike force of Adeptus Astartes led by the Black Templars – stand firm in their creed to defend Humanity, at any cost…

If Kor Phaeron appears on-screen and is not simply directing the fleet form Sicarus, this will be his first ever actual appearance in non-Heresy lore

Drastically veering off topic to argue about nonsense is the charm of this forum...

Would be very interesting to see some narrative with Kor Phaeron directly portrayed. Though, as ever, I'd prefer Erebus by far.

**Redemption**

Preview of the Faith and Fury book is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/11/faith-fury-a-first-lookgw-homepage-post-3/

Contents:

**Marshal Loss**

New daemon weapons! Yippee!

**Kdash**

So, this points to the previous belief that Chaos won't be getting any points changes.

It does, however, remain to be seen what the "Champions of Ruin" section is all about, and whether it affects CSM in a similar way to "successors". Might just be a fluff introduction though.

**Redemption**

Kdash wrote:
So, this points to the previous belief that Chaos won't be getting any points changes.

Not in this book no, that would be something for Chapter Approved 2019.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Marshal Loss wrote:
New daemon weapons! Yippee!

That's new for 8th ed, isn't it? I don't think Daemon weapons were in the game since 5th ed?
I could be wrong though, I don't have every codex on hand.
The Zaal looks scary. You have a 1/6 chance of doing nothing, but a 5/6 chance of getting anywhere from S6-S10 (assuming the wielder is S4), depending on what you roll. Coupled with D2 and AP-5, one can do some damage...provided the owning model has plenty of attacks and a decent WS, and the target has a crappy invul that is.

**Galef**

Kdash wrote:
So, this points to the previous belief that Chaos won't be getting any points changes.

It does, however, remain to be seen what the "Champions of Ruin" section is all about, and whether it affects CSM in a similar way to "successors". Might just be a fluff introduction though.

And likewise, there are no Datasheets listed for Chaos. So the rumour that Noise Marines, Berzerkers, Plague Marines and Rubics are getting 2Ws is either:
A) not happening at all
B) not happening until the next Chapter Approved (propably with other points changes) or
C) will be included in the "Champions of Ruin" section (fingers crossed)

-

**Kdash**

Redemption wrote:
Kdash wrote:
So, this points to the previous belief that Chaos won't be getting any points changes.

Not in this book no, that would be something for Chapter Approved 2019.

100% agree. But, sometimes the point needs to be said here in order for it to sink in.

That Daemon Weapon power sword looks very very nasty.

**Mr Morden**

Lot of filler there - how many pages of name generation...... whilst the lore takes up a mere 20....

Are Masters of the Chapter etc not in the main Codex? oh read the article and yeah they didn;t bother to put them in there.

**the_scotsman**

Eldar PA book had what, 20 pages of rules total? Most of which were a full copy-paste from an already printed white dwarf article?

60 pages of rules in the first book where we have power armored factions again

Also, good to see new rules content for Codex: Space Marines. That faction was really forgotten and languishing, I'm glad they get another half-dozen warlord traits, relics and stratagems to use, they didn't have enough.

**Spoletta**

So going by the preview...

New legion traits confirmed?

Edit: Hmm, reading it better is says "Legion specific rules". It could mean everything.

**Not Online!!!**

the_scotsman wrote:
Eldar PA book had what, 20 pages of rules total? Most of which were a full copy-paste from an already printed white dwarf article?

60 pages of rules in the first book where we have power armored factions again

And the spikey ones didn't even get a fix to the most basic issue , again, 3 books in a row now

"Bitterness only makes me dig faster" Some iron warrior somewhere digging a trench probably.

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Spoletta wrote:
So going by the preview...

New legion traits confirmed?

Nope, except they would put them directly in the chapter start for each of the legions?
Might happen?

**Kanluwen**

The "Masters of the Chapter" nonsense seems more in line with Successor Chapters anyways, so bully for them in not wasting space in my main codex for it!

Shame that BTs get Crusader Squads and nobody else got a 'signature' unit though. Would have been cool to get 'Firedrake' Aggressors or Mor Deythan Eliminators.

**Nah Man Pichu**

Not Online!!! wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Eldar PA book had what, 20 pages of rules total? Most of which were a full copy-paste from an already printed white dwarf article?

60 pages of rules in the first book where we have power armored factions again

And the spikey ones didn't even get a fix to the most basic issue , again, 3 books in a row now

"Bitterness only makes me dig faster" Some iron warrior somewhere digging a trench probably.

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Spoletta wrote:
So going by the preview...

New legion traits confirmed?

