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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
How come the Flesh Tearers just get a better rule than the Blood Angels? Am I missing something or are they just better now?
Otherwise I’m pretty happy with all the stuff shown. Im not entirely sure about their Invocation of Destruction, I feel like I’d rather the re-roll hits and stuff more, but it could be pretty cool to make reivers a little more stabby.

The Flesh Tearers rule replaces Red Thirst. So they dont get the +1 to wound. So the Flesh Tearers are actually worse.

They get the +1 to wound if they charge, get charged / heroically Intervenes along with the -1 Ap on 6s to wound on top of that

Thank you, that has now been pointed out 3 times, and I have already made comments correcting my mistake.

I wonder if BA will get veteran intercessors as well? Veteran Death Company Intercessors? Hmm... my iron hands which have been sitting in a box since the supplement might get a splash of red. Plus I'll get to dig my old metal Gabey Seth out!

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I hope they actually address and focus on the Black Rage making a return... saying it was eliminated was a big thing to do fluff wise I hope they make a storyline out of it instead of just retconning as they sometime do.

there's some oblique reference to it in the latest(?) Warhammer conquest text, I'll see if I can find it and take a photo of the page



so those tricksy Alpha Legion folk have a plan it looks like, I blame Alpharius it's all his fault

They are increasing the amount of dice Death Company are capable of rolling yet again?! The amount of dice to be rolled keeps increasing, while my hands are not growing any larger.

Is that book also going to be released along with the new GW Blood Angels 5 gallon dice bucket? Absolute madness. I am going to have to start bringing pizza boxes as dice trays to games along with my Blood Angels dice bucket.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I hope they actually address and focus on the Black Rage making a return... saying it was eliminated was a big thing to do fluff wise I hope they make a storyline out of it instead of just retconning as they sometime do.

there's some oblique reference to it in the latest(?) Warhammer conquest text, I'll see if I can find it and take a photo of the page



so those tricksy Alpha Legion folk have a plan it looks like, I blame Alpharius it's all his fault

Ok awesome, they are weaving it in... Thanks so much for sharing that Orlando much appreciated . I wonder if they are going to turn it into something a little more like a temporary berserker range as opposed to a permanent delusional and hallucinatory mental break...

Arson Fire wrote:

That thing in the background looks like a gigantic thrope or ravener with gun arms. Nothing like that currently exists. Possibly a new nid superheavy?

Look to me like an artist interpretation of a Harridan with guns on arms instead of it's wing.

It makes you wonder if a Swarmlord is giving a similar speech to that of Mephiston's...

"Nom! Nom-nom-nom-NOM! Nom-NOM! NOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM!"

...which is something along the lines of Hedley Lamarr's speech from Blazing Saddles.

StarHunter25 wrote:
I wonder if BA will get veteran intercessors as well? Veteran Death Company Intercessors? Hmm... my iron hands which have been sitting in a box since the supplement might get a splash of red. Plus I'll get to dig my old metal Gabey Seth out!

proably not, death company intercessors will be the BA vetern intercessors equivilant I bet

So does this stuff make BAngels affective again? Seems like even Intercessors become melee beasts now in assault doctrine.

 Carnikang wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:

That thing in the background looks like a gigantic thrope or ravener with gun arms. Nothing like that currently exists. Possibly a new nid superheavy?

Look to me like an artist interpretation of a Harridan with guns on arms instead of it's wing.

Possible. Although I'm a bit hesitant to write off stuff like this in modern GW artwork as 'artistic impressions'.
A bunch of us thought the achilles ridgerunner was an artistic take on a goliath truck when it was first teased in a video just like this one.

Arson Fire wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:

That thing in the background looks like a gigantic thrope or ravener with gun arms. Nothing like that currently exists. Possibly a new nid superheavy?

Look to me like an artist interpretation of a Harridan with guns on arms instead of it's wing.

Possible. Although I'm a bit hesitant to write off stuff like this in modern GW artwork as 'artistic impressions'.
A bunch of us thought the achilles ridgerunner was an artistic take on a goliath truck when it was first teased in a video just like this one.

