Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**Grimgold**

Smaug wrote:

Didn’t GW report in a twitch stream that all of the Psychic Awakening takes place during the Indomitus Crusade? If they were telling the truth then this is charter 2 with the 13th Black Crusade/ end of 7th edition being the first and the Dark Imperium/ beginning of 8th edition the third. So it looks like this series is more like the Horus Heresy, we know the ending we’re just getting the middles filled in.

Not so far as I'm aware, Lazarus came about after the indomitus ended, because Balthazar died in the period of the indomintus campaign (though he is not explicitly said to be part of it). Another big hint is that this is happening after the events covered in the DA codex, which was a hundred+ years after the crusade.

**tneva82**

The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

**BoomWolf**

tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

**abyrn**

BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

It's also unclear if Harlequin's have gotten their content yet... I don't think they are mentioned at all in the actual Phoenix Rising book but they appeared in one of the short stories leading up to it and the named Shadowseer was in a couple of the teaser trailers.

*edit: just realized harlequins were already mentioned above...

**bullyboy**

Disappointed that the next book won't be out in time for the LVO deadline, probably by just 1 week. Would have been nice to see if DA and GK had enough going for them to reward their inclusion in the event.

**Mr Morden**

BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

**PiñaColada**

I'd assume we're getting two more after Saga of the Beast (PA6), that one should drop in march so another two would be april & may. Give it a month or so breathing room and we're in July for 9th.

It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out in the end but I'm thinking at least one of the remaining PAs will be a bigger release, with a boxset tie in. I'm sort of assuming it's PA6 since we've had a few very orky looking rumour engines (plus the mystery of the KFF big mek). That'd make sense as well considering I doubt they'd release a boxset too close upon the release of 9th and its inevitable boxset.

**MiguelFelstone**

bullyboy wrote:
Disappointed that the next book won't be out in time for the LVO deadline, probably by just 1 week. Would have been nice to see if DA and GK had enough going for them to reward their inclusion in the event.

Don't worry there's plenty of time to be disappointed when the new rules actually hit, see Tyranids.

**NinthMusketeer**

Arbitrator wrote:
Edit: Replied before I saw the mod post.

I think at the end of the day, PA was just NuGW doing their usual thing of hyping things up immensely and then the majority of people were let down when it wasn't a bang, but a whimper. The PA 'campaign' was built up as the biggest thing since sliced bre- uhh, the 13th Black Crusade, but then their marketing changed tact when it became apparent it wouldn't be, and is now just "Wow if you're a loyalist Marine player these are like the bestist books ever for rules, wow!" with narry a mention of lore save the trailers.

NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like writing the story of my army, which is why I like a progressing storyline that they can also progress in. If the setting remains static, so does the story of my army. With events happening I can write my army into the fluff in how it reacts and deals with those events, getting to be a part of them rather than needing to shoehorn them into the defense of Cadia (that will always be stuck on its last stand regardless of what my army does) or have progression limited to XYZ homebrew system that can't have any greater affect on the galaxy at large.

Also, the AoS global campaigns were not ret-conned or ignored and actually did impact the setting in a significant way. There are even rules for sub-factions that only exist because they were successfully defended during a world campaign.

You mean the campaign where a faction could gain points by buying models, back when 90% of releases were Sigmarines and 10% Sylvaneth? When WHFB players were still largely angry and not playing it, so the new blood was all playing Order? There was no way that Order weren't going to win and GW knew it.

I'll grant you that Malign Portents was decent though, but very much being choose-your-own-adventure and the Necroquake occuring at the end anyway, the end was always written.

The one which had two Destruction battletomes released during it and one of the cities survived by only a few percentage points, where the degree of Order victory was written into subsequent fluff beyond just that they won. Yeah, that campaign.

**cole1114**

Grimgold wrote:
Smaug wrote:

Didn’t GW report in a twitch stream that all of the Psychic Awakening takes place during the Indomitus Crusade? If they were telling the truth then this is charter 2 with the 13th Black Crusade/ end of 7th edition being the first and the Dark Imperium/ beginning of 8th edition the third. So it looks like this series is more like the Horus Heresy, we know the ending we’re just getting the middles filled in.

Not so far as I'm aware, Lazarus came about after the indomitus ended, because Balthazar died in the period of the indomintus campaign (though he is not explicitly said to be part of it). Another big hint is that this is happening after the events covered in the DA codex, which was a hundred+ years after the crusade.

GW has explicitly said these take place during the indomitus crusade.