Nope,

Care to expand on that nope? Lol

**Latro_**

Latro_ wrote:
With the amount of legions they are touching on in this book i would not expect much. My guess is each one will get about the black legion treatment from vigilus.

e.g.
No legion trait change (forget about that)
page of strats
page of relics and / or powers
page of WL traits
page of tac obj nonsense

knew it! basic lip service job to the legions. It's sad but i'll take anything for my world eaters at this point.

**Tyranid Horde**

Hoping that's a primaris crusader squad...

**the_scotsman**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
New daemon weapons! Yippee!

That's new for 8th ed, isn't it? I don't think Daemon weapons were in the game since 5th ed?
I could be wrong though, I don't have every codex on hand.
The Zaal looks scary. You have a 1/6 chance of doing nothing, but a 5/6 chance of getting anywhere from S6-S10 (assuming the wielder is S4), depending on what you roll. Coupled with D2 and AP-5, one can do some damage...provided the owning model has plenty of attacks and a decent WS, and the target has a crappy invul that is.

Also, a melee weapon with an AP of -5.

Adorable, GW. Very cute.

**Not Online!!!**

Did, so, but i feel like so long they are not in Champions of ruin or the "chapters" for the legions then yeah, good night irene.

**Brian888**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
New daemon weapons! Yippee!

That's new for 8th ed, isn't it? I don't think Daemon weapons were in the game since 5th ed?
I could be wrong though, I don't have every codex on hand.
The Zaal looks scary. You have a 1/6 chance of doing nothing, but a 5/6 chance of getting anywhere from S6-S10 (assuming the wielder is S4), depending on what you roll. Coupled with D2 and AP-5, one can do some damage...provided the owning model has plenty of attacks and a decent WS, and the target has a crappy invul that is.

Death Hex 'em.

**Mr Morden**

Kanluwen wrote:
The "Masters of the Chapter" nonsense seems more in line with Successor Chapters anyways, so bully for them in not wasting space in my main codex for it!

Shame that BTs get Crusader Squads and nobody else got a 'signature' unit though. Would have been cool to get 'Firedrake' Aggressors or Mor Deythan Eliminators.

That would have made the supplements so much better - but we still suffer from the no rules no unit bullgak.

**Not Online!!!**

Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Eldar PA book had what, 20 pages of rules total? Most of which were a full copy-paste from an already printed white dwarf article?

60 pages of rules in the first book where we have power armored factions again

And the spikey ones didn't even get a fix to the most basic issue , again, 3 books in a row now

"Bitterness only makes me dig faster" Some iron warrior somewhere digging a trench probably.

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Spoletta wrote:
So going by the preview...

New legion traits confirmed?

Nope,

Care to expand on that nope? Lol

also french forum dude, posted by Latro_
So chances are in the realm of

Spoiler:

**Brian888**

the_scotsman wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Marshal Loss wrote:
New daemon weapons! Yippee!

That's new for 8th ed, isn't it? I don't think Daemon weapons were in the game since 5th ed?
I could be wrong though, I don't have every codex on hand.
The Zaal looks scary. You have a 1/6 chance of doing nothing, but a 5/6 chance of getting anywhere from S6-S10 (assuming the wielder is S4), depending on what you roll. Coupled with D2 and AP-5, one can do some damage...provided the owning model has plenty of attacks and a decent WS, and the target has a crappy invul that is.

Also, a melee weapon with an AP of -5.

Adorable, GW. Very cute.

Tzeentch Daemons have had that as a relic option for awhile now (Soulbane). Granted you can only give it to a crappy Herald.

**Kanluwen**

Latro_ wrote:
Latro_ wrote:
With the amount of legions they are touching on in this book i would not expect much. My guess is each one will get about the black legion treatment from vigilus.

e.g.
No legion trait change (forget about that)
page of strats
page of relics and / or powers
page of WL traits
page of tac obj nonsense

knew it! basic lip service job to the legions. It's sad but i'll take anything for my world eaters at this point.

So more or less the same rules content as the supplement books is "basic lip service job to the legions"?

Coolcoolcool.

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Mr Morden wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The "Masters of the Chapter" nonsense seems more in line with Successor Chapters anyways, so bully for them in not wasting space in my main codex for it!

Shame that BTs get Crusader Squads and nobody else got a 'signature' unit though. Would have been cool to get 'Firedrake' Aggressors or Mor Deythan Eliminators.

That would have made the supplements so much better - but we still suffer from the no rules no unit bullgak.

Unless you're Black Templars, apparently.

**Mr Morden**

Or Grey Knights with Grandmaster babycarrier.

I wondered if anyone other than Marines was going to get anything - stupid idea......