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Primephiston is significantly less attractive than his art would have us believe. Damn Imperial spin doctors.

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Isn't this what people used to tell Sisters players? Aren't they now getting an entire line revamp? Clearly it's not a waste of energy if GW are actually listening.

Don't know if that's a fair comparison given their entire line was metal.

 Togusa wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Since the non-Marines aren't really playable at the moment, might as well get as many variants of Marines out there as possible

Lots of non-marine armies are being played. GSC, Eldar Dark and Eldar Light, Orks, Imperial Guard. I'm seeing a lot of these on my local tables, but the only thing GW seems to be intent on releasing is more powered armor. Even the Sisters are in power armor. It's getting....OLD.
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are you really complaining that SISTERS OF BATTLE are getting an update!? REALLY?!

I think that GW has spent FAR too much time releasing models for Space Marines. In the last ten years Space Marines (Including Chaos) have had massive swaths o army updates, where as other armies, especially Orks and Tyranids have received nothing. Tau received at least what, three or maybe 4 models in the last 6 years? Tyranids? I think 2013 for them?

I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits. Whereas Blood Angles, yet another army of space marines are getting a brand new character model and access to tons of new Primaris equipment, alongside new stratagems and warlord traits.

We say it because constantly talking about it is the only way to get awareness out there in the community.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Since the non-Marines aren't really playable at the moment, might as well get as many variants of Marines out there as possible

Lots of non-marine armies are being played. GSC, Eldar Dark and Eldar Light, Orks, Imperial Guard. I'm seeing a lot of these on my local tables, but the only thing GW seems to be intent on releasing is more powered armor. Even the Sisters are in power armor. It's getting....OLD.
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are you really complaining that SISTERS OF BATTLE are getting an update!? REALLY?!

Well, I wouldn't really call printing all the old models in plastic, with no new updates and a codex that looks DOA an update. I'm quite happy with the way they look, but it is clear to me this is a cash grab and not a serious attempt to make a viable army with lots of diverse builds.

 Togusa wrote:

I think that GW has spent FAR too much time releasing models for Space Marines. In the last ten years Space Marines (Including Chaos) have had massive swaths o army updates, where as other armies, especially Orks and Tyranids have received nothing. Tau received at least what, three or maybe 4 models in the last 6 years? Tyranids? I think 2013 for them?

I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits. Whereas Blood Angles, yet another army of space marines are getting a brand new character model and access to tons of new Primaris equipment, alongside new stratagems and warlord traits.

We say it because constantly talking about it is the only way to get awareness out there in the community.

People are aware, they just obviously don’t care. If Space Marines didn’t sell well they wouldn’t release so many of them.

Its a pretty amazing model- really impressive how they captured that original artwork. The quality of that as a single sprue character model is brilliant.

Looking froward to see them apply the same approach whenever they get round to doing something for Nids.

 ImAGeek wrote:

I think that GW has spent FAR too much time releasing models for Space Marines. In the last ten years Space Marines (Including Chaos) have had massive swaths o army updates, where as other armies, especially Orks and Tyranids have received nothing. Tau received at least what, three or maybe 4 models in the last 6 years? Tyranids? I think 2013 for them?

I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits. Whereas Blood Angles, yet another army of space marines are getting a brand new character model and access to tons of new Primaris equipment, alongside new stratagems and warlord traits.

We say it because constantly talking about it is the only way to get awareness out there in the community.

People are aware, they just obviously don’t care. If Space Marines didn’t sell well they wouldn’t release so many of them.

They’re a business. Everything they do is a cash grab.

 Togusa wrote:
We say it because constantly talking about it is the only way to get awareness out there in the community.

You don't have to explain or justify your opinion, you're entitled to it. The alternative is that players who aren't the beneficiaries of repeated updates leave the hobby, I know enough that have already. Some people don't care if they're only playing Marines, with Marines. That is normal to them. I think it's absurd and toxic, but as the community dwindles/changes composition so that mostly Marine fans remain - it is considered normal that only their faction should get updates and should be playable, because ultimately that's all some players care about.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
They’re a business. Everything they do is a cash grab.

And there is a very convincing argument that they could grab more cash if they spread the releases of both models and rules between factions better.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
We say it because constantly talking about it is the only way to get awareness out there in the community.