However we know there’s no new Nid models with the book, and it would probably be the ideal time if it was something new.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I hope they actually address and focus on the Black Rage making a return... saying it was eliminated was a big thing to do fluff wise I hope they make a storyline out of it instead of just retconning as they sometime do.

there's some oblique reference to it in the latest(?) Warhammer conquest text, I'll see if I can find it and take a photo of the page



so those tricksy Alpha Legion folk have a plan it looks like, I blame Alpharius it's all his fault

That text is word-for-word just a reprint from the 2017 Blood Angels Codex (page 25 or thereabout)
https://i.imgur.com/at8peqh.png

"As well as being noble, the Blood Angels are compliant with the Codex Astartes and have now been brought in line with their fellow Space Marines battle-brothers."

Does this mean BA Librarians get access to the Librarius Discipline?

double post

Arson Fire wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:

That thing in the background looks like a gigantic thrope or ravener with gun arms. Nothing like that currently exists. Possibly a new nid superheavy?

Look to me like an artist interpretation of a Harridan with guns on arms instead of it's wing.

Possible. Although I'm a bit hesitant to write off stuff like this in modern GW artwork as 'artistic impressions'.
A bunch of us thought the achilles ridgerunner was an artistic take on a goliath truck when it was first teased in a video just like this one.

I think that had more to do with the art style it was presented in for the GSC release. if it is new, cool, it'll join all the other big guys in art that are not present on the table top.
If it is an actual Harridan though..... It's be the size of a plastic thunderhawk d:

That image of the Storm Raven & big flying beastie is from Shield of Baal: Exterminatus, so it's about five years old now.

You know; the last time we got a Blood Angels vs. Tyranids campaign supplement.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
That image of the Storm Raven & big flying beastie is from Shield of Baal: Exterminatus, so it's about five years old now.

You know; the last time we got a Blood Angels vs. Tyranids campaign supplement.

Never bothered with it, so I never saw it. Even so, seeing the full page of art though, it much nicer to look at as a still. Also shows off the big beasts wings.

Ah well.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
That image of the Storm Raven & big flying beastie is from Shield of Baal: Exterminatus, so it's about five years old now.

You know; the last time we got a Blood Angels vs. Tyranids campaign supplement.

Fantastic story and art and loads of stuff about things OTHER than the Blood Angels - but of course only really Rules for the Blood Angels. Sounds familiar.

I really doubt Death Company Intercessors will be a pregame strat. It differentiation wouldn't be necessary in the Rapid Fire Stratagem if they were.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
That image of the Storm Raven & big flying beastie is from Shield of Baal: Exterminatus, so it's about five years old now.

You know; the last time we got a Blood Angels vs. Tyranids campaign supplement.

Fantastic story and art and loads of stuff about things OTHER than the Blood Angels - but of course only really Rules for the Blood Angels. Sounds familiar.

Well it would be, it was the Blood Angels half of the Shield of Baal campaign. Leviathan only had rules for Nids, including their new units like the Maleceptor and Sporocyst. Sure, the rules were largely aweful (same could have been said for the Blood Angels who spent all of 7th as a bottom tier army right next to the Nids) but it most certainly wasn't light on content for them.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I really doubt Death Company Intercessors will be a pregame strat. It differentiation wouldn't be necessary in the Rapid Fire Stratagem if they were.

Wouldn't be the first pregame strat that changes a units keywords though, which would make the call out necessary.

Since Reivers are not assault units but black ops squads, it makes sense that you would want marines affected by black rage to be as distant from them as possible.

So i guess that indeed the only choice is to put them in Intercessor squads.

Spoletta wrote:
Since Reivers are not assault units but black ops squads, it makes sense that you would want marines affected by black rage to be as distant from them as possible.

Alternately, they're terror troops, in which case you _do_ want them affected by the black rage and dismembering people with their bare hands as much as possible. Or alternately with decent weapons, but that ship has sailed.

Granted death company with bolt guns has been an option for a long time, but DC Intercessors is still a wacky concept.
But Primaris getting the black rage after all would have been better served with a Primaris CC kit (with jump packs), not just pasting over the rules/model gap with a random stratagem in a throw-away supplement.