**Justyn**

GW has explicitly said these take place during the indomitus crusade.

I guess I will stop looking to see if anything new happens then.

**BrianDavion**

keep in mind the Indomatus crusade is, kinda sortta still ongoing. the entire post GS era is refered to as the "era indomatus" so that doesn't mean much, also we don't know many details of the indomatus crusade, there's a LOT of room for stuff to happen. we know for a FACT the crusade suffered losses and defeats

**Voss**

The Indomitus Crusade came to end back in Dark Imperium.
Guilliman held a triumph and declared it over. Officially and everything, dispersing the various armies and chapters to new assignments (though some he took with him to Ultramar to fight Typhus and Morty)
It's one of the first things that happens in that book.

Devastation of Baal happened after that and Blood of Baal happened after DoB.

Unless there are already major retcons going on, PA as a whole is post crusade... but someone's going to have to source it better than 'maybe someone working for GW might have said something in a twitch stream.' Do none of the PA books have dates?

**GoatboyBeta**

Devastation of Baal happened before and(thanks to the time distortion) during the crusade.

**Lord Damocles**

Voss wrote:
Do none of the PA books have dates?

Ha ha ha ha!

What, you're serious?

**BrianDavion**

Also keep in mind that the indomatus crusade wasn't just one big fleet. accompanying Gulliman, rather it was ten individual large fleets made up of multiple battlegroups.each with their own process of seeing to their own logistics etc. that combined with the nature of warp travel, communications issues etc means something like the indomatus crusade doesn't just stop when called to, I'd argue stopping all crusade elements is, proably impossiable, and Gulliman admits that his "crusade end" was more so the IoM can point to a event and say "it ended victoriously here yay" in the history books.

**tneva82**

Mr Morden wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

**Mr Morden**

tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

I think its an accurate description. We have so far had, know about:

Full Supplements for Blood Angels and Black Templars, new Mephiston model, Dark Angel supplement coming, 10 pages of extra rules, strats and relics for generic Marines, Grey Knights getting bits and pieces.

New rules, strats, relics for Chaos Marines - oh and name pages! Chaos Marine Sorcerer, Thousand Sons getting new options for Sorcerers.

Other than Marines we have:
Craftworld Eldar - rules updates for Banshees and 1 Phoenix Lord, new models for same,Craftworld Craits.
Dark Eldar: rules update for Drazar and Incubi, new models for same, bad traits for Kabals etc
Tyranids got new relics, strats Hive fleet options

Anyone else get anything yet?

GW can just give a page of names and claim that faction got "something", or even just point to the narrative/secnario elements and still live up to the letter of their statement that everyone will get something

**xttz**

tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

Indeed. I still have several different army lists written up for Tyranid units that now look playable thanks to PA3. Soooo many more options to choose from!

abyrn wrote:

It's also unclear if Harlequin's have gotten their content yet... I don't think they are mentioned at all in the actual Phoenix Rising book but they appeared in one of the short stories leading up to it and the named Shadowseer was in a couple of the teaser trailers.

*edit: just realized harlequins were already mentioned above...

If I was going to bet on one Xenos faction getting a new model from PA...

Spoiler:

**BrianDavion**

tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

it's Morden, I've given up arguing with him.

**mortar_crew**

xttz wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

Indeed. I still have several different army lists written up for Tyranid units that now look playable thanks to PA3. Soooo many more options to choose from!

abyrn wrote:

It's also unclear if Harlequin's have gotten their content yet... I don't think they are mentioned at all in the actual Phoenix Rising book but they appeared in one of the short stories leading up to it and the named Shadowseer was in a couple of the teaser trailers.

*edit: just realized harlequins were already mentioned above...

If I was going to bet on one Xenos faction getting a new model from PA...

Spoiler:

Studs, boot design... Slaanesh mortal?

**Dudeface**

Mr Morden wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

I think its an accurate description. We have so far had, know about:

Full Supplements for Blood Angels and Black Templars, new Mephiston model, Dark Angel supplement coming, 10 pages of extra rules, strats and relics for generic Marines, Grey Knights getting bits and pieces.

New rules, strats, relics for Chaos Marines - oh and name pages! Chaos Marine Sorcerer, Thousand Sons getting new options for Sorcerers.

Other than Marines we have:
Craftworld Eldar - rules updates for Banshees and 1 Phoenix Lord, new models for same,Craftworld Craits.
Dark Eldar: rules update for Drazar and Incubi, new models for same, bad traits for Kabals etc
Tyranids got new relics, strats Hive fleet options

Anyone else get anything yet?