You don't have to explain or justify your opinion, you're entitled to it. The alternative is that players who aren't the beneficiaries of repeated updates leave the hobby, I know enough that have already. Some people don't care if they're only playing Marines, with Marines. That is normal to them. I think it's absurd and toxic, but as the community dwindles/changes composition so that mostly Marine fans remain - it is considered normal that only their faction should get updates and should be playable, because ultimately that's all some players care about.


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 ImAGeek wrote:
They’re a business. Everything they do is a cash grab.

And there is a very convincing argument that they could grab more cash if they spread the releases of both models and rules between factions better.

Agreed on both Points.

I want an IG Army bad. Like, really bad. But, I won't buy in because 70% of that army is old and gacky looking as heck. They could have my money, but so far, nothing of note. Even the new commissar we got was in gacky resin.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
More Space Marines!

Aren't you all so happy?! More Space Marines! /s

Since the non-Marines aren't really playable at the moment, might as well get as many variants of Marines out there as possible

Lots of non-marine armies are being played. GSC, Eldar Dark and Eldar Light, Orks, Imperial Guard. I'm seeing a lot of these on my local tables, but the only thing GW seems to be intent on releasing is more powered armor.

Even the Sisters are in power armor. It's getting....OLD. [u]
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are you really complaining that SISTERS OF BATTLE are getting an update!? REALLY?!

This is a flat out ridiculous statement. they can say whatever they want but that is some bs if they're serious.

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 Togusa wrote:


I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits.

Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

Honestly this marine release has really really brought out all the bitter xenos and csm players like nothing I have ever seen before.

The crazy thing Is that with the faster release schedule gw is punting out that most armies have never had so many releases in such a short time frame.

I think the only races to get nothing at all so far is the Tau and the Nids and technically nids got a whole new subfaction and there first allies that were updated fairly recently.

So the only people with any real issue should be the Tau players but I would guess they have enough self awareness to know they have the largest plastic xenos range at the moment I believe.

I mean the loudest complaints seem to be from the Ork players who got a release just not what they wanted, hi welcome to the world of marine players who don't give a feth about primaris.

Then there 40k's proverbial squeaky wheel the Chaos Marine players who have had a new sub faction added, were included in the new starter and that's not including update to deamons or chaos knights have had 2 codexs, 2 sub codexs and 3 supplements more models released by far barring primaris and still they piss and moan that there not as good as the edition breaking 3.5codex. Again like orks not everything released was what they wanted which was mostly to be as broken as feth like the good old days as far as I can tell.

I mean seriously the mods should seriously consider bringing back the CSM quarantine thread just add the orks to it as well this time. I mean seriously gak has got so bad me and Brian Davion agreed with each other a few times now and I consider him one of the biggest whitest knights on here and not to put words in his mouth but I suspect he considers me gw hating black knight.

Even worse I found myself defending GWs's rule writing don't get me wrong I think there barely capable of writing the rules of snap coherently but to give them there does a lot of the issues people are raising are more to do with the house rules they choose to use in running ITC but that's a different issue.




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 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
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 Togusa wrote:


I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits.

Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

Also likely to be one of the armies like GK and DG to be getting a full codex at a guess and if you don't want 6 wt then don't be a good little GW drone and buy it.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
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 Togusa wrote:


I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits.

Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

Considering gw nerfed r&h last CA via point increase on the even worse cultists, PA 1 trolling de hard, and PA 2 supposedly giving supplement equality to Chaos, i think that is actually not as unlikely as it sounds.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:


Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

I've been keeping an eye on that forum and there's nothing new of substance on PA3 yet, just people talking about Mephiston's model.

FWIW, the last Tyranid model releases were 2014. They got a new codex with 3(?) new kits in January, followed by 3 other kits & a campaign book vs Blood Angels(!) in November. Personally, while I'd love to see a plastic gargantuan creature I'd be much happier with an updated list of fluffy & effective stratagems to use.

 xttz wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:


Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

I've been keeping an eye on that forum and there's nothing new of substance on PA3 yet, just people talking about Mephiston's model.

FWIW, the last Tyranid model releases were 2014. They got a new codex with 3(?) new kits in January, followed by 3 other kits & a campaign book vs Blood Angels(!) in November. Personally, while I'd love to see a plastic gargantuan creature I'd be much happier with an updated list of fluffy & effective stratagems to use.