The first Primaris to fall to a gene-flaw should have been a momentous occasion, not just a coat of black paint and applying a rules tag with a Command Point.

I'm expecting the vetern intercessors and primaris death company to be a "temporary" thing.and GW to eventually (like sometime in 5 years or more) put out primaris veteran kits, but until that happens they've gotta give us options.

Hmmm. My unpainted Intercessors, Reivers and Scouts might have finally found a Chapter worth joining...

This could be the beginnings of a fun themed army.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
So Primaris have a Melee Squad, but rather than putting crazy Primaris into a Melee Squad, they put them into a Ranged Squad?

Yeah, not only Reivers were ignored, the primaris DC got bonus to stand-still-and-shoot gun, funnily enough. If the bonus was to assault rifles instead, which would make far more sense btw, the bonus could have applied to both Intercessor and Reiver carbines. These rules smack of laziness and lack of thought...

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Similar to how UM, IF, White Scars, etc.. tactics all got expanded.

Nitpick - UM were not, sadly. They even kept -1, because IG is better drilled and can retreat in better order than SM, eh?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So does this stuff make BAngels affective again? Seems like even Intercessors become melee beasts now in assault doctrine.

Turn 3 to come online is to late in 40k. Your mopping up or getting mopped up at that point.

 Ordana wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So does this stuff make BAngels affective again? Seems like even Intercessors become melee beasts now in assault doctrine.

Turn 3 to come online is to late in 40k. Your mopping up or getting mopped up at that point.

Normally I agree, but it isn't like they get NOTHING in the first 2 turns. They'll still have the Dev & Tac doctrines to give additional -1 to AP on various weapons. And they'll probably get a strat to "skip" to the Assault Doctrine* on turn 2
BAs have always been designed to be built around melee, so they'll never be the best Marine chapter but getting Combat Doctrines put them on par with other non-top tier Chapters (which is still mid to high-mid tier)

*I forget, did White Scars and Black Templar get a similar strat?

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 Galef wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So does this stuff make BAngels affective again? Seems like even Intercessors become melee beasts now in assault doctrine.

Turn 3 to come online is to late in 40k. Your mopping up or getting mopped up at that point.

Normally I agree, but it isn't like they get NOTHING in the first 2 turns. They'll still have the Dev & Tac doctrines to give additional -1 to AP on various weapons. And they'll probably get a strat to "skip" to the Assault Doctrine* on turn 2
BAs have always been designed to be built around melee, so they'll never be the best Marine chapter but getting Combat Doctrines put them on par with other non-top tier Chapters (which is still mid to high-mid tier)

*I forget, did White Scars and Black Templar get a similar strat?

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As a curious party, should we take this shift to mean the other "non-compliant" chapters (DA, SW) will be getting access to Doctrines as we know them? This seems to put the kebash to the theory they'd get their own version.

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:

Spoiler:

 Galef wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
So does this stuff make BAngels affective again? Seems like even Intercessors become melee beasts now in assault doctrine.

Turn 3 to come online is to late in 40k. Your mopping up or getting mopped up at that point.

Normally I agree, but it isn't like they get NOTHING in the first 2 turns. They'll still have the Dev & Tac doctrines to give additional -1 to AP on various weapons. And they'll probably get a strat to "skip" to the Assault Doctrine* on turn 2
BAs have always been designed to be built around melee, so they'll never be the best Marine chapter but getting Combat Doctrines put them on par with other non-top tier Chapters (which is still mid to high-mid tier)

*I forget, did White Scars and Black Templar get a similar strat?

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As a curious party, should we take this shift to mean the other "non-compliant" chapters (DA, SW) will be getting access to Doctrines as we know them? This seems to put the kebash to the theory they'd get their own version.

What I find interesting is that the WC article previewing this mentions BAs as a "compliant" chapters. Which makes me think DAs will most certainly get Combat Doctrines + Special Doctrine of their own. Because when you take out DeathWing and RavenWing, DAs are about as codex compliant as you can get. Far more compliant than BAs

I'd guess SWs will eventually get an equivalent, but it might not be the same as Combat Doctrine. More like, Pack Hunting Rituals or something with "wolf" in the title

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