GW can just give a page of names and claim that faction got "something", or even just point to the narrative/secnario elements and still live up to the letter of their statement that everyone will get something

So your list is that basically the marine books get brought to parity and other factions are getting expanded flavourful rules, including diy factions, strats, relics warlord traits and new mechanics.

**Psychocouac**

Posted on french forum. Found on reddit.

Possibly new speeder / tank / bikes.

**Nibbler**

Link / picture seems to be broken (at least I can't see it)

**Dudeface**

Psychocouac wrote:
Posted on french forum. Found on reddit.

Possibly new speeder / tank / bikes.

I saw this on reddit earlier, I'm really not sure what to make of it. To be so pixelated that must be zoomed in to a massive degree from a bigger image, or it's fake.

If they're not fake, what are the odds they belong in a 8.5/9th ed starter?

**Morgasm the Powerfull**

Oh dear god, MORE space marines!

Geez GeeDubs give previous releases some time to simmer, miniatures ain't like movies where you spend a few hours with them and then just be done with them.

Franticly barfing out more and more leads to exhaustion of both customer and producer.

Reminds me of Konami's Month of Madness debacle.

**BrianDavion**

We'll find out in a few days. If this is something more then some guy's kitbashed impulsor or something I expect now that the image has leaked GW'll make some sort of announcement on WHC within the next 24 hours.

**BrotherGecko**

Dudeface wrote:
Psychocouac wrote:
Posted on french forum. Found on reddit.

Possibly new speeder / tank / bikes.

I saw this on reddit earlier, I'm really not sure what to make of it. To be so pixelated that must be zoomed in to a massive degree from a bigger image, or it's fake.

If they're not fake, what are the odds they belong in a 8.5/9th ed starter?

So far every image based primaris leak has been true. So doubt its fake.

Lol to space marine players who are going to have an obsolete codex rolling into the new year. Congrats to white scar primaris players, your dreams are coming true.

**BrianDavion**

keep in mind assuming that imagine is true, it could be blood angels only (I doubt it but all we know is it's in BA colours) also, we're marine players we're USED to getting new stuff outside our codex...

it's honestly not that big a deal

but yeah WHC's resp[onse time being what it is I expect if it's legit we'll know within 24 hours

**Mr Morden**

Dudeface wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
The Phazer wrote:
Some of the "sleeper" hints that people have assumed are the Emperor could be about the Lion I guess.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if PA is effectively a countdown to a Primarch coming back as the intro to 9th, just as Gathering Storm was to 8th, but it's definitely been weaker at building tension so far. Then again, if you assume that the last book would bring that to a head then you'd assume that it would be Russ with it being SW related.

Has there been confirmation 6th being last? Seems last 2 books would have to have tons of factions crammed. Dg, necron, ork, wolves, deathwatch, tau, ig, custodian, harlequin, gsc maybe. Others? 9 at least.

Admech
Daemons
Knights (and chaos) methinks

No fething way that book 6 is the last book. too many factions left.

They can cram a few pages of names for most factions quite easily. Only Marines are getting (decent) supplement level support - otherwise its pot luck.

Sorry but less hyperbole please. Don't want to appear totally ridiculous do we?

I think its an accurate description. We have so far had, know about:

Full Supplements for Blood Angels and Black Templars, new Mephiston model, Dark Angel supplement coming, 10 pages of extra rules, strats and relics for generic Marines, Grey Knights getting bits and pieces.

New rules, strats, relics for Chaos Marines - oh and name pages! Chaos Marine Sorcerer, Thousand Sons getting new options for Sorcerers.

Other than Marines we have:
Craftworld Eldar - rules updates for Banshees and 1 Phoenix Lord, new models for same,Craftworld Craits.
Dark Eldar: rules update for Drazar and Incubi, new models for same, bad traits for Kabals etc
Tyranids got new relics, strats Hive fleet options

Anyone else get anything yet?

GW can just give a page of names and claim that faction got "something", or even just point to the narrative/secnario elements and still live up to the letter of their statement that everyone will get something

So your list is that basically the marine books get brought to parity and other factions are getting expanded flavourful rules, including diy factions, strats, relics warlord traits and new mechanics.

well parity with each other I guess............ Dark eldar really did not get that - Tyranids seem to have done well. My actual point was people should not be expecting Marine tier support.

Looks like a new.....Marine...skimmer - if true something else that should have been in the actual Codex like the generic rules for Marines in PA2?