Hey, January 2014 is pretty close to 2013, I'll take that as a win lol. And yeah, I completely agree with you on my wishlist: if I can only get one new thing, I'd much rather it be rules. The PA books haven't been *bad* per se; definitely more disappointing in the wake of the SM supplements, but with some solid QoL improvements. So if we get that? Okay, cool. It's something. But GW has shown a lot of tendency to give Nids a whole lotta nothing, and I could see it happening again.


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I think the only races to get nothing at all so far is the Tau and the Nids and technically nids got a whole new subfaction and there first allies that were updated fairly recently.

Also likely to be one of the armies like GK and DG to be getting a full codex at a guess and if you don't want 6 wt then don't be a good little GW drone and buy it.

GSC != Nids, or a subfaction thereof. That's not an argument, no "technically" about it.

And yeah, I'm not going to buy this book if it's 6 WLTs, I'm not a moron. I'm also not optimistic about a codex, it seems those only get doled out if you're wearing power armor. Nothing to indicate to the contrary.

But really, if you don't think Nids players deserve the right to whinge, I don't know what to say. I also think that while the salt has been very salty from Xenos and CSM players lately, it's not that far off from the Marines players who complained throughout the edition up until Codex 2.0 (and whining the special snowflake chapters still do -- some of the Blood Angels salt in this thread has been pretty rich.) It's not really a Xenos or Chaos thing, it's more a Dakka thing or possibly a 40k thing (other communities don't tend to whine as much but they also tend to either be more heavily moderated or full of newer players)

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and technically nids got a whole new subfaction and there first allies that were updated fairly recently.

Does that mean as long as Imperial Guard get an update every 5 years or so, Space Marines can get nothing and you'll be happy? Because they're your allies, right?

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I mean the loudest complaints seem to be from the Ork players who got a release just not what they wanted, hi welcome to the world of marine players who don't give a feth about primaris.

Orks lost a whole swathe of character options from their codex, to be replaced with useless buggies. They got buffs, but also points increases.

Marines got points drops, new rules, and new supplements. Even without any new models, you've still received a more useful update than Tyranids, Tau, or Orks have. Guard got useful rules but are still using sculpts from the early 2000s. Eldar and Dark Eldar haven't gotten much either.

So I mean, yeah, if your complaint is that you got new rules but not models, welcome to the world of everyone who doesn't play Primaris or CSM, but at least you're getting points reductions and better rules in the bargain.

Chaos got new charachters, and a severly needed Model Update for a range nearly only compromised on legal drinking age models at the time.
Also models were never really demanded anymore (except possesed) and mostly just finally a fix to the legion traits which didn't happen.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Without the plasma pistol, you can't even tell he is a Primaris Marine.

Never fear! Even with his robes you can make out the rimmed Primaris knee-pad. He's 100% Primairs.

 Crazyterran wrote:
You are talking to a man who gets angry that people use their toys from Forge World.

Seriously?

 streetsamurai wrote:
As for Mephiston, really cool mini. But what is he doing in the alternate pose? smelling his finger?

Wiping his lips on the back of his glove. The pose is taken straight from the original artwork, which has been posted in the thread.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:
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 Togusa wrote:


I have heard (awaiting confirmation) that the only thing Tyranids are getting in this new PA book is 6 warlord traits.

Sauce on that?? I really hope it's not the French folks who have been right every time... if that's the case, that's laughable. One of the armies in the worst place in 8th, languishing with bad, unfluffy rules for most of the history of the game, not receiving a new model since 2013. And GW wants Nids players to fork over $40 for 6 WLTs. I'm trying not to get too hysterical since it's a rumor of possibly dubious provenance. But does that sound like something that could happen? Yeah, it sure as does.

Pretty sure I read that on this forum yesterday, either that or the Reddit page. Let me go check.

So, this irks me.

Black Templars, Tyranids, Imperial Guard- factions that are in DIRE need to new models... not getting anything.

This kinda sucks.

umm Black Templars use Space Marine stuff, while they could use primarisized versions of their characters, and a upgrade kit, I'd hardly say that qualifies as "dire need"

Guard is mostly plastic and has a large number of options, ditto Tyranids. I'm sure they could get some new toys if GW was of a mind but I don't think it's exactly in dire need territory.

I mean I dunno Tyranids well eneugh to say, but... what tactical holes for guard are sitting unfilled?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Never fear! Even with his robes you can make out the rimmed Primaris knee-pad. He's 100% Primairs.

He could have a set of MkVI legs! The same effect is visible on the robed dark angels!

BrianDavion wrote:
umm Black Templars use Space Marine stuff, while they could use primarisized versions of their characters, and a upgrade kit, I'd hardly say that qualifies as "dire need"

The last Black Templar kit was made back when Hootie & The Blowfish were still a thing, I think. I know it was from like 2002 or something. I'd have been actually pleased with a new Primaris Sprue.

BrianDavion wrote:
Guard is mostly plastic and has a large number of options, ditto Tyranids. I'm sure they could get some new toys if GW was of a mind but I don't think it's exactly in dire need territory.

Yeah, with our... two variations of guardsmen. Oh, wait, three if you count DKoK (that doesn't even have Reg. Doctrines).

BrianDavion wrote:
I mean I dunno Tyranids well eneugh to say, but... what tactical holes for guard are sitting unfilled?

Tyranids just need some newer models, TBH. Some things here and there, maybe some little fun alternative heads or what-have-you. I haven't put together any of their kits, or even seen a sprue... but I know it's been a while since they've gotten anything, unless you count GSC (which, IMHO, are some badass kits that every Necromunda player should be buying).

The last Black Templar kit was made back when Hootie & The Blowfish were still a thing, I think. I know it was from like 2002 or something. I'd have been actually pleased with a new Primaris Sprue.

the last black tempalr kit was the primaris phobos release. Yes I think it's annoying they didn't get a char resculpt or upgrade sprue but Black Templars are hardly hurting for new stuff.

Yeah, with our... two variations of guardsmen. Oh, wait, three if you count DKoK (that doesn't even have Reg. Doctrines).

How many other armies have two seperate model lines for their base troops?

Tyranids just need some newer models, TBH. Some things here and there, maybe some little fun alternative heads or what-have-you. I haven't put together any of their kits, or even seen a sprue... but I know it's been a while since they've gotten anything

the entire tyranid line, except for 2 things is all plastic, and most have aged reasonably well IMHO. new stuff would be nice yes, but they're not exactly in "dire need" (Dire need would be eldar aspect warriors)

Leaks of the data sheets for Mephiston, Astorath and Lemartes:

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/kH83NSj


What was expected for the two chaplains, but very disappointed in the changes for Mephiston; he really only got the bare minimum of the Primaris upgrade.

One detail of note is that the Red Thirst and Black Rage rules are no longer listed, but instead the Angels of Death rule is. I'm guessing Black Rage will be dependent on the Death Company keyword now, and perhaps the BA chapter tactic had been reworked somewhat.

BrianDavion wrote:

Tyranids just need some newer models, TBH. Some things here and there, maybe some little fun alternative heads or what-have-you. I haven't put together any of their kits, or even seen a sprue... but I know it's been a while since they've gotten anything

the entire tyranid line, except for 2 things is all plastic, and most have aged reasonably well IMHO. new stuff would be nice yes, but they're not exactly in "dire need" (Dire need would be eldar aspect warriors)

Slight correction. 3 units, 2 characters, all seperate kits/sculpts. Biovore, Pyrovore, Lictor, Deathleaper, and the Red Terror. Are they bad looking? Not entirely. Red is the oldest and least 'alpha' beast looking of his species. Do they look bad compared to Eldar Aspect warriors? Lol, nothing looks as bad compared to them.

As for the kits, I just really want them to redo the Termagant and Horm kits because of those terrible split-in-half heads you have to put together and fill, and the poor posing on the Horms. Even if it was just an extra sprue of none 2-piece heads sold seperately I wouldn't even be as frustrated with the kits.

At any rate, looking at Meph, he looks cool. Real good standard for plastic sculpts for new characters there.

Very interesting leaks from those datacards. I'm assuming Red Thirst has been reworked to be a Chapter Tactic, perhaps to allow for Flesh Tearers to have their own CT?
Mephiston has the extra wound and attack, but his power level has remained the same. Maybe this will hold true to his points?
Psychic powers are taken from the Codex, so we're not getting anything new from PA:3, which is fine.
Litanies confirmed at long last! Sanguinius smiles!
Overall, I'd say Blood Angels are getting a few tricks that Vanilla got with with their new codex, and that works for me